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Creating Wealth for Long Term through Equity

August 28th, 2008

by Manish Chauhan on August 28, 2008

Creating Weatlh

We are going to discuss today, how a huge wealth can be created by in vesting with discipline over long period of time . We often think that investing a small sum of money will not be able to generate huge Wealth and we need to invest huge amount of money . Its obviously true that more money will create more wealth , but we are going to see today that we underestimate small savings and how small investments over a long period of time can generate fortunes.

How much wealth you can create, if you earn around $1000 /month (Rs 40,000 per month) and can invest 10% of that amount every month for next 30-35 yrs . I am assuming you are a 25 yrs old and retiring at the age of 60 (though i want to retire at 40) . Total dependents are 3-4 . And monthly expenditure is Rs 25,000 ($600/month) .

What kind of wealth can this person create ?

Can he invest Rs 5000 ($125) in a diversified Equity Mutual fund per month till his retirement. I hope the answer can be YES

As we said that he is investing in Equities , What kind of return should we expect ? 5% , 20% or 50% , but Wait … Equities are risky , it can be negative also !!! . that’s very true … but People may not know that Equities are extremely risky in short term, but its almost not at all risky in long term , and if the long term = 35 yrs , then forget it , you can get some great returns. Risk in Equities are inversely proportional to the investment tenure. Well that’s a different topic to talk about (And i will post an article on that soon , keeping an eye !!!) . Just for the data , Indian Stock markets have given return of 17%+ CAGR return in 28 years , from 1979 (inception) to 2007 . We are talking about Sensex.

So, to be safe we can easily consider 15% CAGR return in Long term (remember LONG TERM).

Coming to the point , It may happen that during initial years ,our investor may face difficulty investing this much money considering , he may have other important things to take of and later he may have more responsibilities. But during is career life , his salary will also rise and then 5000 will be a small percentage of his salary . So assuming he can do the investment we are proposing , what kind of retirement corpus he can build? Guesses ?

I am sure most of the people will be thinking the following way:

He invested 5000 * 12 in a year , which is 60,000 , and then he does it for 35 yrs , so he invests total of 60,000 * 35 = Rs 21,00,00 0 (21 lacs) . And he will get some return of 15% every year. if we take 15% of this 21 lacs , it will be around 3,00,00 , so total corpus = 24,000 and also as this is compounded , his interest will also keep growing at 15% , so it will be more than 24,00,000 , so lets take it 50,00,000 . Fine …

Ok , let take 70,00,000 (70 lacs) to be safe. This is a calculation done not exactly by the proper annuity formula, but a workaround , which a general person can think of.

How much does he generate with this strategy

You can also look at my another article on Early investing and power of Compounding to get an idea about early investing and how compounding is a great tool. But keep going ahead if you are enjoying this article.

So the question is What will be his corpus , can it be anywhere near to 70,00,000 . The answer is that his actual Wealth will be way beyond this amount. After doing the actual calculation i can see that it will come around 7.43 Crores (Rs 74 million) . But how is it possible , such a big amount !!! . That’s because of compounding power . The interest earns interest and that again earns interest and this keeps on going. Initially the interest earned is very small , but as the time passes , the amount keeps growing and the interest also grows at an unbelievable amount. Can you believe that this investor will earn more than 1.04 Crores only in interest in his 35th year (last year) , more than 4 times the money he actually invested whole his life. That’s all possible because of systematic and consistent investing with out fail and because of Power of compounding.

Thats the reason why one of the greatest Scientist Albert Einstein said “Compound interest is the 8th wonder of the World”.

So it that all we are going to talk about today , NO !!! We have more to talk on this topic .

Why does this investor takes pain of investing that 5,000/month all this life. What if he invests just 10 yrs and leaves that money to grow for another 25 yrs. What if this is his plan till retirement.

The sudden thing which will come to your mind is that he invests for 35 yrs and created wealth of 7.43 crores , What if he just invests for 10 yrs .. it should be 10/35 * 7.43 crores = 2.12 Crores . Is that true ?

Will it actually be 2.12 Crores only. The answer is NO !!! . Then the question is how significantly different will his Wealth be in this case. The Answer is 5.88 Crores. Yes it will not be significantly less but just 21% less . So Just by not investing for 71% tenure he actually gets 21% less money , thats not a bad deal !!!

But wait , What if he wants that same 7.43 crores at the end , and still wants to invest for 10 yrs. the obvious way out is to invest more than his regular 5,000 per month . The question now is HOW MUCH MORE !!!

The answer is Rs 1420 more . Instead of 5,000 , he should invest Rs 6,420 per month for 10 yrs and then leave the money to grow for rest of 25 yrs. And he can generate wealth of Rs 7.43 Crores.

What we can learn from this

So there is a learning here and a very important thing to note , that more pain we take in the start , the better it is . In the initial years of career , its possible for people to invest more , as they have less responsibilities to handle and less dependents. So it may be feasible for them to invest heavily in the initial phase of there career, which will benefit them for long term . Now see this person . Instead of investing 5,000 for whole of 35 yrs , If he chooses to take a little more pain in the initial 10 yrs and manages to invest Rs 1,420 more per month , then he can save investing for 25 yrs of his life and still can generate same Money.

One great question now !!!

What if our investor is ready to invest his 50% salary (20,000) per month for starting 2 yrs and then let it grow for rest 33 yrs. He is ready to heavily invest first 2 yrs of his career and do some sacrifices like not spending too much , no vacation , no fancy spending and all.

Can he still beat the target !!

Will he be able to generate the same Wealth for himself like in earlier examples !!

So here you go !!! , He will not only achieve the target , but exceed it . His Wealth will be 9.24 Crores (Rs. 92.4 million) at the end of 35 yrs. I know that’s an Eye-opener . So now you know that the best time to invest was 5, 10 or 20 yrs ago , but if you missed it , don’t worry :) . there is another golden chance and that’s NOW !!! .

please let me know what you feel about this article , that helps me to refine and write better articles .Thanks , Happy Investing

Note: The formula used for calculation is called Annuity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annuity_(finance_theory) See formula under “Annuity Due” on this wiki page

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1 Anonymous December 26, 2008 at 1:03 am

Hi Manish,

Its really an eye opener for me on how small and regular investments can create such a huge fortune !!!

All through your posts you have mentioned, investing in equities(MF) a better option. Can u please list which category of MF’s you are referring to. Tax saving schemes are not a good option,cosidering the lock in of 3-yrs :-( . But how to generate a fortune?

Appreciate if you could clarify by a case study aproach.

Thanks a Lot!

Jagadish

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2 Manish Chauhan December 26, 2008 at 5:34 am

@Anonymous …

MF i am reffering to are Equity Diversified Mutual funds , ELSS (tax saving funds) also come in that category .

What person thinks as bad sometimes is a very good thing . Why do you think that 3 years lock in period is bad . Just because it will lock your money and incase you need it , you will not be able to take it out ?

Though its a valid reason ,but not a big one ..

Some things to remember :

1. You tax savings should be linked to your long term goals … 3 yrs is the minimum your mney will be locked in any tax saving product .

2. Choose a good mutual funds not on the basis of 1-2 yrs returns (short term return) , but atleast 5 yrs returns or Since Inception returns .. because you want to judge them on long term performance .

As a case study ..

If a 25 yrs old invest 5k per month with discipline in MF with SIP for 30 yrs regularly without thinking about short term fluctuations in Stock markets , His corpus will be around 3.5 Crores assuming return of 15% CAGR (Indian markets returned 17% in last 29 years .

Apply

1. Asset Allocation
2. Portfolio rebalancing between Equity and Debt when it gets disbalanced
3. Discipline in Investing

When you apply all these things , then you dont have to think much over long term … infact not at all … You are bound to succeed .

What eles do you want to know ? Did my explanation Help ?

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3 Anonymous December 26, 2008 at 5:38 am

Thanks Manish! :-)

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4 Anonymous December 28, 2008 at 1:23 am

Hi Manish,

I am new to investing. After reading all your posts, all i could say about you is AWESOME!!

Thats a gr8 work dude…

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5 Manish Chauhan December 28, 2008 at 2:59 am

@Anonymous

Thanks for your comments …

Manish

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6 Anu March 11, 2009 at 7:28 am

I wish i had read ur comments earlier. However, I can always start. but manish would u be able to tell me if i want to generate 7 crores in 15 yrs how much should i invest and if possible which kind of funds.

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7 Manish Chauhan March 11, 2009 at 7:57 am

Anu

You are trying to acheive a very tough target . 7 crores in 15 years will require a lot of monthly contribution . The best thing i can think of is SIP in Mutual funds , assuming you are not into stocks full time and are doing another job .

For 15 yrs , you can expect a return of 15% . With that much return you would require monthly contribution of Rs 1.2 lacs for next 15 yrs .

is that your retirement Corpus ? What is your age ? Cant you target 7 crore in next 30 yrs , considering you are below 30 .

If you increare you time horizon to 30 yrs, then you can expect a more higher return like 18-19% . and then you will only be required to invest around 7k per month .

Here is a SIP calculator , do the maths and see the results .

http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~chetan/cgi-bin/sip.html

Note : until you are full time and dedicated to Investing in Equity , you should not expect more returns that what i discussed above .

Successful Traders can generate around 30-40 returns per year CAGR . So if you become a successful trader who can generate that much return per year , then starting with 10 lacs , you can grow it to 7 crores in 15 yrs . But remember that trading is not childs play , 97-98% people who trade loose money . Its not an easy thing .

Anyone who want to become a serious trader has to learn it for atleast 2-3 yrs and still there is no guarantee of becoming successful .

I hope you got your answer .

Manish

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8 Anu March 12, 2009 at 2:37 am

Thanks a lot for your guidance and comments. Write now i am 30… was thinking to retire at 45. anyways i guess i have to work till 60. haha. Thanks for the link i will do some home work. I am not yet confident in trading so i will leave it.

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9 Manish Chauhan March 12, 2009 at 3:11 am

If you had to retire at 45 , you should have started working and thinking about it just after you started working at 25 (assuming) . That could have been some help .

Dont try trading unless you understand what it means and it excites you .

Manish

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10 rahul July 8, 2009 at 2:00 pm

Hey Manish,

Exceptional work, keep it up!

I am not sure about this interest thing. As far as I know, if we invest in Equity Diversified Mutual funds, over a period of time the NAV goes up or comes down based on the sensex, but where does this interest come into picture?

Please clarify.

Thanks,
Rahul

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11 Manish Chauhan July 9, 2009 at 12:20 am

@Rahul

The interest earned is the number figured out from the increase in worth not vice versa.

When i say a person will earn interest at 15% , it means he can expect his 10,000 invested becomes 11,500 . Or if his 10,000 becomes 20,000 in 4 yrs, his interest 18.92% .

So interest can only be expected in equity .Only in Debt like FD or Liquid funds we can be pretty sure about returns .

Manish

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12 RD September 27, 2009 at 9:35 am

lovely….specially the last part of saving 20K for 2 years. really nice. Excellent

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13 Manish Chauhan September 27, 2009 at 4:03 pm

@RD

yeah .. early investing is the key :) .. One who starts early has to do the least :)

Manish

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14 Deep Sukhwani October 7, 2009 at 8:54 am

Man!!!!!!!…

You know what??

I am your fan!

I am following your blog, right from having read this post!

YOu are SERIOUSLY AN EYE OPENER to me in the world of finance and investing..

Thanks!
Deep S

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15 Manish Chauhan October 7, 2009 at 9:45 am

@Deep

Nice to hear from you .. I am glad that you are liking the article .. Seems like you are a new to Jagoinvestor Family .

Welcome on board :)

Manish

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16 Gaurav January 6, 2010 at 1:10 pm

But there is high risk in this

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17 manish January 7, 2010 at 2:27 am

Why ? Reason ?

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18 Gaurav January 6, 2010 at 1:11 pm

If still want to go go for lic least chances of least losses

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19 manish January 7, 2010 at 2:28 am

“least chances of least losses”

That actually means “chances of high losses” . How do you prove your argument ?

Manish

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20 Prashant January 8, 2010 at 5:48 pm

Hi Manish,
Could you pls tell me how much risky do you think investing in TOP ELSS for period of 20 yrs if we take 0% for PPF?

Also I want to know my age is 27 (married) what praportion should I allocate to PPF and ELSS. I like to take risk. Appreciate your response. Thank you

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21 manish January 8, 2010 at 6:23 pm

Prashant

If we change your question to a equivalent question which is very different , you have to answer that “Where will be our economy after 20 yrs ? Will we be much ahead of what we are now ? Will Infosys , reliance , bharti airtel and other big company and other mid sized companies which are India’s furture , will they progress ? ”

The reason is that they are all where your money will be invested in ? Equity is nothing but your ownership in these companies, this country .

So now you know how much risk is there . Very very less . Go ahead :)
If you are aggressive enough , the apart from your PF (EPF) , you can invest all in Equity .

What do you think ? Do you like direct investing ? you know ETF’s ?

Manish

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22 Prashant January 8, 2010 at 7:30 pm

Hi Manish,
Thannk you for the answer. I am new to investment world, just started. I dont know which is better direct investment or through MF for a common man ( not much knowledge of stocks). could you pls share me what is ETF’s?

Anyway I recently joined your blog. And really valuable information getting about investments. I really appreciate your information. Thank you.

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23 manish January 8, 2010 at 9:04 pm

its great that you dont know much , You can start from scratch and you are previleged that your mind is fresh :) . read about ETF : http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2008/08/what-are-etfs-etfs-are-basket-of.html

Regarding stock trading , dont jump into it . believe me going slow will help .

You need a Ebook written by me to start ?

Manish

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24 Prashant January 8, 2010 at 9:23 pm

Yes,Thanks a lot. could you pls share to me your Ebook? I would really finding interesting day by day in the equity.
Thanks a lot.

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25 Purna January 21, 2010 at 1:55 am

Manish,

I have a doubt, if the below statement to become true “If a 25 yrs old invest 5k per month with discipline in MF with SIP for 30 yrs regularly without thinking about short term fluctuations in Stock markets , His corpus will be around 3.5 Crores assuming return of 15% CAGR (Indian markets returned 17% in last 29 years . ”
What are the Sensex/Nifty levels by that time? would it be in lakshs of points(since currently its in thousands). Will this really be true? I sense some where we are only looking at the numbers but not the reality. to realize this india has to be in to in 12 trillion dollar econony or more than that in next 20 years (currently it is 1 trillion dollar economy).
Excuse my ignorance if my question makes no sense, *** past history may or may not repeat**… -:)

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26 Manish Chauhan January 21, 2010 at 3:06 am

Purna

You have asked a valid question . Market performance for last 20-30 yrs will not replicate in same way for another 20-30 yrs for sure . it will be less .In my last comment , some other things were also there which I did not mention , but assumed it to be there

1. Proper asset allocation and portfolio rebalancing every year.
2. We are talking about Mutual funds here for investment and we have to keep reviewing the performance every year so discard bad funds and keep adding new funds .

The return from MF does not need to be same like index , MF makes sure they pick undervalued stocks and then keeps churning them every single time , in this process the fund might get returns but it might be the case that index does not move . So yes .. I should have originally written “mutual funds invesment” and not just “stock market investments” . Does it make sense now to some extent .

Very sharp eyes I must say .. thats good :)

Manish

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27 kavita kamat February 9, 2010 at 11:10 pm

hi manish,

after reading ur blogs about MF investments, i have started sip’s for the following mfs ie. Sundaram Smile (2000), Dsp Tiger (2000), Reliance Growth & Vision (1000 each) , HDFC 200 (2000) and Franklin Blue Chip (2000) for 3 yrs. as a housewife, can u tell me whether i have invested correctly if invested late.

kavita

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28 Manish Chauhan February 9, 2010 at 11:15 pm

Kavita

Your choices look good overall . But remember that these are equity mutual funds and you should be aware of the risks involved. Please make a mind to invest for long term in these (5-7 yrs atleast) . I am not saying that these will make losses, but there is always a chance . But over long term , they should give you good returns . also you can stop your SIP any time you want , so keep an eye on the performance over time .

Manish

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29 sandeep February 14, 2010 at 2:19 am

:) the encouraging article and confusing calculations….I’m 33 yrs now and had started investing in small amounts from 22 yrs onwards and hv some money accumulated in tune of what you are saying above “he should invest Rs 6,420 per month for 10 yrs and then leave the money to grow for rest of 25 yrs. And he can generate wealth of Rs 7.43 Crores” i.e. investment equivalent of 7-8 lks that i can leave it to grow :)

i’ve probably 27 yrs of service still left and after using calculators one of those financial websites my retiremetn corpus should be about 7 crs……so what should i do to let this money grow, i’m sure its easier said than done….i’m confused about what would i have to do with this 7 lks to make it 7 crs in next 25yrs…obviously just keeping in MF would not do or will it ?

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30 Manish Chauhan February 14, 2010 at 2:22 pm

Sandeep

Yea .. 7 lacs in 7 crores in 25 yrs will take more energy . Its close to 20% return which is very tough . You either have to be very aggresive or do some more contribution per month (this will be tough) .

Manish

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31 Harpreet February 15, 2010 at 6:46 am

Manish,

One quick question, how can we be sure of a funds/company’s credibility. I mean what if I keep investing in HDFC Top 200-G Mutual Fund for say around 20 yrs, but company gets bankrupt or something by say 15 yrs. Does my clarification holds water? Also, what do we mean by revisiting our portfolio? I mean I understand that it means to re-evaluate present situation and alter portfolio as per to that. But how this actually implies. Does this mean that if I am investing say 5000/month as SIP in Mutual funds and after 5 yrs I come to know that I need to reduce my investment in equity, I should reduce or stop investing in Mutual fund anymore. Please suggest.

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32 Manish Chauhan February 15, 2010 at 11:04 am

Harpreet

What do you mean by mutual funds bankruptcy ? Its not like that one fine day you come to know that they are bankrupt . they are not a company with product , its a services company . They take your money and invest it on your behalf and you can see how it performs each day , its not that one day all money will vanish .

So if all the money is going down drain , but it will be slowly happening , if the fund is not performing well . in which case you always have the chance of taking your money out . revisiting your portfolio means looking at it every year and making sure that it still holds water . it means stopping , increasing , adding investments

Manish

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33 Harpreet February 16, 2010 at 7:33 am

Thanks Manish. I am still figuring this all out. Didnt had anyone to clear out my doubts but you are exceptional. I am 25 and will going to step into the investment world for the first time so had to make sure I am understanding things I am stepping into. I can use your expertise to some extent. All I have for now is a PPF account (each for me and my financee) opened around a year back. I am currently in US and save around INR 1Lakh/month (Post tax and monthly expenses). To start with, I am going to have a insurance (LIC) and Equity diversified mutual fund (HDFC Top 200-G and DSPBR Equity) as my first invesment for a period of around 6-7 yrs (It can extent, depends). Another SIP for a long term perspective (retirement/children Future planning perspective). Thats all I can think of for now. I am also going to start a SIP in one of these funds for my retirement (25 more yrs to go). Money is not a concern at this point so a average risk taker. Have an objective buying a house in another 6 yrs (I know this needs some serious investment stratagey). What do you think should be the portfoli structure in this case. I know I can take some risk now before I could start shifting into more debt than equity.

TIA

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34 Manish Chauhan March 1, 2010 at 3:34 pm

Harpreet

Looks good overall

Make sure you take a term policy for insurance and not an endowment plan . take it if you have financial dependents only .

Better invest in balanced funds for house down payment :)

Manish

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35 Prithvi March 3, 2010 at 12:07 pm

Hi Man,

I am 28yrs old this year.
I had been investing on mutual funds 5k per month for last two years and had also plan to continue for until retire.
But my problem is I had been trading for last 2-3 years also. I haf made ok profit in stocks. I am confused now whether I should continue to trade or convert myself to be an investor? I can hold for long term but should I try doing both? What are your picks for trading and investing as of today?

Regards,
AP

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36 Manish Chauhan March 3, 2010 at 1:28 pm

Prithvi

I dont think you should wear both hats of investor + Trader . If you are not able to make more returns from trading than investing , then better be an investor.

Manish

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37 Prithvi March 3, 2010 at 2:46 pm

Hi Manish Bhai,

The problem is the greed in me which makes me feel more happy when I make benefits from trading since I feel progress. Being an investor, I believe it is very little progress as such since I will be tracking the market just for the news on my stocks and accumulating more when time comes. But trading makes me more active in market and feel I am doing good in markets when I make profit.

As you suggest I should not be wearing two hats…I would prefer the investor one itself then considering the long term story of stock markets…

Can you suggest me some stocks to look for investment keeping another 6-8yrs horizon.
Current holdings include Bharti Airtel, Reliance Industries, Reliance Mediaworks, Maytas Infra, Bank of India and Country Club. Please let me know whether these are good for long term according to your view.

Regards,
AP

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38 Manish Chauhan March 3, 2010 at 9:25 pm

Prithvi

I dont consider myself to be good enough to give stock suggestion truely speaking .. Better you do some value investing with some mid cap stocks are the right time when there is a crash next time , follow rohit chauhan blog to learn more .

manish

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39 Banty April 29, 2010 at 11:51 pm

Hi Manish…

I feel great after reading your artical….. its really increadible….
But practically is it possible really…. sorry i mean to say can it be happen really….

please advice me for my 1st investment in mutual fund…

i m 26 years old… i want to invest Rs.3000 per month in SBI Magnum taxgain (growth) for say atleast 5 years from this month… how much money i will get after 5years… can you tell me plz… and also tell me is there any best option to invest this amount other than SBI Magnum taxgain (growth).

waiting for your early reply….

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40 Manish Chauhan April 29, 2010 at 11:56 pm

Banty

You will get 2.47 lacs at the end of 5 yrs , assuming 12% yearly return (1% monthly , 60 payments) .

>>> 3000 * (1.01) * ((1.01 ** 60 – 1))/.01
247459.09966491966

Also make sure you understand that over the long term this can definately happen only when you have discipline in investing.

Manish

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41 Banty April 30, 2010 at 12:19 am

thanx manish…
is this amont of Rs.2.47 lacs taxable.. i mean should i have to pay tax for it….
if i will invest this Rs. 2.47 lacs for another 5 years… how much will i get after that…. plz tell me…

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42 Sarang Acharya May 25, 2010 at 1:53 am

Hi Manish,
It’s a great article and gives a lot of knowledge. If you have enough time then please guide me too as you always do.

I am 26 now i earn around 3.50 lac’s annually after all expenses i can save up to 10k a month.I dont have any arrangements for emergencies please suggest me how much to invest for how many years and in what Mutual funds i am completely confused as there are so many AMC’s and their mutual funds.

Sarang Acharya.
System Administrator
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43 Manish Chauhan May 25, 2010 at 11:09 am

Sarang

You should first keep aside atleast 3-4 months of expenses in Emergency fund . You should plan each of your goal then , You should meet a financial planner for this .

Manish

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