Now you can Buy all 3 Jagoinvestor Books in Ebook Format

Me and Nandish were deligted yesterday when we got an email from our publisher CNBC18, that all our 3 books published with them is now available in ebook format at flipkart. So all those who wanted to buy our books in digital format and read it on their smartphones, tablets and even PC , its now possible. Note that very soon the ebook version might also come on Amazon (kindle), Infibeam and other platforms, but it will take time and is only expected (no guarantee)

All our books are doing well good and readers are appreciating them a lot. You can read the reviews for all books on flipkart.

How to Buy the Book in Ebook Format ?

Step 1 – Buy the Book on Flipkart

Go to book page on flipkart and make the payment for the book. You will have to be Logged in while buying the book because the ebook gets stored in your account in “My Library” section. Below are the links for all the 3 books (Book 1 , Book 2, Book 3)

Here do our book readers say (Titles from the reviews from our 3 books) !

  • Must read for beginners to personal finance
  • A Brilliant Book To Kick-Start Your Financial Planning
  • Excellent if you want to know how to take care of your finance
  • Great Insights for achieving Financial Freedom
  • A book written in a very simple language but its results will be humongous
  • Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime!!
  • Book that not only makes you think, but also provokes you to take action instantly!!!
  • A Must have book for anyone who earns and wants to accumulate wealth
  • Awesome, must read action book on personal finance!
  • Transforming Your Relationship With Money & Achieving Financial Independence

Step 2 – Download the Flipkart eBooks App on your Phone/Tablet

Step 3 – Login to your flipkart account on your app and download the ebook

You can then log in to your flipkart account and go to “My Library” section, where you will see all your ebooks purchased and then you can download the book on your phone and start reading (Note – you can also download the ebook on some other phone where the app is installed)

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Read the Sample of the Book

You can also read the sample of all the ebooks on your app. It will give you access to some starting pages of the book which you can read and get the feel.

Why to buy the Ebook instead of Hard Copy ?

Reading a book in hard copy format has a very different experience than reading it in ebook format, both have their own pros and cons. Here are few reasons why some one might want to buy our books in ebook format.

Reason 1 – Because it stays with you all the time on the go , you can open your tab/phone and start reading it from the point where you left it last time.

Reason 2 – If you are an NRI, staying outside India, it was really a tough job to get the book in hard copy. Now with ebook version available, you can just order it and start reading it on the fly!

Reason 3 – No waiting time or delivery charges . Books less than Rs 500 worth have delivery charges of Rs 50 on flipkart. you dont have to pay that.

Let us know if you have already read our books and learned lot of things please write the review on flipkart also. Also we would like to hear from you ! . Also let us know if any questions !

How my 5 answers to this lady was like Financial Planning for her !

One of our readers Sonadhi wanted to hire a financial planner, but first wanted to get clarity about her financial situation and some solutions on her financial life problem at our questions and answers forum. She posted her query and I answered her in detail. I gave her a detailed answer which you cant call “Financial Planning” , but I can say that my reply must be sufficient for her to move ahead and get a lot of clarity. Just wanted to give show you her question and my answer, because I am sure a lot of people will get some idea of what needs to be done in some situations.

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Sonadhi question

My baby girl is about to complete her three years.My target is min.25 alcs at her age of maturity i.e.at the age of 20 years. I am not sure on how to invest for her.Confused to go for Rd/FD or PPF.Also interested in Mutual funds,but no knowledge.Think for LIC plans for children but they have very high premiums with less benefits.Confused between what is difference between ELSS & SIP. Not able to have the financial planner at this stage.Also paying heavy EMIs. Who can guide me.

My answer to her

Lets quickly do your financial planning in few points. Based on your information till now here is what you need to do

Step 1 –  First step is to restructure your finances, Restructuring is required because cash flow is important to be planned,. Unless your cash-flow is planned properly , things will be tough . So first ask why you are paying that 5,000 per month in LIC , how old it is ? What benefits are you getting out of it . The way I see is , You are taking lot of pressure each month for a bad outcome at the end, its not going to give you returns of more than 5-6% at the end, so better make the policy paid up . This way you will release 5,000 per month .

Step  2 – Your RD of 5,000 is fine , let it go so that at one side , some money is secured. The 5,000 which is release out of LIC should be redirected to 2 good mutual funds through SIP . You said you do not understand Mutual funds, and hence not able to act . Trust me , Mutual funds are mainly for those who do not understand stocks and markets that well , there is nothing to understand there much , More than knowledge you need “discipline” here . All you need to do is start a SIP of Rs 2,500 per month in 2 funds . like HDFC prudence , DSPBR top 100 , HDFC Equity etc . Any of two will do .

Step 3 –  Better take a Term plan first for a good amount , like 50 lacs or 1 crore . Premiums will be a lot smaller compared to what you pay in LIC right now and it will be a yearly commitment which you can do .

Step 4 –  I think over next 6 months , you should also create your emergency fund, because right now your EMI is 21,000 , but because of movement in interest rates, it might go up and down , so you should factor in for that !

Step 5 –  Wealth will get created over a long term , short term focus should not be too much on what is performing in which manner , more than returns , right now just focus on your discipline and how you can increase your investments overtime .

I hope you got some good answers and value out of this thread .

Let us know if you feel more relaxed and did it serve you ?

Manish

I am sure the question and the answer must have given some hints and insights on what needs to be done in a particular situation. Can you improve on some of my suggestion ?

 

4 FAQ’s about Investors Bootcamp Answered – which might be stopping you from joining !

Its only 5 days left for our investors bootcamp and we got some interesting questions from some our readers regarding Investor’s Boot camp that we are starting from 12th August. It is possible that you might be having same questions in your mind and so we thought of compiling questions for all. The concept of investors boot camp is new and it is perfectly fine if you have doubts or queries.

4 FAQ’s about Investors Bootcamp (Only 5 days LEFT)

Question 1 – I am a procrastinator by nature. If only I wasn’t a procrastinator, I know I could be a STAR Investor. I’m on jagoinvestor  from many months and I also follow other blogs on personal finance, I know I should be buying adequate life cover and health cover and be more goal driven but I am failing at taking actions. Can this boot camp be of help to me as an investor. I trust you guys fully and paying 4k is not an issue for me.

Answer:  “This boot camp is designed for procrastinator and for those investors who are struggling to take actions in their financial life. As a boot camp participant we will assign you simple actions every week and you will be reporting directly to us and we wont tolerate any kind of casualness from any participants. We are going to be extremely demanding and direct with all participants and will make sure you get strong on the action part. This boot camp is an opportunity for you and so don’t miss it.”

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Question 2 – I am kind of person who will do a lot of research and always find myself in “Crossroad situation”. I am always confused as I have more than one option in front of me. I want to get out of my research mode and want to take many actions. Will this group be of help to me. Please send me details

Answer: The problem you are facing is faced by many investors. Investors are getting drunk on information on the name of investor education which is dangerous from wealth creation point of view. As boot camp participant we won’t dwell into intense intelligent discussions. We won’t over load you with more information. We will simply ask you to do X every week and you will complete X actions in your financial life. Let’s make things simple and do what is required to live a good financial life

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Question 3 – I am very new as an investor and I have no personal finance knowledge. I have bought one of your books but still have not completed reading it. I am into job from last 1 year and want to start investing. Can this boot camp help me?

Answer: This boot camp has to be seen as a strong starting point. It does not matter whether you are new or an experienced investor. The content of each week will be generic and something that will be useful to all kind of investors. We will provide you with a structure and an environment where you will start to think and act in your financial life. We will help you to plant right seeds in your financial life that will be of help to you. We look forward to serve you.

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Question 4 – I am still not clear how a boot camp can happen on a facebook group. I mean how will you guys help so many people in taking actions. The group will have people from different backgrounds and age level. I want to join and I know when you guys come-up with something it will be high on value but can you throw some light on how will you manage this boot camp. Thanks in advance

Answer: This is a very good question. The beauty of this structure is it’s simplicity. Anyone from any location can be a part of this boot camp. We have chosen facebook as most of the people have facebook account. This is new and first of it’s kind bootcamp but we will make sure that participants will create immense value. Every Monday we will upload one action sheet (Excel based) and will post weekly actions for all group members and on Saturday people will report their results.

The actions and material provided will make action taking extremely simple. We do not intend to create great investors in this boot camp but we want make better investors. Investors who are busy and want and extra helping hand in their financial life. In past we have done such groups for advisors community and we know the dynamics of how to help people move forward as a group

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Even after reading these questions you have any further doubts or questions feel free to write us. We will be more than happy to answer your queries. And if you are clear this boot camp will be of help you click here and complete your registration. We invite all the readers to be a part of this Investor’s Boot camp

Are you getting fooled and paying extra money on your restaurant Bills ?

Do you know that you might have lost thousands of rupees in paying extra money on restaurants bills over last few years, just because you do not understand what does service charge, service tax and VAT actually means and how are they calculated. Most of the times customers take it for granted assuming that hotel must charged it in right manner and as per rules laid down. Lets learn about these 3 concepts today so that next time you pay a hotel or restaurant bill, you exactly know what you are paying for and raise your voice if something is wrong.

When the Bill Arrives

Just before the bill arrives, I have this habit of running “guessing competition”. Whoever is with me, I ask him/her – “Guess, what would be the bill amount be around ? Give the range , whoever is close wins !” .

Almost all the time I am very close to the actual amount, but then I am not close to the final amount to pay, because I always forget to consider various tax and charges applicable, which always inflates the bill by 20-30% . Imagine you eat worth Rs 1,000 and pay Rs 1,260 finally ! . You know that feeling :).

So if you look at your bills when you eat at hotels and restaurants, you will see 3 kind of charges namely “service charge” , “service tax” and “VAT” . Lets decode them one by one and see what exactly they are

Service Tax and VAT on Restaurant Food bills

1. Service Charge

Service Charge is a charge levied by restaurant for the service provided to customers. This is generally 5%-10% of the bill and restaurant owner is free to charge whatever amount he/she wants as service charge. Its up-to you to decide if you want to eat there or not. The service charge has to be displayed in Menu, only then it can appear in the final bill. If you do not see it on Menu, it means it was not communicated to you and you cant not be charged service charge.

Service Charge at Barbeque NationActually service charges are to be distributed among waiters and staff and its kind of compulsory “tip” to be paid. So if there is service charge on the bill, you are not suppose to tip officially to any one. So don’t feel awkward not paying the tip, because you have already paid it in form of service charge, however most of the hotels and restaurants never tell you this explicitly. However one of the exceptions I know is restaurant called “Barbeque Nation”, I could clearly see it was written in their menu that “We will levy 4% service charge on the final bill, and you are not suppose to tip any one (strictly prohibited), because service charge will be shared among the staff” . The ethics quality was as high as their food quality 🙂

So if your food bill is Rs 1,000 and service charge is 10% , then your final bill will be Rs 1,100 .

2. Service Tax

The important thing, you should be aware about is how service tax is calculated! . Do you know that, Service tax is only applicable on 40% of the bill amount, not the total amount. As the service tax is around 12.36% at the moment, the final tax you need to pay is only 4.944% (12.5% X 40%) on the bill (inclusive of service charge).

The next important thing you should know is that, only AC restaurant can charge service tax. If there is no AC in restaurant (fully or partially) , they cant charge service tax at all. This service tax goes to Govt of India. The service tax is payable on the bill amount + service charge. So if Bill amount is Rs 1,000 , and service charge was Rs 100 (10%), then your sub total would be Rs 1,100 . And your service tax will be computed on Rs 1,100 (not Rs 1,000).  4.944% of Rs 1,100 will be Rs 54.38 and your total bill after service tax would be Rs 1154.38 . A lot of unprofessional and small restaurants are found to charge service tax on the full bill and most of the customer pay because they have no idea what is wrong and what is right. Here is official Note on service tax

Note – On 3rd Nov 2012 , Bar Council by mistake interpreted that service tax is to be paid only on service charge, and it starting circulating over facebook and emails. But note that it was a mistake and later clarified that service tax is to be charged on 40% of the bill amount also. So dont fall for wrong information . Even some one posted it on our jagoinvestor forum and I myself believed it to be true !, but later decided to investigate it.

3. VAT – Value Added Tax

VAT is Value added Tax collected by State Govt. VAT is only applicable to the food items which are prepared inside the restaurant, because they “added some value” and then hand it over to you. So make sure you do not pay it on packaged items which are not prepared by Restaurant like Packaged food items, water bottles etc. A lot of times you eat at restaurant and also take a lot of packaged items, in which case VAT should be applicable not on final bill, but only sub total of the food items you consumed.

VAT Charges vary from state to state, but generally lie in the range of 10% – 15% . Like in Maharashtra its 12.5% , and in Karnataka its 14.5% . VAT is to be charged only on the main bill + service charges. It CANT be charged on the amount after service tax. So in the same example we looked about, the final bill after service charge was Rs 1,100 , so VAT at 12.5% will be Rs 137.5. Now total bill amount would be

  • Food Bill – Rs 1,000
  • Service Charge – Rs 100
  • Service tax (4.944% of 1,100) – Rs 54.38
  • VAT (12.5% of 1,100) – Rs 137.5
  • Total – Rs 1,291

29% higher Bills compared to Cost

You can see how various charges and tax can increase your final bills by 25-30% . So next time you pay your bills, just make sure your check, if all the taxes and charges are computed properly and as per rules.

Any personal experiences ?

Investors Bootcamp for 8 weeks – Report to Manish and Nandish Directly

Do you want to change your financial life in next 8 weeks and want to work with Manish and Nandish in a group oriented program online ? Read on ! .

People get on our blog, buy our books, select our services and purchase our products because they want to live a “Good Financial life”. Our mission as a team is to help every investor to live a Good FINANCIAL LIFE. We love what we do and it has been a sheer pleasure sharing personal finance insights with investor’s community every week on our blog. A smile on an investors face is our greatest reward; we want everyone to be prosperous. We see every reader as our extended family and we will always come-up with something new that you can engage with to grow as an investor.Today, we would love to share our internal commitment with you (This is what we STAND for as a team)

We as a team will always be of service to every investor. We as a team will design products and services that will help people to grow wealth. We will author books that will touch people’s heart. We will measure our life not with how much money we make in life but how many people’s financial lives we influenced with our work and thought process. We want to engage with projects and work which helps us to share our GIFTS with the world. We will always be surrounded and associated with powerful and empowering people in our life. We will set-up GAMES that helps us grow personally and professionally.

We thank every reader for always being with us and for helping us to stick to our internal commitment all the time. Your encouragement and love truly matters!

We have two BIG ANNOUNCEMENTS for YOU!

Announcement #1 – 8 Weeks Boot Camp for investors

The word boot camp comes from the realm of military. It is where all the tough training takes place. In a boot camp ordinary people dust their casualness and are trained to produce extraordinary results. We want to create such boot camp for investors who need assistance in living a good financial life. We are absolutely committed in helping those who want to actions in their financial life. We will be with you, guide you and will help you to design project called “Good Financial Life”. Listen to the audio below to understand more about this bootcamp (direct link)

With the help of this project you will get a chance to be with many other investors who will be taking actions with you every week. You will get an opportunity to learn from other’s financial life and experiences. Inside this project we will be with you for full 8 weeks and will assist you to take your financial life to the next level. As program participant we will provide you with the material, tools and support. Every participant will be assigned a buddy to work with during the project and you will report your weekly results to us directly on a closed facebook group. Your weekly results will be tracked and the structure of this boot camp will be extremely simple and effective. The mission of this boot camp is to “Live a good financial life” and nothing else. The only thing we will sell you for all 8 weeks or rather remind you constantly is the possibility of living a good financial life.

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Choose 1 ticket and click on Register Button below for making the payment. You will get a payment confirmation email after you register. First 10 members can use BOOTCAMP2013 for 1,000 discount

Announcement #2 : 8 weeks – Women Investors Empowerment Program

We feel a lot of work needs to be done for women investors and we don’t want to wait any more. We are starting a special small group for women investors. This program is designed to empower women investors. The program will help women investors in understanding personal finance in a better way.

If you a man and want your wife to learn about personal finance, this is a program you should gift to your wife. This group is for those who hate numbers, it is for those who are really bad with personal finance, it is for those who are afraid of personal finance jargons, and it is for those who think “personal finance is not my cup of tea”. Listen to the audio below to understand more about this bootcamp (direct link)

Once you complete this program you won’t become an expert but you will surely get comfortable and more confident in the world of personal finance. You need to see this program as your first baby step that will help you to become an empowered women investor. As program participants you will have to engage with short weekly assignments which will help you to improve yourself as an investor, you will learn to know your rights better and you will learn to get in control of your own finances.( At least some key areas for sure). Every week we will have FREEDOM DAY where you get a chance to ask the world’s most stupid question and we will be of full assistance to you. It is going to be a safe and fun zone for women to participate fully and an opportunity to kick start their journey as an investor.

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Choose 1 ticket and click on Register Button below for making the payment. You will get a payment confirmation email after you register.

Let’s look at what it takes to be a part of this PROJECT

To participate you need a small financial commitment, an open mind, a facebook account and lots of commitment to live a good financial life. So, if you want to be with us, you want us to assist you, guide you just be a part of our project “Live a good financial life”. You can click here and find out more about our new initiative and if you have more questions feel free to leave your comments in the comments section.

Only 18% of single working women make their own investment decisions

I thought of sharing an interesting survey done by DSP BlackRock along with a research Agency. An overwhelming 77% of working women depend on spouse and / or parents for their investment decisions, says the new DSP BlackRock study conducted by global research agency Nielsen.

Only a minuscule 23% of the surveyed working women claim to be sole decision makers, when it comes to their own investments. This figure is even lower (18% and 13% respectively) when it comes to the proportion of single working women and married working women who take their own investment decisions.

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The study, ‘Understanding Women – Usage and attitude towards financial products’, is based on a pan-India survey of more than 4,750 women spread across 14 cities (6 metro cities and 8 non-metro cities) to understand the women usage and attitudes towards financial products.

The study also examined factors that facilitate or impede their investment decisions, besides their attitude & expectations from financial products. The survey covered working and non-working women between 21 – 60 years of age, and included divorcees and widows.

According to the survey, while 92% of working women claim to be involved in the investment decision-making process, 70% of these women are actually joint decision makers and a majority of these, at 52%, are only informed about the investment decisions which have already been made.

Women are reluctant to Take Risk

The main reason why women don’t take investment decisions is that they are safety oriented and reluctant to take risk, the survey notes. Husbands also seem to dominate the investment decision making among working as well as non-working women.

While the proportion of Sole Decision Makers among working women is similar in metros at 24% and non-metros at 20%, in case of non-working women, sole decision makers are confined mostly to metros. The survey also observes that the proportion of sole decision makers among working as well as non-working women is significantly higher among the divorced and widowed.

While analyzing women’s main reasons to invest, the survey notes that future security and child’s education form the key reasons for investments, especially amongst women in non-metros. Although the desire to invest with an objective to become rich is lower compared to the other reasons, it is observed to be higher among women in metros.

Tax does not feature as a primary reason for investments among women surveyed.

Women feel controlled and disciplined about their spending

The survey also highlighted the safety aspect when it comes to women and investments. Women are inclined towards safety while investing and hence put more money in instruments that yield fixed returns. Most of the surveyed women also feel that they are controlled and disciplined about their spending.

When it comes to trusting various financial institutions, it was observed that women trust nationalized banks (88%) almost twice as much as they trust Indian private banks (43%) and foreign banks (24%).

Aditi Kothari, Executive Vice President and Co- Head Marketing, DSP BlackRock Investment Managers Pvt Ltd said, “This research was part of our Winvestor initiative to gather crucial data that can be used to spread awareness regarding financial independence amongst women.

We hope that this study is an eye opener to the alarming lack of women’s involvement in making their own investment decisions; and motivates them to take more interest in managing their own money.”

‘Winvestor’ is an Investor Education Initiative by DSP BlackRock Mutual Fund that aims to encourage women to start taking well informed financial decisions on their own by encouraging them to meet an advisor and to get interested in their personal finances.

What do you think about this survey and study done ?

10 tricks you can play to avoid unwanted marketing calls from Financial Companies

We all get unwanted calls related to credit card, insurance plans, newly launched policies, to upgrade our prepaid connection to post paid and god knows what all. I am generally regarded as a “super-cool” kind of guy within my group, these callers even try to break that good part of me. However, over the last few years, I have realized that no matter what you do they still come back to you with full dedication.

Tricks to Avoid Unwanted Marketing Calls

When I posted one simple trick on my facebook wall to get away from these calls, people connected to me reciprocated back with few other tricks which they try to shoo away marketing calls. Let me share those with you, so that next time you get that unwanted call asking you for making some investments or taking some policy or whatever reason, the chance they will leave you for next few months increases.

10 tricks to avoid Marketing Calls

Before I share those simple tricks with you (which are actually shared by others with me), I want you to know that the callers will only leave you when they come to know you are a “worthless guy” or you irritate them to the core.

Trick #1 – When you get a random call from banks, insurance companies for “a special offer only for you” . Tell them – “Sir, I lost my job yesterday” . You will instantly become UNTOUCHABLE for them .. and they will leave you in peace (for some months at least)

Trick #2 –  And if a life insurance agent calls I tell them my wife is a LIC advisor. In my case, he blacklists it immediately. There is no second call

Trick #3 – I just put my phone on loudspeaker mode and keep it aside…I put in an ok intermittently… finally the other person gets bored and hangs up…!!! Donno if the job lost trick would really help, but I would listen to the offer for sure !!!

Trick #4 –  I just say I’m not interested in marketing calls and request them to add my number to their blacklist. Again if someone calls me with same request I threaten them saying I am going to raise a complaint. This has worked well for me.

Trick #5 – Once I told them this is a police officer and a body is in front of me. have u killed him/her ?

Trick #6 –  I got a call from ICICI Bank selling credit cards. I denied and he asked for a reference. I gave him the mobile number of their CEO whose contact I had from a meeting 2 yrs back

Trick #7 – When they ask “How are you today?” Tell them! “I’m so glad you asked because no one these days seems to care, and I have all these problems; my arthritis is acting up, my eyelashes are sore, my dog just died.”

Trick #8 – If they say they’re John Doe from XYZ Company, ask them to spell their name. Then ask them to spell the company name. Then ask them where it is located. Continue asking them personal questions or questions about their company for as long as necessary.

Trick #9 – Tell the telemarketer you are busy at the moment and ask them if they will give you their HOME phone number so you can call them back. When the telemarketer explains that they cannot give out their HOME number, you say “I guess you don’t want anyone bothering you at home, right?” The telemarketer will agree and you say, “Now you know how I feel!”

Super Trick #10 – Tell them – “Wait a minute, can you hold on for 10 sec … and then pass it on to your 2 yrs old kid and ask him to talk to Uncle”.

Watch this youtube video below ( and you will get some good ideas on what to do?

Ashish shares his incident

Also it reminded me my interesting conversation with one of the tele caller, when she called me to ask if need Credit card from her bank .. I was going to railway station in my office cab and was getting bored in cab as it was not my usual cab route when this call came on my cell.. I listened and interacted very carefully what she had to say for trying to get me signed for credit card.. Replied all her queries about salary, work info, company info etc without allowing her to realize that all details were fake .. then she explained what all documentation was required in order to apply for this credit card.. I then asked her many questions which made her believe that i am really interested.. However she got shocked for my reply when she asked me: Sir, when shall i send my executive to collect all the documents?
I replied in very sweet and simple voice: Next year M’am :P .. She took a pause for few seconds before she realized what had happened, then she said thank you (in frustration) before disconnecting the call …

I was on speaker phone for this conversation and I did not realize that my colleagues were listening my conversation with this lady, until, they all burst in to laughter listening my reply for her last query ..

I made sure that i stretched this conversation for at least 40 mins so i could cover most part of my destination :) ..

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Pramod shares his daring incident

Once I get a call from ICICI to buy insurance (ULIP) though I did not want to buy but I was free so to pass time I asked the girl why should I buy insurance. Her reply was that you can save for my children and if something happens to you then your wife & kids will get money. She told me that it is a must for married men to buy insurance. Now it was my turn I told her that I am unmarried (I lied ;-) ) so she said “aap shadi to karoge hi to insurance to reqd hi hoga” I asked if she was married on which she said no. Then I asked “Madam aap mujh se shadi kar lo. Engineer hoon, 6 Foot ka jawan hoon, Kamata bhi hoon. aur tab mujhe insurance bhi chahiye hoga” Shockingly she said “Sir, why are you joking.” I said “no! I am serious. It’s a win win situation. Mera ghar bas jayega aur aapki policy bik jayegi. So when can I meet your mother? ” She put up the phone & since then I have got no call from ICICI.

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Sunil Date shares his amazing incidents

I got a phone call asking me if I required a loan. (Old days not now). I replied ” Yes I am intrested in intrest free-non refundable loan. ” Unfortunately the poor thing could’nt understand the joke.

I got another call from a tele caller. She ” Sir your number has been selected by a lottery and you are invited to such & such hotel on ..at .. for a presentation. And a free gift is awaiting you”. I ” If you want to give me a free gift then why don’t you visit my office and give it to me ? I will visit the hotel for the presentation after seeing the gift” .

I got another similar call . She “Sir you number has been selected by a lottery and you are invited to such & such hotel on ..at .. And a free gift is awaiting you.” I “Will you be there ?” She flustered ” No sir. My boss will be there” I ” Then I am not intrested”.

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Note – We understand that marketing calls are made by people due to their job and target pressure. We in no way disrespect them or trying to make fun of them. With this post, we just want to communicate the pain the other side goes through and few tricks shared by others to avoid those unwanted calls.

Do you have any incident to share with us?

4 reasons why you should avoid Health Insurance policies from Banks with cheap premiums !

Do you come across health insurance policies from Bank with surprisingly low premiums and with amazing features and benefits, which makes you feel you should not miss this offer? Today I will give you good enough ideas about those health insurance policies and will help you understand the limitations of those health insurance policies from the bank and why you should avoid them in most of the cases. Let’s start.

Health Insurance from Banks

Background about Health Insurance policies offered by Banks?

All the health insurance policies offered by banks is mainly a group of health insurance provided to all their banking customers in association with some external general insurance company. What happens, in this case, is that a health insurance company approaches a bank and tells them that they can offer a specialized health cover to all their bank customers with lots of benefits with a small premium. The best part of these policies is that there are no medicals involved, there are fixed premiums for all age group customers, very low premium, etc. On the first look, you will not even believe that something of that kind can exist.

But there is always another side of the situation and now these policies despite looking amazing to have lots of problems and limitations which you should know and then take the decision. Let’s check them one by one

1. Depends on negotiations every year

Health insurance policies provided by banks are actually an outsourced thing. So if you buy it from bank A, then actually its a policy from Insurance company B, the bank is merely an intermediary. As this policy is a group cover, the policy premiums and all the featured are going to be negotiated on a regular interval like each year or twice a year. Now the problem is that if the health insurance company feels that the premiums should be revised (for whatever reason), then banks can’t do anything and the only customer will suffer here because he did his long term health insurance planning with this policy.

The premiums of the policy can rise like anything in the future because the pricing of the product is very flawed in most cases because banks do not have much experience in the health insurance domain.

In absence of the right expertize with most Banks, the pricing could be majorly flawed. Though there are no published figures available, our sources at some Insurance companies say that it is an incessantly “bleeding portfolio”. We believe, any contract, in any field, which is not win-win,does not work in the long term.

2. Chances of association breaking in future

What will a customer do if the association breaks between the bank and insurance company in the future? Health care costs are increasing and its always a good thing to get your self insurance as soon as possible, now if after 5 yrs of running a policy suppose the association breaks, a customer will be left into a situation where he has to again find a suitable policy and who knows if he has developed some illness in between these 4-5 yrs, who will cover that. Here is a real-life experience from Ketan shah on the forum, see how he suffered when something similar happened with him

Dena bank 5 Years back came out with Scheme in tie up with Oriental Insurance for providing mediclaim at highly attractive premium i.e. Rs. 7000 for 5 Lac cover.

We hold various accounts with dena bank and as per their tie up we got ourselves covered (5 Policies) after paying 2 years premium, when the 3 rd year renewal came we were informed that the tie up with Oriental is no more there and the same policy will be transferred to United India Insurance for same Premium..

Now we have paid 2 years premium with United India and the 3rd year Premium we are informed that Dena Bank has increased the Premium 2 -3 fold for policies…

Now trusting Dena bank and paying 5 years of Premium which comes to almost 2 Lacs we are stranded and forced to pay high Premium for my parents and now we are in a fix If we don’t pay and we cant even change the company since parents are 65 +

we were assured that the scheme shall continue since it is bank tie up and therefore we got our previous pvt policy cancelled which had a very High Premium for my Parents (20000 for 5 Lac)
Please advice if we can approach IRDA for the same…

3. Limits on renewable age

Health insurance is a long term financial product and should always be bought with very long term benefits in mind. Having a lifetime renewal option is not just a wish, but kind of must-have feature in your health insurance policy and that’s where these policies from banks fail. They all have a limitation on the renewal age in most of the cases.

Even if the premiums are lower, what will you do sometime in the future when you really need that policy and it shuts the door for you.

4. Pathetic “service” issues

The service provided at the time of claim settlement is really a big parameter. Now if you have bought it from the bank (here bank is the agent), there is no “person” or “company” to help or assist you at the time of claim settlement? Whom do you mail? Who do you talk to? Who will you catch? Who will you blame? The bank due to its size and nature will not entertain you in a proper manner.

Also being a group policy, it some times gets very complex to understand their limitation and many things will be a complete nightmare for you as a customer. So it’s really a big disadvantage here. I want you to go through the following conversation on service issues which was done by Mahavir Chopra of medimanage and Ritesh sometime back. It will give you some idea about this aspect.

Bad Service in health insurance by banks

Overall I would say any health insurance from banks which are pure group cover should be just an extra health cover in your life. It should NOT be the primary long term solution for your health insurance needs. Its very important to have a large health cover from a very strong company with great benefits and strong service levels.

What do you feel ?

Should you become Priority Banking Customer? Are their any advantages ?

Have you ever thought of applying for Priority Banking with your bank (also called as Preferred banking)? A lot of banks offer something called “Priority Banking Solutions” to their customers who qualify the eligibility criteria. A priority banking customer is treated in a more special way and is taken care of priority by the bank. Let us talk about it in detail and does it make any sense for you as a customer to apply for priority banking customer or not?

Priority Banking India

Why does a bank have a Priority Banking Model?

The first question to understand is why do banks have a Priority banking model at all? The reason is very simple, to treat different levels of customers differently. If you want to harshly put it, then its just a way of keep a separate list of High Net-worth Individuals and focus on them more and service them in a better manner, because one customer who is eligible for priority banking will give 100 times more business/profit to the bank compared to a normal customer. A preferred banking customer will have a few eligibility criteria to honor, which is generally linked to his bank amount balance.

When I looked at HDFC Priority Programme, its eligibility criteria mentions this –

You are eligible for the HDFC Bank Priority Programme ** if you:

  • Hold at least one Savings or Current account, sole or joint, with HDFC Bank.
  • Maintain a minimum Average Monthly balance of Rs. 15 Lakhs across all your accounts (Savings, Current and Fixed Deposits*)
    OR
  • Maintain an Average Quarterly Balance of Rs. 2 Lakhs in your Savings account.
    OR
  • Maintain an Average Quarterly Balance of Rs. 5 Lakhs in your Current account.
  • The requisite balance can be maintained over your accounts and over those of your immediate family members.

In the same way, other banks also keep criteria for maintaining a high balance in saving bank account. That simply means that the bank would get lots of cash to use for their own business and naturally they can treat these customers very well. Check out this survey on the best banks in India.

Facilities provided to Priority Banking Customer

A Priority banking customer has few advantages over normal customers and gets more features. Some of the most common one’s are

  • Separate queue for in the bank so that you don’t wait
  • No charges on NEFT and RTGS transactions through Net banking
  • Free “At Par” cheque book payable at any Bank branch across the country, so you do away with the need to ask for demand drafts
  • Charges waiver for DD cancellation, Cheque return, Duplicate statement charges, Demand Draft Charges, Discount in Locker Charges,
  • Cheque pick-up facility
  • No charges on balance inquiries and cash withdrawals if you transact on Other Bank ATMs in India.
  • Many other benefits
  • Premium Credit Cards

However, all this is not so real and true

While banks list down these facilities on their website, on the ground level – there are many real-life customers who say that at the end of the day, you never get what is promised from these banks. There are a lot of things just on paper. Most of the banks just use the Preferred banking route to attract high net worth customers and finally end up calling then for investment products. A relationship manager keeps in touch with you (the target), he has all the information on how much money you have and when money comes and goes out of your account.

Here are 2 real-life experiences related to Priority banking from our questions and answers forum. Hope you get some good ideas from it.

Case 1 – Yogesh Shares his experience

There are no major benefits for being Classic or even Priority customer except some savings in NEFT charges and cheque book requests. I was HDFC classic customer for last 10 years. Around 9 months back they changed my status as Priority customer without taking a consent from me (same reason..as I opened some FD the bank) I just received letter that I am now Priority customer.

I did not notice any big difference of status being Classic or Priority customer.

The facilities they have are actually only on paper. Despite of a lot of follow up locker facility when one new branch had recently started and lockers were available, I did not get it. I was told to take some Young star policy in case I want locker. I denied this condition and the result was they did not allocate locker to me. So 50% discount is on paper. In last 10+ years I even did not meet personal banker for more than 5 times. My experience is personal banker keeps on changing periodically (on an average 2 years for each PB) and sometimes you need to trace who is your PB !

Question one may ask why I am still continuing with HDFC bank as classic customer. The simple reason is the bank is closer to my residence and with very less crowd.

In the last month I broke my FDs because of some reason and immediately they put my account into ‘Others’ category and again without informing me ! I could know that after they started charging me for account statement, signature verification/wife’s name change for mutual funds, NEFT transactions etc. So now I have instructed them to update my account as to ‘Classic Customer’ status as I still meet those criteria. Important thing to note…my Personal Banker did not take action immediately this time. That person told me s/he will forward my request to relevant department. Also at the same time this Personal Banker asked me to send request to know new Personal Banker !

Case 2 – Ayush Shares his experience

In my opinion there is no harm in being a Priority or privilege customer and using benefits offered by the bank (if they are of any use to you and are saving you time and money)

The main drawback here is, your name will go into their database as a customer with more money than some (or say lot) of others. This may result in some unwanted call such as credit card / loans / insurance or other banking products. When it comes to the actual banking needs there is nothing big that you will get. The relationship manager may keep calling you with information on new products.

My personal experience being a classic customer with HDFC is not so encouraging when the genuine banking needs are there. For example, I requested that I need a safety locker in HDFC branch but just like other customers I am on waiting list. In case I am lucky enough to get a locker, I have to pay only half the annual fee but will I get a locker is the question, that remains. You can save a few Rs. by saving on DD charges (to a certain limit), NEFT charges etc. but nothing big.

I am continuing just because I have all my banking /investment etc through HDFC and do not want to change and this classic banking is an added thing on to that account.

Conclusion

Most of the people have very basic banking needs, especially after Internet banking and mobile banking has arrived, your dependence on cheque books, Demand Drafts, and any physical visits to banks has reduced. For most of the people, anyways banking is just a small part of their financial life and they get most of the facilities and what they need from their basic banking account only. For them, it does not make a lot of sense to apply for priority banking . However, there are many investors who are heavily into banking due to personal reasons or for their professional needs.  For many of them, few features which come with Priority banking might mean a very big thing. If you are one of them, just see how much of it will be eventually used by you and then take a call.

What do you think about it? Would you like to become a Priority Banking customer or not ?

Is your Company Depositing your EPF money ? Are you Sure?

I don’t want to shock you, but there are tons of cases where employer happily deducts your EPF amount from your salary, but they do not deposit it with EPFO. This goes on for years and one day you come to know that you are stuck ! , because there is no EPF money for you. Your employer has severe cash crunch or is about to shut down and now you have to run pillar to post to claim your money. The whole situation gets ugly and you feel cheated, because your company never deposited the Employee Provident Fund amount. Now you go to Police and file a case against employer. But this all can be avoided if you are careful a bit, from starting itself.

Employer not depositing EPF money

How about making sure your employer is depositing your provided fund  money into your EPF account ? Before I tell you, how you can do that, let me first share with you some REAL LIFE cases where employer failed to deposit EPF money and employees are suffering ! . These are some of the examples shared by readers of this same blog over comments section in various of EPF related articles.

Case 1 – How Abha’s company didnt deposit EPF money for 2 yrs

Dear Manish,

Thanks for such an informative post. At last i do see some hope. Here is my situation:

Worked for this company A for almost 4 years and left them in Nov 2011 as they were downsizing…yes it’s been more than a year and half of torture they have given me thus far. Company is kind of closed now as I don’t get any proper response from them, CEO is just not bothered. Company first asked us to wait for 2 months to file the claim as it is a rule, did that patiently. Later came the story of change of PF office from one (under which it was originally registered) to another and that went on for several months

They kept saying PF offices are not coordinating among themselves, the real reason was even shocking and more disappointing, PF guys were not updating because this company didn’t not deposit our PF amount for long time (2 yrs appx), they however kept deducting the same from our salaries (was surprised how come there was no annual audit by PF office and how this company could continue doing so for this long), anyways they cleared things in January this year and said we have applied again. When filed a grievance online, PF person says we haven’t received any claim whereas this X employer says they have already applied. Don’t know what the real truth is but on the basis on experiences I have… most certainly it is the X employer at fault.

Another strange thing is, when I checked by balance online in January this year it looked fine (updated up to 2012… I do have SMS proof) but from last 2 times it saying updated up to 2010, I am worried if this employer has dome some mischief here too, is it possible for a company to take back money from an employee’s PF account or it is the issue with PF website?

I don’t want to apply for my claim via options you suggested above unless I see the balance updated. Thank you so much for reading thru my query/concern. Appreciate your feedback.

Regards,
Abha

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Case 2 – Balaji Company asked him to Wait till they deposit the Employee Provident Fund money

Hi Manish,

I switched jobs in August this year. Before I quit the job, I had submitted form with my previous employer for withdrawing the amount in my PF account. I had not received the amount due till December. When I called my previous employer, they told that they have not yet deposited the money and I will have to wait till March 2013.

My question is, is what my employer did legal? How frequently should the employer deposit the PF money with the EPFO? I have been working with the organisation for little more than a year now.

Thanks for clarifying.

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Case 3 – Sarabjeet Kaur company not replying her because they did not deposit EPF amount

I worked in an organisation for 2 years. They have not deposited the PF amount which they used to deduct it from our account. Its been 1 year I am asking them to refund the PF. They have stopped replying to the emails and have stopped answering everybody’s call. Is there any ways I can withdraw the amount? The firm is based out in Mumbai and I used to work in Delhi Branch.

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Employer can be Jailed if they do not deposit EPF money

An employer has no right to deduct the employee share from salary and not deposit it with EPF. There can be any excuse or justification for this, because its employee hard earned money. Once the employer deducts the Employee Provident Fund money from the employee salary, its their duty to deposit it with EPFO , and if they fail to do so for any reason, its a crime.

Whatever is the case, you can always complain about it with the EPFO department and the concerned officer has all the rights to proceed the legal complaint against the Employer and in the worst case, employer can also go to jail, because what they did is a criminal offence under section 405/406 of IPC .

Here is a real life case Shrikant Bangur And Ors. vs Shree Synthetics Shramik Union – where employer did not deposit the EPF money and there was legal battle going on . Here are the 3 things which you can do against your employer.

1. Complain to CVO officer – You can also email your situation and case to the CVO (chief vigilence officer) at EPFO, who is appointed by Ministry of labour for EPFO to look after these kind of irregularities. You can email them at [email protected]More at this link

2. File a Police Complaint – You can also file a criminal case, against the employer in police station which comes under the jurisdiction of your working office (not the registered one) . All you need to show them is the salary slip, which shows the EPF deducted, note that its always better to mail CVO about it anyways, so that the chances of local authorities influencing the matter will reduce.

3. Complain to  Regional Provident Fund Commissioner (RPFC) – You should also complain about the matter to the RPFC officer if under the EPFO office, which will be investigated by him/her.

How Employers Deposit your EPF contribution to EPF account ?

How exactly your EPF money gets deposited in your EPF account ? Here is what I found on this website

Employees’ PF a/cs are maintained under these two different methods are –

1) All accounts are with O/o the RPFC

Every registered employer remits the Employee Provident Fund contribution by challans to the RPFC’s Bank a/cs. which in turn gets accounted in the respective A/c No.of every such employee. And the employer submits monthly returns to the RPFC showing the details, employee wise of contribution thus remitted.

Every such money is maintained by the RPFC who in turn disburses, thro’ the employer towards refundable loans, F & F settlements together with accrued interest to the respective employees. Once in a year a ledger sheet showing the transactions of any employee for one full year is issued to the concerned. Similarly from the PF contribution pension contribution is divided and remitted to the Pension a/c. of the employees thro’ a separate A/c. code. This method is the largest.

2) The other method is called “Exempted Establishments (PF Trust)”

An employer/company who employs more 100 employees on roll is eligible to apply to the RPFC for “exemption” from maintaining the EPF under the above said (1) method. RPFC grants the “exemption orders” under certain conditions after examining various aspects. After which the Employer sets up a EPF Trust to be run by Employer (employer’s nominees & Employees’ representative (Union nominees) which manages all the contributions of employees & employer (excepting Pension Fund which is never maintained by the Trust). A set of Bye laws, in the lines of EPF Act & Rules is prepared & duly approved by the RPFC for running the Trust.

This PF Trust money is invested in the Govt.approved securities for earning the assured interest from which accrued interest to the employees’ PF a/cs is credited. The Trust once in a year prints the Employees’ PF ledger a/cs and distribute to the concerned. The Trust accounts are audited by the CA and submitted to the RPFC. RPFC also periodically inspects the Trust a/cs and oversee. Monthly, annual returns in the Forms have to be submitted. The convenience under the Trust is quick disbursement of loans, withdrawals and F & F settlements to the employees. Surplus, if any never distributed but any shortfall is made good by the employer.

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How to find out if your employer is depositing your EPF contribution or not ?

Let me share with you some steps you should follow, to find out if your company is depositing your EPF contribution properly or not.

1. First thing is the do not rely on hearsay’s here and there. It might happen that you come to know from some one that your company is not depositing your EPF money, but it might not always be true . Delays happens at times .

2. Every month on 25th , your employer is suppose to send few documents to EPFO department to intimate them on

  • Form – 2 (for new member during the month)
  • Form – 5 (detail of new joinees during the month)
  • Form – 10 (detail of left employees during the month)
  • Form – 12 – (Details of money deducted from employees salary)

3. The best thing is to first contact your employer and ask them for a copy of these forms for last 2-3 months, do double check if they deposited the money or not.

4. As per my opinion, the best way for a common man and most convenient option is to file a RTI against EPFO and ask them all these questions . Mention your EPF account number, your employer Code and simply ask if your employer has been depositing your contribution or not.

Conclusion

Mostly the big size employers might be depositing the Employee Provident Fund money properly on time, but some of the companies which are small sized or whose owners and management teams are unethical might be into these illegal activities of not depositing employees hard earned money. Its always a good idea to spend some time to be assured, in-case you feel your company is one of those who are not depositing EPF amount with EPFO 🙂

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