Review of Jeevan Tarang Policy from LIC

We will discuss about LIC’s Jeevan Tarang Policy today, One of the readers asked me my review about Jeevan Tarang in “Ask a Question” Section.

I thought it would be a good idea to discuss it with every one here. So lets see Whats the policy and lets evaluate and answer the question “Is Jeevan Tarang worth consideration or Not”? Also see How can we beat this Policy by huge margin.

Jeevan Tarang Policy Highlights

  • Jeevan Tarang is a Whole Life Plan from LIC, Whole life plan means that you are insured for whole life (max age 100) The plan offers three Accumulation periods – 10, 15 and 20 years. A proposer may choose any of them. This is the Tenure by when your Policy Matures.
  • Whenever you die, you will ge the Sum assured and then the Policy Expires. This policy will expire if you are at age 100.
  • If you Die before the Maturity, you will get the Sum Assured + All the Bonus Accumulated till date.
  • The yearly Premimum will depends on two things, your Tenure and your Age. It can range from 11% (Policy for 10 yrs), 7-8% (Policy for 15 yrs) or 5-5.5% (policy for 20 yrs).
    For exact numbers see here. The percentages are with respect to your Sum Assured, 5.5% premium means 5.5% of your Sum assured. so Rs 10,00,000 of Sum assured means 55,000 of Premium each Year .
  • Incase you surviuve till your Policy Tenure, then at the end of your Tenure, you will get Bonus accumulated (not the Sum assured) and an annuity of exact 5.5% each year after the Policy Matures. One will get 5.5% of the Sum Assured each year till his death or upto age 100 whichever is earliar.
  • If you can not pay the Premiums and want to stop the policy (only after 3 yrs), you have two choices, either make it a Paidup policy or take back the Surrender Value. This is explained in detail later, so move on.
  • These are the main basic and approximate points of the Policy, for exact detials see the policy page at LIC website.

Let us now see an example with different Scenario. This will help you understand it better. Read Important of Life Insurance

Now let take Scenario’s

Ajay’s age is 30 and he takes Jeevan Tarang Policy for a tenure for 15 yrs with Sum Assured of Rs.10,00,000 (10 Lacs). His Yearly Premiums will be 71.40 for every 1000 sum assured, which is 7.14%. Which comes to 71,400 per year.

If Ajay dies before 15 yrs

In this case he will get Sum Assured + Bonus Accumulated till date. The Bonus amount is not fixed and we can not tell how much it will be now , But on LIC webpage its mentioned in range of Rs 20-88 .

Lets take a good figure of Rs 30 . In that case Per year it would be 30,000 more . So If he dies in 8th year , it would be 10 lacs (Sum Assured) + 2.4 lacs (bonus for 8 yrs) = 12.4 Lacs and the policy Expires .

If Ajay survives the Policy and does not die at all

In this case, Ajay will pay his premium upto 15 yrs and then in 15th yr, he will get back the Bonus accumulated (not sum assured), so may be it would be 4.5-5 lacs assuming Rs 30 as Bonus for every 1000 SA. Also he will get 55,000 per year(remeber 5.5% of Sum Assured) as annuity till he dies or upto age 100 .

He will also get Loyality additions , this will again be a very small amount just like Bonus , but this is not assured at all. Read this for same concept : Term Insurance with Return of Premium

If Ajay survives the Policy and Dies Later.

Its almost the same case as above, in this, Ajay will get Bonus at the end of 15 yrs and then He will start recieving 55,000 ever year. And suppose he dies before age 100, he will receive the Sum Assured of Rs.10 lacs and thats it .. The game is over and then LIC doesnt recognise him there after.

Ajay is not able to pay premiums because of some problem and wants to stop.

This is possible only after 3 yrs of taking the Policy, If he wants to stop it before 3 yrs, then sorry buddy, just forget your Money and go home cry. If its after 3 yrs, then He has two choices

  • Make the Policy Paid up : In this case, you stop the Premium payments and you will get your Premiums and Bonus Accumulated will date at the end of the Maturity. You Sum assured will also reduce in Proportion to Premiums Paid, so if you stop the policy in 6th year, your Sum assured will reduce from 10 lacs to 4 lacs (40%), as you have paid the premium only for 40% of the tenure (15 yrs), thats 6 yrs.
  • Take your Money Back : After 3 yrs of completion, the Policy acquires a Surrender value, generally its the Net Present Value of money in todays term what you are going to get at the end. See this post on Net Asset Value. So if you are going to get 5 lacs at the end of 15 yrs and todays worth of that money is 2 lacs, you will get 2 lacs today.

Watch this video to know about other features of this policy:

What is the Return of Jeevan Tarang Policy overall ?

Even if you receive all the annuity upto your age of 100 , the CAGR return for this policy using IRR Analysis comes to mere 4.72% .

I have taken the above example and assumed 5 lacs of Bonus and no loyality additions , even if we consider 7-8 lacs of Bonus and Some loyality additions, the CAGR return Does not cross 6% CAGR .

Why this Policy excites people and general people get fooled?

These kind of Endowment policies make sure that you concentrate too much on numbers and it traps your mindset in the present moment , One who is able to forsee beyond “now” can understand the real value of these Policies .

We concentrate on numbers, If we get something for a long time and we pay for less time, it appeals to us, and hence this policy takes care of that very beautifully, You pay for 10, 15 or 20 yrs and you get back till you are Age 100, Sounds great !!0

Psychologically our mind is programmed by nature to think about the best case for ourself, but how many of us will survive upto 100 yrs to get annuity back, The average person thinks emotionally , Insurance Companies work on Data, Statistics, probability Theory and complex calculations, which tell them that average person will die at 60-70, and only 1-2 will survive till 100 years of their age.

Most of the people see Numbers and Present, The policy will demonstrate how much You will get at the end of the Maturity but it never tells you how much will it be worth then and how much will it help you in your Financial goals. We never think that Rs.100 today can buy much more than Rs.100 after 15 or 30 yrs.

We know this somewhere inside us, but out mind just doesn’t feel everytime the same way, that’s the reason you need to calculate things by hand, on paper or computer and do some small analysis like I did on this article. Then you get the clarity

Trust and Blind Faith, We trust companies because they have been in existence from long time and our parents were made to believe that these are the best friends in our life, they will protect our Future. Love and “Taking Endowment Policies” in India has similarity.

I grew up hearing Love is Blind and experienced it too, and I feel that its same with Taking Endowment Polices. People just take it blindly, some new Policy comes up and bang !! It has to be great, no matter what, because it comes from the GOD company !!

No one will concentrate on 4 important features of his portfolio and how that policy fits in, Look at GFactor of a product to find if it suits you.

What are the Limitations of the Policy

  • Why age 100? How many people are going to live upto age 100 , why putting that number at 100, why not increase it to 500, even though life expectancy is just 60-70. Not more than 1-2 in 100 live upto 100.
  • In case of Ajay, if his monthly expeses is 30,000 (considering married, even though I doubt he will ever get any one), after the accumulation period of 15 yrs, he will start receiving yearly pension of 55,000 per year, read it again, 55,000 per year, but now after 15 yrs, even with 6% of inflation his monthly expenses has gone upto 72,000 . And his policy pays him 55,000 which cannot even take care of his 1 month of expenses . Now i can see him pulling all his hairs .
  • If he is dead at age 70 , His family would get back the Sum assured of 10 lacs and at that time , it can only pay for his family’s 3-4 months of expenses and his Funeral cost , thats it .. Aha .. atleast something , so one this is confirmed , There will be no financial burden , pun intended .

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Can we do better?

This is the question which we should always ask in every situation of our life, not just Financial planning. Lets take care of Ajay’s situation in Jagoinvestor’s way and plan him something better than Jeevan Tarang.

With Rs.71,600 per year to pay for 15 yrs, lets see what can we do.

First thing First, Lets cover his Family first from the Mis-happenings of life an secure his dependents, Lets take a Term Insurance of 50 lacs for maximum tenure of 30 yrs, Premium would be close to 13k or 14k approx, lets assume 14k. So out of 71,600, 14k is gone and we are left with 57,600.

Now lets put 21,600 each year in PPF for 15 yrs. We are now left with 36,000 to invest, we will start Rs.3,000 SIP per month (Rs 1000 each in 3 different Equity funds) for 15 yrs . See list of some good Equity Mutual funds for 2009 .

PPF will accumulate to 6.3 lacs in 15 yrs and Mutual funds will accumulate to 15 lacs in 15 yrs assuming a pessimistic return of just 12% (Historical return has been more than 17% and last 5 yrs return are more than 25%). Lets assume just 12% and not 18-20% even though its possible because our aim is to do better than Jeevan Tarang and achieve our goals and not compete with some one.

So total amount will be around 21.3 lacs at the end of 15 yrs. Now lets visit and see our Scenario’s again and hows does it compare now.

If Ajay dies before 15 yrs :

Gets 50 lacs from Term Insurance and also the money from PPF and mutual funds, which will be more than 50 lacs πŸ™‚ . We beat Jeevan Tarang by huge margin in this case.

If Ajay survives and Does not Die at all :

In this case he already has 21.3 lacs accumulated and now he can use this amount to buy an Annuity which will pay him more than 1.6 lacs Per year, much more than what he was getting in LIC policy.

As a toppings, he also has a 50 lac cover for another 15 years. We can generate 3 times more annuity than Jeevan Astha here, again beat by huge margin.

If Ajay survives the Policy and Dies Later :

In this case if he dies in next 15 yrs , his family would get 50 lacs from Insurance (10 lacs in LIC), apart from this he will have his 21.3 lacs growing every year.

If he dies after 15 more year, There will be no Insurance money, but his money would have grown a lot by now .. If he dies after 15 yrs (total 30 yrs from starting), his money would have grown to 1.17 crores assuming 12% return per year (no annuity every year). and if he dies after 25 years (total 40 yrs from starting , means at age 70), his money would have grown to 6 crores.

Now incase you don’t want to faint, don’t ask me how much would have he had if he lived till age 100 and left his money to grow, Its 13 crores πŸ™‚ . I have not assumed any annual annuity here, we can do that but the result would remain almost same. We beat Jeevan Tarang by hugest margin in this case. See how we can create Wealth using Equity in Long term.

Ajay is not able to pay premiums because of some problem and wants to stop.

His money will still be in PPF and Mutual funds and keep growing, there is no liquiditity issue with Mutual funds, he can withdraw from mutual funds anytime, even from PPF he can withdraw partially.

If he has limited money, he can at least pay his Insurance premiums and still get covered for 50 lacs, no big deal there. In every aspect it beats Jeevan Tarang

Note : For doing better than Jeevan tarang we have invested in Mutual funds which are risky instruments , but anyways we are not in great position with Jeevan Tarang .. so taking risk is worth it . If one is too concerned about risk , then even plain PPF will be better .

Conclusion :

Think Logical , Think mathematical , Think smartly and at last THINK !! .

Note : The figures have not considered the rebate provided by LIC, and hence the actual figures can deviate a bit from the actual numbers used here, but it wont be significant and the review still holds . ahh .. tired now !!

Review of BankBazaar.com , Excellent User Interface

BankBazaar.com is an excellent one stop destination for all your loans and insurance products Needs . BankBazaar is partner’s with India’s leading financial institutions and insurance firms, and provide all information at one single place in a very user friendly manner .

Lets see in detail what all it has to provide a retail investor like you and me in India .

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What can you compare at BankBazaar.com

  • Home Loans
  • Personal Loans
  • Home Loan Transfers
  • Loan Against Property
  • Credit Cards

Home loans section is my favorite and I am really amazed by the level of detail they ask and based on that they suggest you the best Bank suitable for you .

Anyone going to take a home loan should first go thorugh this to get an idea about it . The best part I like in BankBazaar is cool Scale type Amount and Duration Selector .Also check out there amazing EMI Calcualtor . Read an article explaining how to choose best Fixed Deposit for you .


Personal Loan is another section I like , You can find same kind of comparision calculator at many sites , but bankBazaar really goes in detail and takes care of all the details which your Bank will ask anyways at the time of Application .

Home Loan Transfer gives you information about the Bank with lowest interest rate when you transfer your existing home loan . Read an article on How Home loan EMI is calculated .

Loan Against Property This Calculator will take all your inputs and let you know how much amount are you eligible for taking Loan and for how much tenure . It will give the list of Banks which will provide the least interest to you .

Credit Cards This is for getting the best Credit card offer for you.

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Overall I think its the best place at the moment to get information on best products available on Home Loans. I hope to see many other things on Bankbazaar over time .

Questions and Answers , Part 3

Here are a set of 4 questions and answers asked to me on “Ask a question section” . These questions are on the topics on Insurance , Stock market and Futures and Options , ULIPs and Motivation. You can also look at other Questions and sections part here at Part 1 and Part 2

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Question 1 # by Vishnu

I am 25, single and my parents are my only dependants. My Dad is aged 65 and mother is aged 55. I have a Group Health Insurance Plan from my company which is given as a part of my compensation package. The insurance cover is for 4 lakhs (2 lakhs for self, one lakh each for my mother and father).

Given the features of the plan and my current need, the coverage of 4 lakhs is sufficient. But, I don’t have any other health insurance plan. Should I go for an additional plan, personally? I also assume that I would be given similar health policies in all my future jobs.

Answer

This is often a question in people mind , you say 4 lacs cover is sufficient , what if you had 10 dependents ?

Then each one would have 1-2 lacs cover and would you say 10-20 lacs is sufficient , what you must see is how much is “each person” cover, For you , its 2 laks , and for your parents its 1 lakh , now this logically , what is chances of you getting any health issue than your parents who are old (55+)

So the real situation nails down to this . Parents has 1 lakh of cover each and they are Old (probability of health issue drastically high compared to you) .

Now there is another issue , which is psychological , people think that chances of bad things happening to them is low than others , which is totally baseless . God forbid , but suppose there is some surgery or any health issue , you can imagine how much does it cost these days .. Lakhs of rupees .

Conclusion :

U should seriously consider covering your parents, Because of old age your will face some issue getting health cover now, also the premiums will be high (good enough), now its you who have to decide if you want to save those premiums (which can go waste, as some logical people declare) or pay the high cost of Hospitalization or Surgery or whatever when it comes, but save those premium . your call πŸ™‚

Question 2 # by Taranprit Singh

I am beginner in this stock world and doing trading just for earn money, money and only money. I can say I am doing good in intraday trading of equities. Now I want to enter in future and options but the problem is I have ZERO knowledge about them, so please it’s my humble request to give proper guide for the same by which I can understand FNO easily.

Answer

I want to congratulate if you are making money in markets with intraday, Keep it up. But !! if its just 1 week or 1 month that you have made money then wait, It can be because of luck or market may not have shown its real face to you.

I would suggest you to keep trading for 1 yr and see all the faces of markets, believe me, 1 yr is minimum time you should trade to see if you can do it consistently πŸ™‚ . Take the greed out of your mind to make lakhs and crores using F&O. I am experienced enough to say that it would kill you badly if you jump into it.

I would suggest you this.

  • Keep trading the way you are doing and see if you can do it consistenely for 6 months
  • Once you succeed in that, then keep trading and slowly learn F&O, buy books and read on Net, practice a lot.
  • Paper trade F&O trades , don’t jump into it with money
  • Once you succeed, then do some real money trades with small money, Grow slowly πŸ™‚

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Question 3 # by (Name not allowed to Disclose)

Have taken a new Aviva Lifeline,whole life plan(its still in free look period),i want your opinion abt it… details, Annual premium: Rs.25,000 Premium Policy Term:20years Policy term 72years (i m 28 years – 100 years policy max years) Invested Amt(for 20 years) Rs.5,00,000 Expected Return at 6% is Rs.8,00,000(at the end of 20 years) is this plan good from normal middle class person(of salary of Rs.15,000 per month) point of view?

Answer

Lets not ask a question “Is it good or Bad”, let us ask a question, Can we do better than this ourselves with simple things.

Equity Returns over long term have been more than 17%. Good Mutual funds over 10 yr of history have returned somewhere around 20%. If we think about future and assume even 12% return over long term, Your investment of 25k per year will become 20 lacs after 20 yrs.

>>> 25000 * (1.12)*(1.12 ** 20 -1)/.12
2017468.

If you think aggressively and assume 15%, it would be 29 lacs after 20 yrs

>>> 25000 * (1.15)*(1.15 ** 20 -1)/.15
2945253

At 6% , it comes out to be 9.7 lacs
>>> 25000 * (1.06)*(1.06 ** 20 -1)/.06
974818.

Learn the Calculation in this Video

The reason why you were told 8 lacs is because of the charges and may be some mortality charges for penny insurance you might get there. Check it yourself.

Even if you take a term insurance of 30 lacs yourself now, it will not be more than 10k per year, remaining 15k you can invest in 2-3 good mutual funds for long term. at the end of 20 yrs, you will have at least 12 lacs assuming 12% return. Apply logic and maths and that’s it, you are your own financial planner πŸ™‚

So my suggestion : Break this policy before the free look up period, and take what you get back, the amount spent on medical exam if any will be deducted.

Question 4 # by Vikas

I am 35 and haven’t had much opportunity to invest till 33 yrs. Now I have invested some funds in MFs (DSP Equity, Magnum Contra, DSP TIGER, HDFC Prudence and Sundarm Tax Saver).

I don’t have an established career and have taken any suitable opportunity that came along my way. Off late, I am jobless but have strong desire to start something independently of my own. However that “something” is what I am searching for.

I have to start small with no doubt due my financial restraints, but I know I have special liking for computer related jobs, exports, something creative like handicrafts etc.

Could you please suggest some books or articles or links or your own opinion how to translate this ” virtual something” in my mind to “real something”. I am absolutely sure if i strike the right chord, nobody can stop me, I have worked so hard for others in my regular job so I don’t see why I cant put my “everything” to get that elusive “something” πŸ™‚

Answer

Great .. All the mutual funds u have are nice ones and keep continuing in them . Regarding converting your “virtual something” into “real something”, I have this to say confidence in yourself is amazing and worth appreciation.

To find out what you want to do, you may have to try out various things which may fail in start, but you need to have enough reserve of confidence to tell yourself that you will get it someday. “Making mistakes is a privilege which Unsuccessful people don’t get in life”, I said this one day to my friend and realized what a nice quote I made πŸ™‚ .

“Believe in it.”

Most of the people are doing jobs which they hate or cant excel at, just because they don’t have that guts to start some thing on their own or change their jobs, you are much ahead of them, congrats on that.

Meet new people , try some ideas and make a list things “which you don’t want to for sure”. Prune out the things you don’t like. That would be a better way for finding what you want to do.

“One important thing”Β  –

We many times think that just because we have lot of confidence and desire to do something on our own will make u succeed, but there are something which have no substitute like Hardwork, spending time reading about what we like, Jagoinvestor was not build in a day, or a month, It needs work and patience and confidence that it will succeed.

There have been instances when I wrote 20 posts in a row after doing so much reading and hardwork, writing in night, but there was no comment which said “Nice job”, that is kind of heart breaking sometimes and makes you feel that “You are going no where”.

But what you need is the “belief” that things will turn out well at the end, just do your karma and results will come, and when they don’t come, just get out and accept it and be ready to move one just like it happens in Trading or Relationship. Its all the same thing at the end.

I did Trading in Markets (options) and failed like anything.

I am still learning and my confidence and belief in myself does not allow me to quit. Best of luck to you in trying to find your way. Don’t get underestimated by the failures . Failures will come and they will teach you more than your success .

Its only the times when you feel like quiting is the time when you really need to keep up yourself. “Difference between Coal and Diamond is that Diamond takes a little extra pressure”, So don’t let that extra pressure make you quit πŸ™‚

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List of Best Equity Diversified Mutual Funds for 2009

Which is the best Equity Diversified Mutual Fund ? . I am going to list down some of the best Mutual funds which I have figured out from Valueresearchonline.com . I am listing down 6 Equity Diversified Mutual Funds and 3 Tax-saving Mutual funds . I will highlight the main points of Mutual funds like its History , its performance and its Portfolio Allocation.

Best Equity Diversified Funds

These funds are suitable for people who are looking for long term investments and are ready to take the risk of mutual funds .

DSPBR Equity-G

  • 12 year old fund , Return Since Launch is at an excellent : 24.6%
  • Strong 5 yrs return at 33.4% beating its benchmark by impressive 8.4%
  • 50% Portfolio in Small and Mid cap Companies (Risky Fund, with High Potential)

DSPBR Top 100 Eqt Reg-G

  • 6.5 year old fund , Return Since Launch is mind boggling : 36.8%
  • Strong 5 yrs return at 30.6% beating its benchmark by 6% .
  • 80% Portfolio in Large and Giant Companies
  • Looks less risky Fund compared to DSPBR Equity-G

HDFC Top 200

  • 13 year old fund , Return Since Launch is excellent : 25.3%
  • Strong 5 yrs return at 31.8% beating its benchmark by 7% .
  • 65% Portfolio in Large and Giant Companies and 30% in Mid caps . Well Diversified Fund
  • One of the best funds available with long term Track record . Must Have

Magnum Contra

  • 10 year old fund , Return Since Launch is excellent : 27.6%
  • Strong 5 yrs return at 35.86% beating its benchmark by astonishing 11% .
  • 55% Portfolio in Large and Giant Companies and 35% in Mid caps and Small cap .

Reliance Regular Savings Equity

  • 4 year old fund , Return Since Launch is 21% even with the bloody market Crash.
  • Strong 3 yrs return at 21.5% beating its benchmark by 12.5% speaks for its potential in Future .
  • 45% Portfolio in Mid caps and Small cap makes it a Risky and Aggressive Fund .
  • With minimum investment required of Rs 500 , It can find a small corner in one’s Portfolio
  • Only for Risky Investors , Its a new Fund and hence does not have Strong and Long track record like its seniors .

Sundaram BNP Paribas S.M.I.L.E. Reg

  • 4.5 year old fund , Return Since Launch is 22.5% even with the bad markets.
  • Good 3 yrs return at 16.5% beating its benchmark by 7% .
  • With close of 75% Portfolio in Midcaps and Small cap makes its Fund with heart of real Risk takers . Don’t get into this if you don’t like messy markets . It can take your heart our of your body and play hide and seek with it .

You should see this Video to understand how to choose a good mutual fund on your own

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Best ELSS Mutual funds (Tax Saving Mutual Funds)

These are tax saving Funds , used for saving the tax under Sec 80C upto Rs 1 lac . Suitable for investors who want to invest for long term and also require tax saving .

Sundaram BNP Paribas Taxsaver

  • One of the oldest Tax saving Funds with 10 yrs of Strong Track Record
  • Return Since Launch is 22.3% .Strong 33% return in last 5 yrs beating its benchmark by impressive 6.5% .
  • Very good performance in last 2-3 years in falling markets with 17.3% return in last 3 yrs which is almost double of its benchmark returns .
  • Well diversified amoung Giant , Large and Midcap companies makes its a Good fund .
  • A little aggressive fund with 55% portfolio in just 3 sectors of Energy , Finance and Construction , betting on India’s future ..
  • A very flexible fund know for its adaptability with any situation makes it suitable for every kind of investor.

Canara Robeco Equity Tax Saver

  • One of the oldest Tax saving Funds with 16 yrs of Good Track Record
  • Return Since Launch is 15% which is decent enough in such a long term .
  • Very good performance in last 5 years with 30.5% return beating its benchmark by impressive 7% .
  • Mind Boggling 60% return in till date in current year (2009) shows that some great potential is building in this fund .
  • Well diversified amount Giant , Large and Midcap companies makes its a Good fund .
  • High Concentrating in midcaps (around 50%) makes it a risky Fund .
  • Minimum Investment of Rs 500 makes it an attractive choice for Risky Small Investors .

HDFC Tax Saver-G

  • This one is the quite genius who does not shout much about its achievement . Not much appreciated among its peers but has one of the best long term track record which has ability to put all the tax saving funds in shame .
  • One of the oldest Tax saving Funds with 13.5 yrs of excellent track record.
  • Return Since Launch is 34% which is an unmatched achievement in itself .
  • Close to 29.5% returns in last 5 yrs beating its benchmark by 6% .
  • It is now becoming more aggressive by increasing its allocation in Midcap funds .

Note : This is not an exhaustive list of Good funds . There are many good funds which are not here . Its just a Compilation of funds which I personally feel are good ones and have ability to perform in Future . All the funds have high Equity Allocation and can be very risky . You should invest in these only after understanding your Asset Allocation and Risk-appetite to handle the ups and downs of its performance .

I will come up with the compilation of some good Sectoral Funds , Debt Funds and Balanced Funds later . Watch for it πŸ™‚

Comments Please and let me know which fund is your favorite and why . If I had to choose 1 fund , it would be Sundaram Tax Saver because I did a detailed Analysis of it myself and It went ahead of SBI magnum which had number 1 position from long time .

Source : ValueResearchOnline

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New Mutual Funds Charges from ICICI

ICICIDirect has revised its brokerage charges for Mutual funds Investments . Some time back SEBI abolished mutual funds entry load , In this post we will see the new charges by ICICIDirect and analyse if its good or bad . The new revised charges look good to me . In case you don’t know what is SIP , Read here

So ICICI Direct came up with this Rule . If your Mutual Funds portfolio with them is

Your Mutual Funds Portfolio Above 8 Lacs with ICICI


So , it means you can just invest through ICICI Direct website and your brokerage would be Nil and you wont pay any thing in charges .

Your Mutual Funds Portfolio is Below 8 Lacs with ICICI


You will have to pay lower of Rs 30 or 1.5% of the amount each time if you go for SIP . On a lump sum investment , you will pay Rs 100 .

Is it Good or Bad ?

If your SIP payment is High

This revised charge structure will be very good for you if you are making Higher SIP payments like 10,000 . In that case your charges would be Rs 30 each time , which is 0.3% , which is 87% cheaper than earlier cost (2.25% entry load) . Even with 5,000 SIP , your charges would be .6% , which is much better than what you were paying earliar and this all with the convenience of doing everything online yourself .

Read why SIP is best for salaried class people

If your SIP payment is Small

If your SIP payments are less than 1,500 , then your charges would be 1.5% , which is near 2.25% , what you earlier paid, you are still benefiting , but not to great extent . Now its you who have to decide

  • if you would like to go with direct Mutual funds investing yourself (without any charge at all)
  • You can find some other agent who charges less than 1.5%
  • You are ok with 1.5% charges and comfort is more important to you .

Suggestion to people who have lot of Mutual funds in your portfolio

In case you have too much mutual funds in your portfolio and your SIP payment in each of them is small , the better thing would be to prune out most of them and consolidate your mutual fund portfolio to maximum 5 funds and better to more payment in each , for example if you have 15 mutual funds of Rs 1,000 each , change it to 4 mutual funds with 4k payment to each or Something like that . It will help in management of funds also and also help you reduce the charges .

There may be some other agent or web portal who are not charging at all for mutual fund investments through them . For people who are yet to open a Demat account and also looking for Mutual fund investments , Opening a ICICI Direct Demat account may be worth looking into .

What is most Important

Don’t try to put too much thinking in this , less charges are good , but its not the main thing , you must concentrate on your Asset Allocation and Portfolio Rebalancing and choosing a good mutual fund for you . So if you getting a good advice , its worth to pay good fees for that , don’t try to save that small amount just for saving it .

Please comment what do you think about this ? Do you know of some other alternative route through which the commission will be better than this .

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Question and Answers , Part 2

This is second post for answers to Questions asked to me in “Ask a Question” Section . The First Part of Question Answer section is Here . This section has questions and answers related to topics like GOLD , Real Estate , Term Insurance , Mutual Funds , “hiding Information from Insurance Company” . See the questions ans answers below .

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Question 1#

I have a requirement of physical gold after 1 year or so. I just got back some money from an old investment. Is it ideal to buy the gold now at this price. Or do I make an FD for 1 year so that I can buy later. What do you see the price of the gold in another year’s time.

Answer

GOLD is near its support levels , so i am not sure if its a good idea to buy it for short term . Its hard to say what will be in a years time frame ,but if its just 1 yr , better to put money in FD and buy gold later .

Other alternative i would suggest is buy it every quarter with 25% money each time .

Question 2#

Have one general question… I was reading “Rich dad Poor dad recently”.. Some interesting concepts but was not sure how it will applicable to indian scenarios.

1. Kiyosaki tell’s that Real estate is the safest way for wealth. But in India (especially in Chennai and Blore), it is not only the value of land we need to worry about but also the reliability of the land owner (Same land is being sold for multiple people), Fake papers, Even if everything is alright some political party/Gunda can stick a flag and claim the land.

2.Is it feasible to have a separate business on top of our regular job?

3.Or should just mind our job and invest our money wisely (Stocks/MF e.t.c) What are your thoughts?

Answer

1. Real Estate is the safest way for wealth , I don’t agree with it .. Real Estate is a good Investment over long term , and you can get benefited in short term also , but for long term , i still recommend Equity. Regarding the reliability of land ownership , that risk is always there , but you can minimize it by taking precautionary measures from your side and by “not acting” foolish and greedy like many people do .

2. Regarding Second business on top of business , yes you can . but if your current job agreement says that you cant , then you cant , because you have agreed with them by signing the documents πŸ™‚ . However I don’t see any issue in regular jobs . Go ahead .

3. There is no one answer to it .. There are other things than making money .. If you like you job just be with it and enjoy , you can side by side do good investing too . But you like investments as a career you can enter the field and have full time job in that .

Question 3#

Hi , after a study of analysis , i am planning to take term insurance policy of 50 Lacks but am facing difficulty to choose which one is better, as i see LIC Amulya jevan premium is 17k per year,(35 years)-50 lacs Bajaj Allianz Life – New Risk Care is 13.5 k (40 years)-50 lacks and also having some accidental,critical benefits.

Please suggest me,can i take single policy of 50 lacks or split into 25lacs, 25 lacs, and to safe side choose either LIC only or any another company like bajaj, kotak ,etc for same tenure who ever offering less premium need to take??

Answer

Well.. you have done 95% of the job by choosing to take term insurance , now to Find the best one is just 5% , because in a way its not too important .. I like SBI and Religare .. you can go with others also .

Term Insurance is a simple product and all companies have it with almost same rules , so the best one is the one with least cost most of the time πŸ™‚ . Riders are your choice , you pay extra if you take them , they are not free.

Divide the policy in 2 atleast , If you are too emotional with LIC , you can have it as one of the insurers .. But there is no issues like Public or private companies.. read my article on this .

Question 4#

I invested in some mutual funds through SIP in FY 2007-2008. My current balanace in these mutuals funds is:- Fidelity India Special Situations Fund – Rs 10000 Fidelity Tax Advantage Fund – Rs 24000 SBI Magnum Global Fund – Rs 10000 DSP Black Rock Fund – Rs 24000 I must admit that I had no idea about mutual funds and invested as advised by a friend who was an agent in a Investment company.

Till early 2008 , all was looking good and the value (combined) was approx. 12000 more than Cost value (if I remember correctly). But now for the past 1 year the value of these funds(combined) is less than the cost value and currently I am at a loss by 7500.

I am not sure what should I do about these funds. Should I withdraw my money? or should let them be as they are in hope that their value will increase someday? Many Thanks for your help

Answer

DSP Blackrock Fund : EXCELLENT funds, Keep it, increase the exposure
SBI Magnum Global Fund : RISKY and seems to be fine (its a midcap fund), decrease the exposure
Fidelity Tax Advantage Fund : Good, Continue
Fidelity India Special Situations Fund : Its a new fund , STOP this and take some old Winner πŸ™‚

You entered at bad time, dont worry its normal .. Review your Mutual funds (you may use my suggestions if you want, Take your call, i am not responsible) and prune out the bad ones and continue with the good one, Equity performance very good if you keep continuing investments and give it some enough time to it to perform.

Equity have risk and hence you are going through the time when you should be calm and control your “mind” which is concentrating too much on Losses πŸ™‚ .

Question 5#

I have LIC Jeevan Amulya Plan for 30 lakhs @ premium of 7.5k. During enrollment, I had a medical checkup including blood test. My policy was confirmed after a month, i.e. after positive medical test result. During medical checkup, there was a document given asking questions about existing health problems.

I had a minor surgery during my childhood (age of 5) and a tonsill surgery at the age of 15. But, I missed to mention those.

Now, when I read some case studies in personal finance articles, I see that hiding such information will create problems later during insurance claim. What should I do now? Should I inform the LIC about the same? Or, do I need to stop the insurance and start afresh giving correct information? Please suggest.

Answer

You should inform them about this as soon as possible , Premium of Life Insurance depends on the Risk involved and Right now , The company is charging premium based on your information , If later they come to know that this information was hidden from them , the claim can be rejected and It will be a right thing from companies point of view , You should inform about this , Your Premium May or may not be revised . Even if its revised , its ok .. πŸ™‚ .

That’s a fair thing

No point in stopping this policy and taking a new one, because any ways you will declare this to other insurance provider. Only in one case you will benefit, if new insurance provider has the premium less than LIC, which i think many will have, do your investigation.

Please leave your comments on this section, If you have some question, please post it HERE

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Financial Planning and Stock Market Seminar in Bangalore

We had a Free session on Personal Finance and Stock Market Basics on last Sunday , 2nd Aug . There were total of 17 participants , I talked about Basics of Investing and Insurance principles along with a live case study , where I proved why one of the participant was severely underinsured , I told them How to calculate the Insurance Requirement .

Another Friend Trilok also talked about Basics of Stock market to get new people learn the basics terms and get them ready for Stock Markets in case they plan to trade . Some of the important points I noticed overall are :

  • People do not understand basics , but they can understand it very well if they guided properly
  • On an average level there is too much need of good Financial Education
  • Most of the people have money but little knowledge to invest it wisely and correctly

I had put the information about the session on this blog and I expected some good number of registration , but I got just 4 people from my side . I am not sure if people missed it or are not interested in ruining their Sundays for a personal Finance talk . Let me know .

We are planning to do some more more sessions on weekends , but we really require some things from people who come . Interest to learn and Some Time πŸ™‚ . If you are interested please Fill this form to put down your Name . The session will be in JayaNagar 3rd Block , Bangalore . Check out some pics from last session Below .


Manish giving some knowledge about SIP and its Importance


Me trying to Prove why Endowment Policies are not the Right Answer to Insurance

Trilok Explaining from Basics of Stock market and Trading , check out this Ebook on How a newcomer should Start in Stock Market .


The wonderful Audience we had


Note : The session will be totally free , you just need to COME πŸ™‚ .

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Why to open a PPF account in India

PPF i.e. Public provident fund is the most recommended long term investment tool offered by Central government of India for Indian resident employees.

In this article we will see why one should open a PPF account even if one does not need it or have no intention of putting his money in Debt.

It may look idiotic but we will see why it would make sense. We will also see an example which will help you understand things.

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But may be you don’t know what is PPF account? you will say. Click here to Understand what is PPF account.

Lets see in detail:

Imagine a situation, you need to invest your money in some debt product which gives you assured and good returns, but you don’t want it to get locked for long period, the maximum you want is 3-4 yrs of lock in. Is it possible right now is the question you need to ask? NO!! is the Answer

  • If you invest in PPF right now, the money will be locked in for 15 yrs (partial withdrawals allowed)
  • If you invest in NSC it will be locked for 6 yrs but the interest would be taxable and hence your post-tax returns are again very less
  • Fixed Deposits are again not helpful because their post-tax returns are not attractive enough. Even if you Choose the best Fixed DepositΒ it won’t help
  • Debt funds are again not answer because again the post-tax returns are less

So how does opening a PPF account now helps us?

Well, definitely it can’t help us at this moment, But imagine future let’s say after 11 or 12 yrs you need to invest some money for short term; at that time, you can put money in your PPF account and it will get matured in next 3-4 yrs and whole maturity amount would be Tax-free and earn you interest of 8%.

It costs just Rs. 500 per year for PPF account to stay active. So if you need the PPF account right now, then open it NOW and if you don’t need it right now, still open one NOW so that your Loan-in-period goes down by 1 every year.

Also, once in a while whenever you feel that you need your money to go in Debt component, simply use the PPF.

Read an article on Asset Allocation to understand the good mix of Equity and Debt Component.

So, here is what I suggest: Open PPF accounts in your name, your Spouse name and your Children name at interval of 2-3 years. So, after 12-13 years, each of the PPF accounts will mature in a gap of 2-3 years.

You can use this as an investment product that gives 8% assured tax free returns. πŸ™‚

Please comment to let me know your views. Is there any issues involved with this article content? Is there anything I have not covered? Your comments are valuable.

Question and Answers , Part 1

You might have noticed that I started “Ask a Question” Section on my blog where anyone can ask any query to me, I will try my best to answer the questions, but please don’t expect instant reply. I am sharing the answers here for some questions asked by readers, this will help others to gain more knowledge about stuff.

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Question 1:

Hi,
I am new learner in derivatives trading !
any good web site to understand in detail , and my very specific question is when to be in Futures and when to trade in Options !
many thanks,
Umesh

Answer

There is no single website for understanding this. You have to search different sites for different things. What I would suggest is clear your basics by reading some books and some articles on web. and then trade your self. Download my ebook: https://manish.pucsd.googlepages.com/A_Small_Guide_For_Newcomers_In_Stock.pdf and follow it.

Regarding choosing between Futures and Options, The best answer what excites you? Futures or Options? I like Options, so i trade options (not doing it from some weeks). Basically Options are more leveraged products than futures. Options are more difficult than futures.

There are different strategies in Options which can be applied at different times. Don’t trade derivatives if you are not able to trade equities successfully. move gradually from Equities to Derivatives. Don’t jump directly to Derivatives.

Question 2 :

If I have to choose ONLY ONE equity mutual fund for a time horizon of 10 years – which ONLY ONE fund should I choose ? What about DSP TOP 100 EQUITY FUND ? Is there any better than this fund? – RAJIV

Answer

Ok, this is tricky. The one i would suggest is “Sundaram Tax Saver”. Now comes the best part. If you had asked me this question before 5 yrs, The answer would have been “SBI Magnum or HDFC taxsaver” and answer will keep on changing, There are different cycles in mutual funds life cycle, The best mutual fund today may not be the best all life.

So the best time frame you should look at is 3-4 yrs and then evaluate back and shift money in another mutual fund as per the situation.

For now take Sundaram, invest through SIP and maintain your asset allocation. Look at the comparison I did between SBI and Sundaram here : https://www.jagoinvestor.com/2009/01/95-of-salaried-people-are-rushing-to.html

DSP top 100 equity is an excellent fund , This should be good enough to invest in , Don’t look for the best mutual fund, there is nothing like that. It depends on your risk profile and other factors if it suits you or not.

Question 3 :

Me and my wife both are working in MNC’s. We both are in the age of 27 and don’t have any kid yet. We both also don’t have any dependent. We both are getting cumulative 8 lakhs medical cover from our company. I read a lot of places that it is good to have your own medical policy. Can you please suggest that should I buy and medical policy for me ? and if Yes ..what should be the criteria. – Manu

Answer

8 lack is a good cover . But i think it would be 4 lacks each , not 8 lacks for one person . even 4 lacs is good for one person . The reason why extra health cover is advised is because

– You can loose job or move to another job and may be “without Health cover” for the gap which is not a good thing.

– Health cover does not mean “everything you can think of related to health”, There are many things which group health cover wont cover, dig out more on that. See what is the most important thing for you and your wife and if your Company covers that or not. It wont hurt to take a good Family Floater cover for 4-5 lacs for you people, it would be 8-9k per year . Cover your self well..

There is nothing like the best policy, its not “the policy which suits your requirement”, the policy which is best for me, can not be best for you.

You may also want to look at a term cover for a small amount (20-30 lacs), I know you people are not financially dependent, but i am sure it would help if there is loss of income because of some unfortunate event.

Question 4 :

My question are

1) If I have invested in a ULIP for more than 3 years as of now, is it better to continue on that ULIP? I think the commission, other charges etc are negligibly small after three years of policy . Any amount I invest from now on will be invested in equity markets. Please let me know your thoughts
2) In case of term insurance policies, money that my dependents get is taxable or not ?(of course if I die during policy tenure) πŸ™
3) I read in one of your blog post that it is better to split life insurance into two or three companies to that it will give us a flexibility to stop one or two later at some point of time. In case of my death , will my dependents get claims/money from all my policy ?
4) If I have health policy in different company , can i claim the refund from all policy or just one . Will those be taxable?

– Aby

Answer

Find the answers in line.

1) If I have invested in a ULIP for more than 3 years as of now, is it better to continue on that ULIP? I think the commission, other charges etc are negligibly small after three years of policy. Any amount I invest from now on will be invested in equity markets. Please let me know your thoughts

For this you need to see what is the current situation of your total fund value . For last 1.5 yrs markets have done very badly , so there would be significant change in fund value compared to normal years . Other charges are not always negligible after 3 yrs of policy . I think you can either link your ULIP with your long term goals , or start a SIP from now onwards .

2) In case of term insurance policies, money that my dependents get is taxable or not?(of course if I die during policy tenure) πŸ™

Its not Taxable , however when they invest that money somewhere and when they start getting yearly income from that , then that yearly income will be taxable .

3) I read in one of your blog post that it is better to split life insurance into two or three companies to that it will give us a flexibility to stop one or two later at some point of time. In case of my death, will my dependents get claims/money from all my policy?

Yes, your family will, get money from all your policy, If you take Insurance of 30 lacs , 20 lacs and 25 lacs from different insurers, they will get it from everyone , so total will be 75 lacs .

However , you can not use this to your advantage and take crores of policies, because insurers ask for your previous policies and if they think that your insurance has crossed the limit which you should have , then they will refuse the insurance to you .

4) If I have health policy in different company, can i claim the refund from all policy or just one. Will those be taxable?

No, You can only get the refund upto the expenses occurred. So if you have taken Health insurance from more than 1 insurers , they will share the cost between themselves in the ratio of sum assured (this is basic rule , there can be some different rule here and there) .

So if you take Health insurance for 5 lacs and 10 lacs , and your expenses are 3 lacs which you want to claim , you will get 1 lac from 1st insurer and 2 lacs from 2nd. The amount is not taxable , because its not something extra you are getting, its just the same amount you have spent and getting it back . So for you its 0 profit 0 loss .

Question 5 :

Sir.,

Thanks for this service.i am working as a agent for mutual funds. From today onwards there is no ENTRY LOAD so no commission. yesterdays conclusion from our trade is to request(!) the same amount from the customers.
Is it possible to receive cash favor directly from clients?

Some clients are happy with our service, and some were not at all !!!

– Srinivas

Answer

So what if 2.25% entry load is scrapped. Clients are ready to pay for quality advice and good service. If you advice them well and help them take good decisions for there investments, I am sure clients wont mind paying you 2.25% commission (even more than that) . You should take this in positive way .

I hope you are AMFI registered and have good grip on Mutual funds and how to choose best one which suits your clients needs. I hope you are not just choosing the “top 5′ from some rating website (though its fine sometimes) . Research your clients needs and suggest them good mutual funds and let them understand why it suits them .

Trust is what they should have with you. Once they trust you and your advice, this IRDA rule of 2.25% thing will make no sense to you and other agents.

As I said earlier, This may look like a Disaster to you, but its your chance to start all over again and make things work for you , adapt to changes πŸ™‚ .

Do let me know if you like this section or not.

Please note, that the question and answer are made public only after confirming it with the requester, If you want that your question and answer are not shared, that’s fine with me.

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Why people don’t buy Term Insurance?- Analysis of a case study on Indian people’s mindset

“We have no desire to make anybody look like a blithering idiot, but we do love it when they do. “– Stephen Colbert. One of the reasons why most people do not take Term Insurance is because “They don’t get anything back at the end”.

In this article, I will show you why this is a psychological issue. Even if you get your money back at the end of the tenure it won’t make much difference. In this article I will prove that the argument “Term Insurance is waste of money because you don’t get anything back” is amazingly idiotic.

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What is the main Issue with People not liking Term Insurance

Why people don’t like Term Insurance is the question. The answer is simple: because you don’t get anything if you survive the whole tenure and hence the amount paid as premium is wasted – this is claimed by millions. Fair enough!

The first thing is, these people do not understand or appreciate the Importance of Life Insurance. Now let’s see this situation from a different angle. Assume you get the money at the end in your Term Insurance.

Let’s see a case study of a general Family. How does a family look like:

Manish is 28 yrs old and got recently married (oops!!). He earns close to 40,000 per month. His monthly expenses are around Rs.25,000 overall and he saves 15,000 per month (hehe). He also has his parents as financially dependent on him.

He is 30 yrs away from his retirement. He calculated his Insurance Requirement and it was close to 50-60 lacs minimum. Let’s take it as 50 lacs for simplicity for now. (Get more of Insurance Articles from Archives section.)

Analysis of Case Study

Now is the fun part: his current monthly Expenses are close to 25k. Now what will it be when he retires after 30 yrs?

So the average inflation for last 30 yrs was 6.5% (based on past data). Let’s assume it will be 6.5% for next 30 yrs on an average. Then the monthly expenses after 30 yrs would be 25,000 X (1.065)^30 = 1,65,359 (1.65 lacs). If he takes a Term Insurance at the start, his yearly premium per year for 50 lacs cover would be Rs.11802 for 30 yrs tenure from Aegon Religare.

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Which means, he is going to pay total premium of 3.54 lacs in his entire life. How even if he gets this money back at the end, how much will it benefit him? How many months can he survive on this money? 2 months is the answer!!

With expenses of 1.65 lacs per month, the money he gets back from term insurance is enough for not more than 2 months. Let’s take maximum 3 months. That’s it!!! Are you confused with Calculations, See this Video presentation by me where I explain how to do important Calculations in Personal Finance.

So Following are the questions needed to be asked

  • Do you want to put your Family at Financial Risk because you are not getting 2 months’ worth of expenses back?
  • For a small amount you “don’t get” at the end are you not being childish to Secure your family?
  • Don’t you think you are seeing Term Insurance from a wrong attitude?
  • Are you not concentrating on “what you are not getting” rather than “what you are getting”?

We already have “Return of Premium Term Policies”, but they are themselves idiotic because they are again designed to just exploit the weakness of people who feel that term insurance is waste of money because they don’t get their money back.

Read this to understand why Plain Term Insurance is better than “Return of Premium Term Insurance policy”.

Watch this video to learn why Term insurance is better than regular insurance policies:

Reason why Indians don’t like Term Insurance’

Reason 1#: Most of the people concentrate on number and explicit data, like the money they are not getting back or it’s a waste of premium if nothing happens to them. They fail to look internal advantage which term Insurance provides.

Reason 2#: We are emotional with Money, we are more concentrated with Growing money and getting money back rather than what value it provides in our life.

Reason 3#: Most of the people think that the probability of dying is much lower than an average person which is again totally idiotic. We just don’t want to visualize a bad situation and hence do not concentrate on that situation.

Conclusion

In life we don’t appreciate things like Health, small moments of happiness, nature, time spent with our loved ones which are most wonderful and real things in life. Term Insurance is one of the similar things in personal finance domain.

You just need to shift your focus of view from “what you are losing” to “what you are getting” once you do this with Term Insurance and your Life, both will become wonderful.

Please comment on what do you think about this and do you agree with it. Are you victim of such mindset?