Why HUL has become Hindu Unilever Ltd

Do you know of any stock in India which has not moved in last 10 yrs ? Hindustan Unilever is one of them ! . Successful investors like Warren Buffett always advocate the importance of investing in stocks for the long term and not just getting in and out of the stock. But more than investing and holding for a stock for the long term, it is important to zero down on the right stock. Or you might even hold a stock for more than ten years and still make very low returns.

Hindustan unilever

Let us take the example of Hindustan Unilever Ltd (HUL), a company which used to be the largest company as per market capitalization in India, at a certain point of time. But in the last 10 years the price of the HUL stock hasn’t gone anywhere. The stock price touched an all time high of Rs 314.123(adjusted for bonus) on February 25, 2000. This price was never beaten until September 24, 2010, when the stock closed at Rs 314.65. On November 9,2010, the stock closed at an all time high of Rs 318.9. This price was again overtaken in early January (January 5,2011) when the stock closed at an all time high of Rs 325.65. Currently the stock is moving in the range of Rs 300-310.

So the point is that if you were a long term investor in HUL and had invested in the stock in Feb 2000, and held on diligently for 11 odd years, you would still not have made any money on the stock. What HUL tells us is that the buy and hold strategy may not always work.

HUL and the Hindu rate of growth

Raj Krishna, an economist, coined the expression “hindu” rate of growth, to express the slow rate of growth in socialist India, when India used to grow by around 3% every year. Krishna was not a great fan of the socialistic model of development being followed in Nehruvian India. He was a believer in free markets. So looking at this secular trend, year on year, and wanting to take a dig at Nehruvian socialism, which he felt was not working, he came up with an antonym for the word secular (Nehru’s other pet peeve), and so called this growth, the “hindu” rate of growth.

HUL has signified this “hindu-rate” of growth over the last decade. Let us look at some numbers here. The annual sales growth of HUL over the last decade sales have risen at the rate of 6.2% every year to Rs 19,987.1 crore.  Profits have grown even slower at the rate of 5.8% every year to Rs 2306.6 crore.

The does not inspire confidence among investors, given that the rate of inflation during that period was at similar levels. So in real terms there has been very little or even no growth in profits and sales. Hence the stock price has been flat.

The main business is facing tremendous competition

Soaps and detergents has been the main stay of the company over the years, and still contributes nearly 75% of the revenues. The company has very little pricing power in this category, given the increased competition that it has been facing. With a slowdown hitting United States, P&G has become aggressive in India. Media reports suggest that P&G is looking to launch its toothpaste brand Crest in India. That should heat up things for Close Up, HUL’s premier toothpaste brand. The cash rich ITC is gradually building businesses similar to that of HUL.

Over and above that there are newer players like Ghadi detergent and older players like Nirma in the lower segment of the market, which have been giving HUL a huge run for its money. To counter this competition HUL  has had to constantly resort to price cuts to keep the revenues going in this segment. This is likely to continue in the days to come leading to a very limited pricing power in its premier business. At the same time it needs to keep its advertising expenses high in order to generate a high brand awareness of its products and hope of increasing sales.

New Businesses not contributing enough

During its glory days, HUL’s strategy was to constantly jack up margins. The management graduates who run the company probably forgot a basic lesson in economics. When a company makes ‘abnormal profits’, new competitors enter the arena and drive away margins.

The margins also came from deteriorating the quality of their products.  What did not help was the power brand strategy the company decided to follow 10 years back, where in the focus was on 30 odd ‘Power Brands’. The ‘power brand’ strategy prompted HUL to withdraw from a large number of small markets. This has given an opportunity to many small players in the market. Some of these brands like Ghadi detergent are now seriously challenging HUL.

To its credit the company has tried to get into new businesses like selling water filters (Pureit). But these businesses will still take sometime to grow. Also the competition in this market has started to heat up with Tatas announcing their entry with Swach.

What do the analysts say?

HUL recently declared its results for the quarter ending March 31, 2011. While it managed to increase sales by around 14% to Rs 5,022.6 crore. But even with this increase in sales the net profit went down by 2.1% to Rs 569.2 crore.  Analysts covering the company came out with reports saying that the results beat their expectations, which is basically a polite way of saying that results were not as bad as we expected them to be.

Given these reasons, those investors who are still invested in HUL, its time they sold out.  This stocks is an excellent example of what John Maynard Keynes, the famous economist, said a long time back, “in the long run we are all dead”.

This is a guest post by Sujata Chhaper and the author can be reached at [email protected]

What are different sectors in stock market

Which one among Reality sector and Banking sector has given more returns in last 5 yrs and 10 yrs with lump sum and SIP way of investing ? Have you ever tried to find out which sectors among indian indices are doing well and which are not ? In this data-oriented article will take you into the world of different sectoral indexes on Nifty, like Bank Nifty , CNX IT , CNX Pharma , NCX FMCG and some more like those . We will see their performances compared with each other with graphs. Note that I have also taken NIFTY as one of the index to compare it with a broader index even though it’s not a sector specific .

Which sectors ?

In this study you will come to know about lump sum and SIP performance of various sectors for 5 yrs and 10 yrs time frame. I have taken the raw data from NSE website and done all the number crunching and graphing to come out with charts which shows you how money has grown in various sectors . I have taken 6 sectors ( Nifty , Bank Nifty , Energy , Pharma , FMCG) for 10 yrs time frame and 8 sectors for 5 yrs time frame (6 mentioned earlier + Reality + Infra ) .  We will see the results of 4 different scenarios and will see major learnings from those .

10 yrs performance [Lumpsum Investment]

The chart below shows the sectoral performance + Nifty for a lump sum investment of Rs 1 lac in last 10 yrs  .

 different sectors in stock market

Observations

  • Bank Nifty was the clear out performer among all giving a 12x return in just 10 yrs . That’s very good return . Energy sector came second and FMCG and IT sector gave the least returns out of all .
  • Bank Nifty has given 3x return after the crash of 2008-09 . Look at the big spike upwards . Till the crash Energy sector was performing same to same as Bank Nifty , but after the crash, performance of Energy sector deteriorated and it didn’t match up with Bank Nifty.

10 yrs performance [Daily SIP Investment]

The chart below shows the sectoral performance + Nifty for a daily SIP investment of Rs 1,000 in last 10 yrs  .

SIP Sectoral performance 10 yrs

Observations

  • The most insight full thing you can see here is that all the sectors other than Bank Nifty has given very close return if one had done SIP regularly . This shows both, the power and weakness of SIP . You can get more returns out of bad sector and less return from the strong sector .
  • IT sector performed very badly after the crash , but in the recent bull run , it has performed very well and gave superior upside .

10 yrs CAGR returns for lump sum and SIP investments

The following chart gives you CAGR return of last 10 yrs for both lump sum and SIP . Note that the values are approx only .

SIP and lumpsum returns of Sectoral indices in 10 yrs

5 yrs performance [Lumpsum Investment]

Now we will look at 5 yrs performance of various indices . The chart below shows the sectoral performance + Nifty for a lump sum investment of Rs 1 lac in last 5 yrs  .

Lumpsum Sectoral performance 5 yrs

Observations

  • Bank Nifty still leads the pack , the other sectors too performed good and are marginally poor . Nifty , Pharma and Energy come next best .
  • Reality sector was one of the best performers till 2007 , but then its performance went down and its gave a very high negative return on CAGR basis . When other indices gave above 10% returns on average, Reality index averaged -20% CAGR return .
  • Energy index has not made much movement in last 2 yrs from 2009 – 2011 , whereas Bank Nifty has doubled .

5 yrs performance [Daily SIP Investment]

SIP Sectoral performance 5 yrs

Observations

  • On 5 yrs SIP basis , IT sector has clearly outperformed other sectors and it was very consistent in that . Bank Nifty comes second.
  • Reality and Infra sector has performed badly and given close to ZERO return in last 5 yrs .

5 yrs CAGR returns for lump sum and SIP investments

The following chart gives you CAGR return of last 5 yrs for both lump sum and SIP . Note that the values are approx only .

SIP and lumpsum returns of Sectoral indices in 5 yrs

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Silver prices vs Gold Prices in India

Imagined what gave maximum return in 2011 or 2010? Well, was it Gold, Equity or Real estate? Nope! Hold your breath, it was SILVER and it gave huge returns! It is almost unbelievable that the price of silver as on Aug 2008 was around Rs. 20,000/ Kg, and it went to Rs. 72,000 by the end of Apr 2011, which was a 300% absolute rise in less than 3 yrs. But don’t get too excited, Silver in just 1 week has fallen like anything. From the peak of 72,000 in Apr 2011 end, it went down to Rs 52,000 in just 1 week. Can you believe that? A 28% fall in the prices of silver in just 7 days! Let’s explore more on this.

Silver prices vs Gold Prices in India

Gold vs Silver returns ?

Now a days there is a big debate going on different TV channels as well as newspapers that what should a common man buy? Gold or Silver?

In our country, Gold is something which every family buys because of the attraction we have for this metal. On any occasion, gold is the obvious choice. But Silver is not seen the way gold is looked upon. It’s generally limited to not so well off section of the society. This is one of the reasons why middle class or even richer one’s never considered looking at what’s happening in silver and if it can have some potential in future as an investment option. Gold, Gold and Gold was the only option when it came to buying some precious metal.

A lot of people are surprised to hear and see how gold has given fabulous returns year on year in the last decade, but now you would be more surprised to know that for most of the years silver has outperformed gold with good margins in terms of returns. For example, everybody knows that Gold gave 25% return in 2010, but not many know that Silver in the same year gave 80-85% return.

Silver has given 24% absolute return in just one month of April 2011. I don’t think it’s anything other than speculation because that rise was short-lived and in just 1 week (May-‘11 first week), all the gains made in Apr disappeared and prices fell by 25%.

Below is the chart which shows you the monthly price movement in silver for last 30 months. You can see how silver prices exploded in last 4-5 months (2011)

Silver Price in India

Factors affecting price of gold and silver

1 . Supply and Demand

One of the biggest and obvious reasons behind the price movement for anything is its demand and supply in the market. It directly impacts the movement in price. It is estimated that in 1950, the reserves of gold was 1 billion ounces, but by 2010 it increased by 700% to 7 bullion ounces (see the video below)

However on the other hand it is totally different with Silver, in 1950s there were 10 billion ounces of silver, but by 2010, it dropped by huge 95% and its current reserves are only 500 million ounces worldwide. A very obvious reason for this is that gold is mainly stored in form of bars, jewellery etc and its recycled again if required. However silver is also used widely in Industry in very smaller and thin parts which get lost and never reused. In fact, it is not possible to use it again because of its used in lesser quantity and in small parts.

Gold and Silver

2. Practical use in life

Gold and Silver are very different when it comes to its usage in real life. While both of them are precious metal and often used as jewellery, Gold has a very different image and can be considered as the undisputed king in this area. From millenniums Gold stands the most favourite metal for jewellery, in fact there is some kind of unseen connection which humans have with gold, which cannot be explained. May be it’s the way it has always been and it can’t be changed. But if you see gold as a useful metal, it does not have much to show off. It’s literally not used anywhere other than at a few places.

Silver on the other hand is also used in various industries and holds a very important position. In fact you can see it as “gold” for industrial use. Let me give you more info on this. Silver is used in Bandages, batteries, soldering process, cell phones, computers, satellites, high-tech weapons, laser and digital technology, electronics circuit board, solar cells, water purification, RFID chips and the list goes on.

Silver has more industrial applications than any other metal. A recent report by Hinde Capital says: “It’s the best conductor of both heat and electricity, the most reflective, and second-most ductile and malleable element, after gold.” The white metal is also being put to several new uses like-water purification, air-handling systems and a natural biocide.”

In last couple of decades, Silver is so extensively used in Industry that it’s reserves has drastically gone down. Just to give you an example, in the decade of 1990 – 2000, around 2 billion ounces of Silver was consumed. That’s a lot of silver!

3. Role as alternate currency

Precious metals are always considered as the alternate currency and wealth in pure form in any emergency situation. Gold is a universal currency and not dependent on country or any community.

In times of war, people fear that their assets may be seized and that the currency may become worthless. They see gold as a solid asset which will always buy them food or transportation. Thus in times of great uncertainty, particularly when war is feared, the demand for gold rises. That’s exactly what happened in Zimbabwe lately, where currency is worthless now and people are using gold as alternate currency to buy bread

Recent rise in Silver Prices

You might have heard lately about rise in Silver prices and definitely you might have felt that you “missed the bus”. Let me talk a bit on that. You have already read about the reasons of price rise in silver above. One of the biggest reasons is fundamentals of silver, it is a valuable asset and over a long-term, it’s going to be much valuable because of its use in industry, every industry requires silver!

But other than fundamentals, there are elements of speculation also involved, otherwise I don’t see any reason for 150% rise in its prices in just 1 yr and then a 25% fall in just 1 week. It’s going to be volatile.

To know why the price of silver fell recently , read this article . Please share your comments on Gold and Silver as an investment .

Pune Readers Meet & Workshops in Different cities

Did you miss meeting other jagoinvestor readers and our team ? I am sure many did in Pune, where we did an offline readers meet recently. On 30th Apr (Saturday) we conducted an offline readers meet in Pune and it was well attended by 20+ readers . There were some last-minute cancellations, buts its part of the game, we need to accept it . In this article I would like to share 3 things . First, I would share what we all did in the event and what kind of things we discussed . Second thing would be the two things which participants experienced and its truely amazing I can guarantee you ! . At last, the last thing I want to share with you is our offline paid events which we are planning to do in various cities some time soon now . Lets start !

Pune readers meet

Last week,  my team travelled from Ahmedabad to discuss some new and exciting things we are building and planning to launch by next year . And as the whole team was there in Pune, we thought why not have a readers meet and share some great things with them ! . We decided to have a readers meet at my residence and give a talk on what are the key reasons most of the people are stuck in their financial lives and how they need to change the way they are if they want to make things work .

No data cruching, no product talks ! , the whole talk was only focused on how we as human beings make mistakes in our financial lives which we have inherited from various other parts of our lives ! .

We started at 10:30 am and we ended around 2:00 pm. For all these 3.5 hours, there was a wonderful session on topics which were truly unheard of for almost everyone . It helped the participants to understand the real reason of what stops us from having a great financial life and why we are stuck in our financial life and not able to move forward ? We also did something called as “Money exercise” in between the session with all the participants (not in great detail , but just a small part of it) which we do with our clients as a “warm up” exercise. We knew that it would be something which would give some additional life to the whole session. Then we chose one of the random participants answer and discussed her answer in detail.

Nandish Desai, my teammate did most of the talking (mind you, he is an amazing public speaker and you dont want to miss listening to him if you get a chance). The event was full of real life incidents and fun-filled one liners which really helped participants to understand the topics in an easy way . The simple examples made sure that they can connect what we were talking to their own financial life ! . It was not at a heavy session at all ! . It went better than what we planned  and the feedback was great . Most of the participants really felt that some part of them has changed after the event and they are ready to go and implement things in their life from that same moment .

Nandish talking on session

The best part was that we also had Jayant, one of our clients in the group who shared with all how his life has accelerated and he has truely taken charge of his financial life. He shared how he took some tough decisions in his financial life which were pending from years  and he completed them. He had weekly/monthly targets and we were after him to make sure he does not deviate from his promise of completing them .He shared how he is almost close to be “debt-free” and his financial life is now restructured . He feels his financial life has become more simple and easy for him to handle and understand too. He also have more clarity on how he has to move in his financial life from this point of time .

Group sharing and its power

Group is powerful, because the sharing and experiences is manifold in a group. I would like to share two things which I am sure would add a lot of value to your life and that comes directly from the group we had in the event .

1. How shock therapy changed Dhananjay’s Health Life

Dhananjay, one of the participants shared a very powerful thing with all of us . Here it goes in his own words –

Few years back, I had to go for a medical check-up provided by my employer and I hesitantly went for it because it’s a headache in Mumbai to travel . As it was a benefit for free, I finally went for it , but not with full enthusiasm ! . I did all the tests and checkups which was to be completed.

Next day I had to collect the reports and I was finally out of Doctor’s room. Doctor was suppose to tell me the “results”

Doctor : “Welcome to the world of Diabetes” – Doctor said with joy, the moment he saw me and smiled at me !

Dhananjay was shocked ! , he had a blank face and truly speaking he had no words. How can he have diabetes at the age of 30 ? He was devastated ! . It all seemed like a dirty joke played by life on him.

Doctor : “So Dhananjay, what all plans do you have for next 4-5 yrs ? Because that’s all you are left with ! , you have no time 🙁 ”
Dhananjay : But Doctor, I am just 30 , how can I be diabetic and I want to ask you, are you really sure I just have 5 yrs left in my life ? There might be some mistake in my reports ! .

Doctor :  I feel sorry for you , but I can’t do anything . You have ignored your health to an extent that fixing it is out of question now ! . You want to see more ! , See these blockages forming in your heart , they will kill you much earlier , forget 5 yrs ! .
Dhananjay (almost crying now) : Doctor , I can’t believe all this , how it can happen to me ! , this is just not done ! , I don’t deserve this , my family needs me . I have not done anything in my life yet ! .

Silence ….

Doctor : Ok Dhananjay , Calm down ! . Can you share with me how are you feeling ? Can you tell me whats going on in your mind ? What is that one thing which you really want to happen at this moment ! .
Dhananjay : umm .. What can I say 🙁

Doctor : Ok Listen , The conversation I just did with you, Its not for the today ! , but future ! . You will hear exactly the same things from me ,  if you don’t take care of your health from now-onwards . Please do something about it and dont ignore your health . If you continue the way you are and ignore your health , believe me things will get more ugly then what they are right now !  So please go and start taking actions .

Now, you can imagine how the next day started for Dhananjay ! . It was 7:00 am next day, Dhananjay was wearing a sport shoe worth Rs 5,000 (which he considered total waste at one point of time) and he was running in morning . That first day, it was accidently raining heavily in Mumbai , but to hell with rains ! . He was running ! . He was now committed to change things and improve this health .

After that event, even though he gave excuse in other areas, but he never missed exercising each day without excuse. Not matter what ! .  After an year, when he went for a medical checkup again, there were no traces of any problem and he was 100% healthy. He went to meet the doctor personally to really thank him to change his life , but doctor was not in India . He was abroad now, but Dhananjay really thanks him from the core of his heart ! .

Do you see a link between what happened with what happened with Dhananjay and what happens with most of the people’s financial life ? Most of the people I talk to have ignored their financial life to such an extent that things become too tough to repair at times , I hope they get some shock therapy and can see a future picture of what all can happen with them ! .

2. How Soumya feels more responsible and an equal participant in her families financial life

On of our client and his wife Soumya were present in the event. At the end of the session, Soumya was sharing with us (not the whole group, but to us personally) that how connected she feels with her financial life soon after they have taken those actions which were long pending . Earlier she was not bothered about whats happening in their financial life and it was just the husband who cared and thought about it. But once they have taken charge of their financial life, Soumya now feels more responsible and a strong relationship with her financial life . She is now an equal partner of her husband in area of money. Now each aspect of their financial life is discussed jointly and they come to a decision together . I think this is real financial planning and at a different level than what we hear everywhere else .

It was great hearing Soumya’s experience and her feelings as they are unique and not so common in our indian families (read this) where only one partner is bothered and responsible for financial life and the other person with “Not-my-cup-of-tea” and “Not-interested” kind of attitude !

Offline workshops in different cities [Paid]

Now, I am fulltime on jagoinvestor and we have a dedicated team with each one of us having a unique area of expertise, we feel that we can now take our jagoinvestor movement to next level. Hence one of the things which we decided was that we will soon do value-for-money paid seminars and workshops in different cities in big groups which really adds value to participants and also help them in taking actions right then and there. We would like to understand first that how many people are looking forward to some thing like these workshops which would be a full 1-2 day event depending on the level of deliverables.

Hence we are capturing the data of those readers who are willing to pay a fee and participate in these serious events designed for changing financial lives . We are thinking of doing the first event by this June-July 2011. Note that this is going to be a high value , extremely relevent and action oriented workshop which will literally move you from that comfort zone and activate things in your life. You can literally consider these events as events which will plan your financial lives and help you move forward, if you were stuck from years !

What you can expect from the workshops ?

If you ask me – “Manish, Can you tell me in 1 line that what can I as a participant can expect from these workshops? ” .

My answer would be “Once you complete the workshop, you will leave the room with complete clarity about your financial life and you will be clear on the next steps to be taken” .

Apart from that we will also share many resources, tools and calculators, and many more action oriented exercises. This is what we have in mind right now, but we are yet to design it fully ! , so there will be much much more ! .  Take my words !

Please note that these will be paid events and not a free one.  Once we have many of people interested from a city, we would be sending details of fees , the program deliverables and what participants can expect out of it and many other information. Feel free to give your suggestions and ideas on these events .

Readers on email can find the registration form here

So are you ready ? Please share if you have participated in such personal finance programs already and what was the experience ?

An open letter to Health Insurance Company from its customer

Dear Insurance Company

    1. ,

Hi, I am your Mediclaim Customer. I am 30 years old, married, have a kid. I own a house in the suburbs of Mumbai and have recently bought a small car. I am well read, and hence fairly aware of basics of financial planning and securing my future. Yes, I believe in Insurance. I bought my first insurance policy (term life) when I was 23 years old. Yes, I know, I am the type of customer, who you vie for – I am the one who appears as “Sec A2” – target customer right at the top of all your sales spreadsheets and presentations.

Health Insurance India

I have been your customer since 2007. It started off pretty well. I received fairly good service from your end. But…lately, I have been very uneasy with our relationship. In fact, I think I have lost trust in you. OK. Stop getting surprised; I know you are  part of a group valued in Multi billion dollars ; I know you have presence in 100s of countries worldwide, you surpass all the solvency norms set by the regulator, and yes, your claims settlements are improving . But I have still lost trust in you. Can you help? Please give me your 5 minutes to explain.

4 years back, when I was 26 years old, I decided to buy my own health insurance policy. I had a cover in my dad’s policy, but my calculations showed that I was not covered adequately. I therefore approached a health insurance broker. He did a good job, helping me compare various mediclaim policies available in the market, and took me through how this whole mediclaim thing works. I signed up for the most attractive one (the one which had the best features and the lowest price).  I was proud I had done my homework, just like my dad would.

Two renewals had passed, when I received the 3rd years’ Renewal Notice. The renewal notice talked about increase in premium by a shocking 500%, with the reason “adverse claims ratio and Medical Inflation” mentioned on the letter. A premium of Rs. 3000 for 2 Lakhs coverage for a family of 3, has increased to Rs. 13000! OK, I understand Medical  inflation, but I am sure it wouldn’t have been grown more than 50%, then how was the remaining 450% increase in premium to be understood? Did I have a role to play in the adverse claims ratio you faced? Could I have helped avoiding it? At first, I was sure, the premium mentioned was a printing error, but when I realized it was correct, I felt cheated and went berserk. I called the Broker (who himself was shocked, and worried), set up con-calls with the Insurance Company’s representatives, escalated the matter to the regional office, all I received were templated/recorded answers….Phew…I finally gave up.

I refused to renew the policy with this company, and heroicly pledged not to deal with this organization ever. My Broker suggested I port my mediclaim policy to another player. This time, I made sure this player was an ethical, reliable name. I finally zeroed on to a large Insurance company which had an alliance with supposedly “the world’s largest insurance company”.

I moved on.

Cut to today, I recently received a call from my Broker, the health insurance company had removed the No Claim Bonus of Discount completely from my renewed policy this year, without citing any reasons at all. I got this strange feeling of déjà vu.  Forget prior information, I was expecting some communication from this big brand, but there was none. In this world of extreme transparency and hyper competition, I am amazed at this unusual apathy shown by the best of world Health Insurance Companies in India. (Read 17 Most asked questions in Health Insurance)

When I called the Insurance Company representative, all he said is that Medical Insurance is a “yearly contract”, and terms are subject to change on renewal.  A yearly contract!??!!? Whoa? When this medical policy was sold (twice by different providers) to me, I was explained various clauses in details like 2 years waiting periods, 4 years continuous renewals and the USP – “lifetime guaranteed renewal”. How can a mediclaim which assures lifetime renewal be a yearly contract?? Isn’t this a classic paradox?

OK, I know you are busy….So let me stop complaining, forget the past, and give you one more chance, the last one. Let me plan for my all critical post retirement/old age Healthcare costs. So now I understand the mediclaim policy is a yearly contract. I understand, you are making losses, you are unable to control the claims in Health Insurance and you are “forced” to make these “small” changes in the contract, every year. And yes, I should feel fortunate, that second time on, you atleast did not increase the premium by 500%.

I understand all that, but looking at the rampant changes you have been making in the policy wordings and process, I am really in a fix. I am now not sure what the policy would evolve into when I reach my old age. The way things are moving, the one thing, I am sure of is that the policy would be gravely different from what it is today (I am sure, a money making product for you, by then)

So, How do I predict the policy conditions and plan my post retirement healthcare expenditure?

Till when, and to what extent you would keep changing the terms? How do I assure myself, that the terms would be favorable for someone like me who bought his policy at 26, paid you premium, without claims for 14 years, from someone who is 40 that time and is buying a fresh policy??

Now, I am getting really confused. When you sold the product you encouraged me to buy these, clearly calling them “long term investment”, and now, on renewal you are calling it a “yearly contact”. Would you continue to guarantee lifetime renewals, or would you add restrictions on co-pay, remove no claim bonus, remove all large hospitals from the cashless network or worse, spike the rates by 500% every year, when I am growing older?.

Now, it’s all boiling down to plain trust. How should I trust a selectively transparent, for-profit organization like you? Is Mediclaim a policy with long term commitments or is it a yearly contract?

Would love to hear an answer. Can you help?

Thanks,

Your Health Insurance Customer.

Disclaimer : Though, the concern being raised is real, please do note that, this is a work of fiction by the writer. The Insurance companies described in this post, do not add up to targeting any specific company.

This article originally appeared on Medimanage blog and reproduced on this blog with their permission.

Balanced Funds Performance – HDFC Prudence vs HDFC Top 200

Have there been times when you thought of investing in Balanced funds like HDFC Prudence, but did not invest because you wanted to invest in pure equity funds with maximum exposure to equity? If yes, than you need to rethink this thought because balanced funds have performed superior than equity funds in some cases and given their diluted exposure to equity as compared to that of a pure equity fund, the returns are really worth considering. So here you go-

What are Balanced Funds ?

Balanced funds are Equity Mutual funds, which are not as aggressive and as pure equity diversified mutual funds and keep equity component in the range of 60%-75% and rest in Debt products or Cash. By definition you can see that Balanced funds are not exposed to equity in the same way as regular equity diversified funds whose equity exposure is generally 95% or more in an average scenario. Balanced funds keep a balance between equity and debt, with equity still being the higher component.

For example, HDFC Prudence keeps its equity allocation around 75% in most of the cases and rest 25% in debt or cash. However, Reliance Regular Savings Balanced is generally low on equity and keeps it around 60-65%, but from last some months, it has raised its equity exposure to 70%, but hasn’t touched its limit of 75% ever! . From tax point of view, any mutual fund which has equity component more than 65% is considered as “Equity Fund” and long term capital gains are exempted from tax after one year just like an pure equity equity fund .

Balanced funds Returns less risky than Pure equity mutual funds

As balanced funds are lower on equity exposure, the fall in case of market crash is lower than pure diversified funds. For example, during the financial crisis of 2008, balanced funds lost only 42% as compared with 53% drop in returns by diversified equity funds.

Lets also see another example of Reliance Regular Saving Balanced fund, its NAV was around 17.27 on 1st Jan 2008, exactly after 1 yr on 1st Jan 2009, its NAV fell to 11.26 which is 34.78% drop, where one of the best diversified equity fund from Reliance AMC called Reliance Regular Saving NAV was 30.28 on 1st Jan 2008 and it dropped to 14.05, which is 53.6% drop. After that in next 2 yrs, Reliance Regular Balanced fund has given a return of 110% , where as Reliance Regular Saving Equity gave a 137% return, which shows that Pure equity fund gave much better return than balanced funds in 2 yrs time frame (Jan 2009- Jan 2011). But the most interesting thing is to look at the 3 yrs return starting from Jan 2008 to Jan 2011, which shows that the return of Reliance Regular Balanced fund was 137% where as the return of Reliance Regular Saving Equity was 110%, which shows that if you also consider the crash of 2008 into the overall scenario, Balanced fund out performed Pure equity fund by a considerable margin.

Comparision of Returns from Reliance Regular Saving Balanced and Reliance regular Saving Equity Funds

Balanced vs Equity funds Comparision

Main Advantage of  Balanced Funds

Balanced funds have to maintain their ratios of splitting between equity and debt by fixed percentage. In order to do so, the fund has to keep on buying and selling from time to time which leads to the concept of Asset Allocation. So, if a balanced fund has a ratio of 70:30 (Equity: Debt) and suppose it reached to 77:23, the fund manage will make sure that he sells the excess part of equity to rebalance the fund back to 70:30. However in equity funds, if the ratio itself was 98:2 earlier, despite the big run in markets, the equity part will still remain around the same ratio and there is no question of asset allocation.

So the conclusion is that the asset allocation is the internal advantage available to Balanced funds which leads to superior returns over longer term, but in short term, balanced funds will not out perform pure equity based funds incase there was a bull run. You always have to give balanced funds a long time to see the performance.

Performance of Balanced Funds vs Equity Funds

Can you imagine HDFC Prudence out-performing HDFC Top 200 despite having a low equity exposure compared to HDFC Top 200? Yes, it has happened! Now let me show you some statistics which I found out.

SIP investment in HDFC Top 200 vs HDFC Prudence

Over the last 14 yrs from Jan 1997 to Mar 2011, if you had done a SIP investment of Rs. 1,000 per month in HDFC Prudence, it would have become Rs 13.6 lacs and return turns out to be 25.93% CAGR. However if you had invested the same 1,000 per month in HDFC top 200, it would have become 13.9 lacs and return turns out to be 26.20% CAGR, marginally more … Which shows that despite having much lower equity exposure, HDFC Prudence has given almost equal returns like HDFC Top 200, which in my opinion can be called out-performance. Here is the chart of how the corpus was moving in both HDFC Prudence and HDFC top 200 for 14 yrs (SIP of Rs 1,000/month).

HDFC top 200 vs HDFC Prudence comparision

Lumpsum Investments in HDFC Top 200 vs HDFC Prudence

Now let’s come to lumpsum investment. Imagine you invested Rs 1 lac in HDFC Prudence on 1st Jan 1997 and I invest the same money in HDFC Top 200 on same date. We both redeem our investments on 11th Mar 2011. Who will have more money? Answer is it would be You, You will have around Rs 24 lacs (CAGR return = 24.94%), whereas I will have approx 21 lacs (CAGR return = 23.78%). See the chart below to look at how the corpus moved per month in case of one time lumpsum investment.

HDFC top 200 vs HDFC Prudence comparision

Some more statistics on Balanced Funds

  1. In the last 10 yrs , the return from HDFC Prudence is 29.38% . Only 2 Equity Diversified funds has outperformed HDFC Prudance in true sense, which are Reliance vision and HDFC Top 200
  2. HDFC Prudence 5 yrs returns is 17.93% cagr and its more than pure equity funds (The best return is from HDFC top 200 at 17.90%)
  3. HDFC Prudence returns have outperformed all the equity diversified equity funds in 3 yrs time frame, HDFC Prudence returns for 3 years is 18.65% and the best equity diversified funds in 3 yrs time frame was Mirae Asset India Opportunities Regular with returns of 17.88%
  4. The average of top 5 balanced funds return in last 5 yrs was 15.88% (17.93 , 16.97 , 15.54 , 14.55 , 14.40) and average of top 5 equity diversified funds was 16.63% (17.9 , 17.63 , 16.88 , 15.72 , 15)
  5. The average of top 10 equity diversified funds in last 10 yrs was 27.67% , balanced funds was 22.57%

List of good Balanced Mutual Funds

List of Balanced mutual Funds

Source of Data : All the data is taken from Valueresearch , and for growth category of mutual funds , not dividend , All data as on 19/04/2011 .

Do you invest in balanced funds ? What you think it would be wise to invest in balanced funds compared to pure equity funds ? Share your thoughts on this HDFC Prudence vs HDFC Top 200 comparision which must have shown you difference between equity funds and balanced funds

JagoInvestor launches its Paid Services

Firstly I want to thank & acknowledge each reader of jagoinvestor.com for their immense love and support from the bottom of my heart. Each reader is like an extended family to me. It is clear because you read my articles I write, the more you read the more I get connected to you. I am always excited to reply you on blog comments and e-mails.

I am really committed that each jagoinvestor reader experiences huge financial breakthroughs in their financial life, every reader achieving financial freedom. For a lot of you, jagoinvestor is just a blog which teaches them about personal finance and makes them an informed investor; as a reader you may or may not be aware about our paid financial services. Today I want to share what was happening from last many months and what is our vision in this space. I also want to officially launch our services today which we are providing from last 15-18 months.

Around a year back, I happen to connect with Nandish Desai. He is a powerhouse of amazing ideas and carries a powerful vision which I never saw in anyone. It was very clear that he really understood the real requirements of an Investor and what kind of assistance a person needs in his financial life. It went way beyond traditional financial planning; his style is non-linear in nature. Rather than just focusing on financial data and giving solutions to rectify those, he actually worked with people on their day today financial habits and showing them those internal mistakes which is causing all the financial mess in their financial lives. He works closely with people to get them in control of their financial life by being a coach. It is not just a plain vanilla planner. His coaching skills are deep and transformative in nature. Nandish was also the main speaker at our Pune and Mumbai meets and lots of readers have already interacted with Nandish and Me at these two cities . We plan to re-launch these meets soon in future .

We were inspired by each other, identified our individual strengths and decided to collaborate and work together, hence we teamed up and now we are “Jagoinvestor team“. We then started serving some of the readers of the blog who contacted us and were committed in working on their financial life, as paid service. We started to apply coaching principles. We started working with them in a way which we believed really connects to an individual. After working with lots of clients and repeated experience, we came with something called as Financial Coaching, which I will explain below.

Jagoinvestor Services

For many it might be a surprise that we started our services from today, but it’s not the case. Let me share with you that we are actually providing our services from last 12-18 months, but didn’t open it up for public till date, as we wanted to make sure we dont compromise on the service quality. We have already served many clients till date which are from different parts of India and a lot of NRI’s across some countries who contacted us and asked if we had any services. We offered them customized services which helped them in creating a financial life which they always wanted.

This blog was there to serve readers and give them immense knowledge . This is going to continue and get better each day now onwards. These services are extension of our committment to serve those people who need our deep personal involvement in their financial life, so that we can closely work with them and serve them. Now we are ready to offer our services to everyone. Right now we have total 5 services and I will give a brief overview of those.

1. Financial Coaching

When you hear the name “Financial Coaching”, you get many ideas in your mind, you will relate it as a better version of financial planning, but you are mistaken. It is not Financial Planning, It’s the next level of Financial Planning, and it goes deeper than just financial data and your goals. It works mainly on YOU. It understands why you have messed up your financial life till date? It works on your relationship with money. In Financial Coaching you have a Financial Coach working with you closely , and not a financial planner !

Financial Coach is someone who stands for your financial success , who is a mentor to you in your financial life , who observes you , listens to your financial worries and identifies the flaws in your financial life which is causing problems and not letting you move to next level. Financial Coach will make sure you are on track with your commitment to improve your financial life, Financial coach makes sure you are on track in your financial life and take actions which forwards you with each action.

Let me give you an analogy. Suppose you are not physically fit and have health issues. What will you do? Read below

Model 1 : You go to a doctor and do a medical check-up. Doctor gives you a report and prescription to you on what to eat , how much to eat , When should you wake-up and how much exercise you should do each day. This is very much like financial planning where you get a Plan, actions required to improve your situation and overall roadmap. If you think, this is exactly what is required, you are mistaken, this works for only a very small number of people who are committed to stay on track and do things on their own. A lot of people are again lost in their personal life after few weeks and months and forget all this planning. They need an extra hand-holding to stay on track.

Model 2 : Let’s now see the same above example and see how coaching can help the same person in the same situation. Now the same person who has health issues gets a fitness coach. The coach studies person’s lifestyle, body, habits and designs detailed action plan for him. He reaches his residence each day in the morning at 7:00 am. The coach will make sure that he will complete his exercise in front of him, he motivates him each day to go to a next level in his exercise, and the fitness coach will observe him coach him each week/month. We can see that this model is more of action-oriented and not just solution-oriented.

In the same way Financial coaching works, financial coach does not just work on your data, he works on you. Financial coach re-designs your financial life and gives you a new eye to look at your financial life, he shows you NEW possibilities possible in your financial life which you can’t see yourself sometimes. He makes you understand how your situation got created, he tries to reach the source of the problem and attacks the source or cause of the problem, not just “the problem”, because unless the source of the problem is fixed, the main issues will keep on happening.

You can read more about financial coaching here

2. Basic Financial Planning

In general Financial Planning includes lots of things which can range from cash flow analysis, your debt management, Insurance and other goals planning along with Estate management. All of this important and everyone should aim to have it in their financial life. However what we feel is that a lot of people get stopped by this complexity and the denseness of financial planning. Hence we have come up with Basic financial planning which focuses on most important aspects of your financial life.

What if you’re Insurance Planning, Children goals and retirement is complete? What if you get guidance on health insurance and Emergency fund building along with this? Won’t you consider 90% of your financial planning complete? I am sure you will and many have told us that this is what the core of their financial life, and that’s exactly basic financial planning does. We make sure we complete your top most priorities in life and guide you on how to implement your plan.

You can read about Basic Financial Planning here.

Clients Testimonials

We asked some of our clients to give their feedback and their testimonial on how our services helped them in their financial life and what they think about us . I am putting up four such testimonials

Testimonial 1

“I wish I had gotten to know Manish and Nandish 5 years back when I started my professional career. My personal finance status would have been much more organized. I have known them for 6 months now and they have been singularly responsible for correcting my last 5 years of mistakes. They not just guide but more importantly educate their readers and clients. And that to me is their biggest contribution. Nandish has gone beyond the role of financial advisor to actually become sort of a personal mentor to me and I owe to him for bringing to my notice the most important SIP we all should make but usually don’t – “Health SIP” – investing every month in ensuring we stay healthy and fit.

I hope we will continue to engage for a long time and I wish them all the best in their future endeavors”

Brij Bhushan

Management Consultant , Gurgaon

 

 

Testimonial 2

I have always been grateful to my teachers in my school and my college right from my childhood because they were the one who opened me up to a sea of possibilities and an ocean of knowledge. I am educated ‘formally’ because of them. But was I financially literate? No. I wasn’t. I, then, went in search of quest for financial freedom through Education and subsequently Action. As the maxim goes if you ask the Universe gives, I came across Jagoinvestor blog and took a decision to pursue it seriously. You were my teacher encouraging me to learn about the most important aspect of our life, Money, which others ‘choose’ not to talk about either because of ignorance or because they don’t want to project themselves as running behind money.

Today (PRESENT), I can say, I am lot better in my knowledge of money than I was few months ago(PAST). Importantly, I am more confident of my FUTURE.

And all this is possible because of the awareness created by you guys. In short the most vital thing I learnt is Education combined with Action will lead to your Dream Destination.

Thanks a ton for that!!

Srinidhi Rajshekhar

Software Engineer, Bengaluru

 

 

Testimonial 3

My Husband and I are both in our late 30’s. While we were staying in Cambodia, about 1.5 years ago, I came across JagoInvestor and got hooked on to his site. I contacted Manish to help us do our investment planning and and he put us on to his team mate Nandish Desai. Nandish and Manish both worked on a detailed investment plan after understanding our needs, income etc and helped us be on track and motivated us to implement the plan. They are extremely professional and thanks to them we have a disciplined approach to investing now.

Shalu Mehra

Hiring Lead, Human Resources , Gurgaon

 

 

Testimonial 4

Once a girl asked to her dad “From when should I start saving for my retirement”, Dad replied”The day you get your first salary”. These words got engrossed on my mind, I started searching for guidance before I got on job so that I can save right from my first salary. In my journey I had been through various financial advisers who recommended me “Whole Life insurance”, “Ulips”,”Sick mutual funds”. With my research I knew everybody was trying to misguide me to attain their targets. I had been to big branded financial advisors but I found the same thing over there. I thought I am stucked, but to my grace I called Jago Investor on 25th Sept 2010 for the first time. After that no looking back I had been in touch with Nandish Sir, taking guidance on financial planning almost every alternate day and I wanted them to be my only financial advisors but due to certain financial problems I postponed the process but finally due to Nandish Sir faith I became part of there family on 22nd Jan 2011. I had read “Rich Dad and Poor Dad” where a Rich Dad, Business Man, guides a young chap to his journey to become America’s one of the Richest person called Robert Kiyosaki. At the age of 23 I found one named Nandish Desai, I am on my way to be what i intend to be. Thanks to Nandish and Manish Sir for their immense faith.

Kamaljit Ridlon

Deputy Manager
Kotak Mahindra Bank
Mumbai

Comments ? I would love to hear what do you think about our services and what other kind of services we can provide in future .

How will Budget 2011 affect you ?

How much will you benefit with this budget ? There are some direct and indirect effects on a common man due to this budget which we will look in this article point by point . There has been not a major changes on exemption limits, but there are some changes which aim to simplify the whole process of Income tax.

Budget 2011 India changes

Tax Exemption limit raised

Earlier the limit of exemption was Rs 1,60,000. It has been raised from 1,60,000 to 1,80,000 . Which means roughly Rs 2,000 saving for individuals. For women, the exemption limit is at the same 1,90,000 .

Senior citizen definition and limits

Senior citizen definition is changed. Now any one above age 60 yrs will considered as senior citizen, earlier this was 65 yrs . This is a good move as more and more people will be able to enjoy the benefits of senior citizens. The exemption limit for senior citizens was also raised to 2,50,000 from previous limit of 2,40,000 .

No Tax Return filing if income less than Rs 5 lac

This has been the best point of this budget , from years small tax payers who were having smaller salaries had to go with the cumbersome process of filing tax returns , But from now on tax payers having income of less than Rs 5,00,000 will not have to file their tax returns, if their TDS is cut by their employer.

But incase one has additional income from other sources like dividends, capital gains , interest from Bank deposits or Income from House and Property etc , in that case they will have to file the tax returns or they will have to notify their employer in advance about these additional source of income so that the employer can take these points in consideration and deduct the extra TDS. In this case employees form 16 will be treated as their tax returns. This change can be a bit of blow for tax return filing service providers, a big relief for small tax payers who are purely salaried.

“CBDT will be issuing a notification, which clarifies about the  ‘classes of persons’ exempted from the requirement of furnishing income tax returns. This will be implemented for the year 2011-2012 and will come into effect from June 1, 2011” – said Sudhir Chandra , CBDT chairman .

New category called “Very senior citizen”

There is a new category of senior citizen called “very senior citizen” in this budget. Any one above 80 yrs of age will be under this category and they will not be taxed up to the income Rs 5,00,000 . While this looks a nice addition, the benefits of this move should be very limited, as I wonder how many 80 yrs old will have their personal income more than 5 lacs in our country. But it’s would be a good strategy to gift a big lump sum to very senior citizen and let it be invested on his name and generate income for him.

Infrastructure bonds extended by one more year

We saw the introduction of Infrastructure Bonds last year which can save you additional Rs 20,000 exemption other than sec 80C. In this budget , the this benefit is extended by one more year . Which means that in 2011 – 2012 also you can invest in Infrastructure bonds and save some tax.

Insurance policies other than Term Insurance to get expensive

In this budget, our financial minister has warned all the insurance companies to have a deeper focus on pure risk cover. Service tax net has been widened to insurance policies which have “investment” component, which means ULIP’s , Endowments plans , money back plans and even return of premium term insurance plans will have a higher service tax on the premiums. Earlier there was 1% service tax on the premiums, but now it has been raised to 1.5% . Which means that incase your premium is Rs 50,000 in ULIP , you were paying service tax of Rs 500 earliar, but now it would be Rs 750 , which will be adjusted from the premium itself . So that gives another reason to opt for term insurance now ! .

Medical , Air-travel and hotels becomes Expensive

Healthcare , Air-travel and expensive hotels is set to become more expensive due to some changes in this budget. The changes are

  1. Health check-ups done by hospitals with more than 25 beds or those with air conditioning will now be in the service tax net .
  2. There will be service tax of 5.15% on  hotels where the tariff is more than R1,000 a day or they are air-conditioned restaurant that has a licence to serve liquor.
  3. The service tax on economy class airfare has been increased by R50 to R150 on domestic sectors and by R250 to R750 for international travel.

So you will have to add some more thousands to your bill incase you were planning to go on vacation with your family and it required air travel + hotel stay !

Day to-day basic items to get costlier

There is excise duty of 1% levied on 130 items which includes day-to-day items like tea, coffee, sauces, ketchup, mobile phones , soups and all kinds of food mixes, ready-to-eat packaged foods . This would mean a bit of cost increased on them .

DTC coming in 2012

Financial minister has once again confirmed in his speech that DTC will be implemented from year 2012 . As per this article DTC would affect the NRI definition and it would negatively impact them.

Employer contribution towards NPS goes out of sec 80C

If your employer was contributing towards NPS , his contribution was eligible under 80C , but with this budget while it will still get tax deductions , it would come out of 80C , which means that some space will be left under 80C for people whose employer was contributing in NPS . The person can now invest more in sec 80C because of this .

Tax Slabs India 2011

Comments ?

What you you feel about this budget ? how are you affected ? Do you see as a good budget or as a bad budget ? Download this great ebook by Livemint on Union Budget incase you want to dive deeper .

SBI bonds @9.95% , Who should buy ?

SBI retail bonds or SBI bonds are the latest offers from the State Bank of India. These savings bonds issue will open from 21st Feb 2011 and closes on 28th Feb 2011.

These bonds are offering attractive interest rates to investors which are better than even fixed deposits, however, it does not suit every kind of investor. Only if you are looking at income generation, these bonds will be good for you, but if your aim is capital appreciation, you will benefit by investing in PPF instead of these bonds.

Lets look at the details of these retail bonds . .

SBI retail bonds

Tenure and Interest Rates on SBI bonds

These SBI bonds will come in two variations. The first one is with 15 yrs maturity period offering 9.95% interest and the other option is with 10 yrs maturity period offering a 9.75% interest rate. Note that these interest rates are applicable only if you are investing less than Rs 5 lacs (retail category).

If you invest more than Rs 5 lacs then you will come into the category of non-retail investors for whom the interest rates are 9.30 percent for a 10-year bond and 9.45 percent for 15 years bond. The interest offered by these bonds is a payable yearly, which makes them a great alternative to Bank Fixed Deposits.

Following is an illustration which will clear a bit about how it works.

Ajay invests Rs 1,00,000 in 10 yrs SBI Retail bonds. He is entitled for 9.75% interest each year. So he will get Rs 9,750 per year for next 10 yrs . Note that each year this interest amount of Rs 9,750 will be added to his income and he will pay the tax on it accordingly as per his tax slab.

He can sell off these bonds on stock exchange incase he is getting a good deal . One more thing which can happen is that SBI can force him to sell off the bonds back to them if SBI exercises their “call options” , which we have talked about below ! .

Call option

There is something called “Call Option” in these SBI Bonds. For people who are familiar with “Futures and Options” , they know that a Call option is nothing but “Right to Buy” . So as per this call option, SBI has the right to buy back these bonds from you and terminate the contract with you much earlier than the actual maturity.

If they choose to “exercise” the call option, SBI will pay the principal back to you. For 15 yrs bonds, the call option can be exercised in 10th yr and for 10 yrs bonds, the call option can be exercised in 5th yr. Note once again that it’s the right of SBI, not yours.

For example: If you buy 15 yrs bond in 2011, then if SBI wants to buy back the bonds after 10 yrs which is the year 2021, they can do it. In which case, they will pay back the principle amount to you and close the contract.  But in case they dont want to do it, they will continue the bond and you can’t do anything :).

How to Apply for SBI Retail Bonds

 

There is no way to apply for these bonds online. You will have to physically go to SBI Bank and get the form from there and fill it up  (See the list of all the designated branches of SBI in PDF and EXCEL format, thanks to Babu for providing the list).

However, these bonds will be issued in Demat form only and therefore you will need to have Demat account for buying these Savings Bonds from State bank of India. So be clear on two points

  • You need to have Demat account to apply for these SBI Bonds
  • For applying you need to go to SBI Bank Branch and fill-up the form , there is no way to apply online

sbi retail bonds summary

Listing on Stock Exchange

One great thing about bonds is that they are listed on a stock exchange so that you can buy and sell them in the secondary market in case you want to exit from it before maturity. SBI retail bonds will also list on the stock exchange after 1 month of the issue, after which you can buy or sell them on the stock exchange.

Last time when SBI came with a similar issue, the buyers benefited a lot because the bonds listed at 5% premium on the first day itself, so there was an instant 5% gains for those who bought these bonds. However, there is no guarantee that it will happen again.

Taxation

The interest which you get from these bonds will be taxable. The interest will be added to your salary and taxed accordingly. Also, these bonds do not give you any tax benefits on investment amount and are not covered under sec 80C. So effective return for these bonds will be much lesser for investors in 20% and 30% bracket post-tax. Watch this video on 7 tips of saving tax

Should you Invest in these bonds?

So the main question anyone will ask is “Should I invest in these bonds?“. It would depend on your goal as an investor. Just by looking at 9.95% you cant say that its the best investment. Note that the interest payout if yearly. It’s not compounded like your PPF or FD’s. This means that the returns do not earn anything on it later, but its paid out to you.

So in case, your goal is to generate yearly income at decent rates, It would be a nice investment. However if your goal is capital appreciation and you are looking at the growth of your investments, these bonds would not be the best option. Note that even PPF would give more money to you at the end.

Below is a chart that shows the yearly amount you have got by the end of each year.

SBI bonds vs PPF

SBI bonds vs PPF

You can see that in the case of PPF you are having more money with you even though the interest you get on it is just 8% because of the compounding of money which is happening there .. However, in the case of SBI bonds, it’s not the case.

Here the reinvestment of those yearly payouts is not taken into consideration. So the point here is that if you want yearly income, only then these bonds make sense.

What about interest rates in the future?

But the only suspense is what will be the interest rates in the coming years? What you don’t know is how interest rates will move in the long-term and if interest rates offered by these bonds will look attractive in the future?

SBI might not be too dumb to offer these returns for such a long-term. Here is an except Deepak Shenoy …

“why is SBI doing this? They don’t need to. They’re really smart people. Let me reiterate that. SBI has extremely smart people. If they could have offered a lower rate, they would have. That means this is actually a low rate compared to what they expect rates to go to.

Meaning, there will be more rate hikes, and the 9.95% that looks good now, won’t look so great if you can get, say, 12% outside. (Don’t tell me 12% is out of reach, please. Even 10% was out of reach a couple of years ago) So that’s the risk – the feeling of regret if rates go up to 12% – in fact, you will think of it as a “loss” because the market value of the bonds will be below par, in that case.

But if you have a different view on interest rates or can swallow such regret, go ahead.”Excerpts from Deepak Shenoy on his blog post.

Some Great Advice from Experienced Investor

In case you are going to buy these bonds, you need some real-life tips.  One of the readers Mr. Sundar shares some good and worthy points based on his experience of applying in these SBI bonds in 2o10. Read it below …

1. Apply in retail quota and do it on the first day. It is first to come first depending upon the day. I applied for HNI Quota and failed. Retail gets preference over HNI. Read the offer document carefully.

2. Those who apply for 15-year bonds get first preference over the 10-year bond applicant. Read the offer document carefully. So don’t apply for 10 years if you want to improve your chances of allotment.

3. SBI Bonds are listed on the NSE as N1 and N2. Go to NSE Website and search for SBI equity. You will get SBI, N1, and N2. Trading per day is not that good. 15-year bonds are trading with a premium of 4% (N2)and 10 years (N1)at 2.5% as of yesterday.

4. On the whole this offering is good. But if you are looking for holding it up to maturity you will be shocked to know that the gains will be treated as interest and not as capital gains. So it will be better to sell this bond in the market in which case it will be treated as capital gains on Debt Funds.

Unfortunately, the trading is small and only small lots can be sold on a per-day basis. See the trading pattern on NSE.

Other Features

  • There is no Loan facility on these bonds. You will not be able to pledge these bonds for taking the loan.
  • The minimum investment is Rs 10,000 and the maximum is Rs 5,00,000 for the retail investors.
  • NRI and PIO can’t apply for these bonds
  • CRISIL has assigned a rating of “AAA” to these bonds which comes into the “safe” category.

Comments? Have I missed anything in the article which you want to point out? Are you investing in these bonds?

LIC Bima Account Policy [with Return analysis]

LIC Bima Account is the latest product launched by LIC of India on this festive tax season (generally known as JFM, JAN-FEB-MARCH, Tax saving season). There are mainly two varieties of this insurance plan called LIC Bima Account 1 and LIC Bima account 2, which differ a bit in terms of premiums, tenure, etc. No wonder that it’s the best time to launch the insurance plan as everyone is looking forward to investing in tax-saving, and when something has a tag of “Guaranteed returns” + “LIC” , its an instant favorite :).

LIC Bima account comes under sec 80C, you can save income tax on the amount invested.  A lot of risk-averse investors will be investing in these plans. However, It’s important to know what these plans have to offer in terms of returns and see if it’s as transparent as it looks like. The company claims to pay a 6% return, but will it be 6% by the time it reaches your hand? Let’s look at it.

LIC Bima Account

Did you notice the above picture? It’s very much related to our financial services industry. Every other financial product has a face, which is shown to public, but if you analyze it further and look at  it from the mirror of IRR, you can see its real face which is too horrifying sometimes .. Be it ULIP’s, Endowment plans and even PMS schemes, every other product has some real face which we need to find out . I have tried it find the real face of LIC Bima Account policy here. It’s up to you to decide is it beautiful or not!

Features of LIC Bima Account 1 and LIC Bima Account 2

The chart below gives you an idea of both the variants of the policy. While LIC Bima Account 1 is for investors who can pay smaller premiums, Bima 2 is for investors who are looking fo paying higher premiums.

LIC BIMA ACCOUNT INSURANCE PLAN

The lock-in period for these policies is 3 yrs, You can surrender the policy after paying the premium for 1 yr, but you will be paid back only after completion of 3 yrs lock-in period. The common part of both the plans is that you will get 6% returns from these plans if you continue paying the premiums till maturity, but only 5% return if you make it as paid-up policy. There will be a bonus also paid by LIC in these plans, but it would depend on the company experience with the plan and bonus is not guaranteed. Also the bonus will only be applicable for investors who have completed the whole tenure.

Important: Taxation of LIC Bima once DTC is in Force

Another important point worth nothing is taxation of LIC Bima Account policy after the Direct Tax Code is in effect. As per DTC, the tax exemption will be allowed only if the Sum assured is more than 20 times the yearly Premium, however, both LIC Bima Account 1 and LIC Bima Account 2 offers options where a person can choose Sum Assured which is less than 20 times the yearly premium (see the chart above).

In that case, they will be able to claim the tax deductions in this current year and next year also, however there after they won’t be able to claim any deductions on this policy. I am not sure how many investors are looking at this point. The majority of investors in LIC Bima are going to be from small cities, who will definitely have no idea about this taxation point.

Commission for agents in LIC Bima Account 1 & 2

So what is the commission LIC agents will make from selling these policies? Here are the numbers shared by an LIC agent with me over the phone.

  • 16.5% for first year
  • 3.5% for the second and third year
  • 2% for 4th year onwards

What are the returns from LIC Bima plans?

This is where one has to pay attention to. Note that the returns of 6% are offered only in the Net amount invested (Final Amount in the charts below). We will take an example of LIC Bima account 2 Plan 806 below which I got from. Suppose you invest 1,00,000 per year in this plan for tenure of 10 yrs,  then at the end of the tenure you will receive 12,36,911, guess how much actual return does it translate to? So we have to do an IRR analysis for this to find out the actually CAGR return an investor will get. As per IRR analysis, the returns turn out to be 4.217 %. So this is the return an investor would earn in 10 yrs, note that is the return without considering any bonus.  For investors who will make the policy paid up or surrender it, for them the IRR would be drastically low and might be as low as 0% or negative also depending on how early investor makes it paid up.

Look at the chart below which shows you the IRR analysis for LIC Bima Account 2 policy, The numbers below are provided by an LIC agent over email to me.

LIC bima account insurance plan returns

So the main point here is that why is an investor not informed about the actual return which he gets in his hand? Why the returns of 6% are shown in a way that common public will not be able to find it out. One can also show the returns like 9% or 10% and then increase the charges to such a level so that the investors in hand returns are just 4-5 %. These plans are going to generate a lot of attention and crores and crores will be generated. Do you feel it can be called misselling or Mis-use of Public trust, as the returns are in a way misleading? This is a question from you as an investor !.

A trusted source Dhawal Sharma had a talk with LIC Development Officer and here is what he found out –

I met with an LIC DO yesterday and he explained to me that BIMA ACCOUNT is for someone looking for other option than Saving Bank Account and thus the name.. Bank Account gives 3.5% and here it is with Minimum Guarantee of 6%, that too with Insurance Cover and tax benefit.

It’s another LIC stunt of JFM (JAN-FEB-MARCH) Tax saving season..Remember, LIC launched WEALTH PLUS last year on 8th FEB…Crores of policies were sold and crores of premium was raised by LIC in 2 months flat..I am eye-witness to last year’s madness when LIC agents were asking people to come along with FILLED FORMs for WEALTH PLUS and public obliging..and there we were, the KOTAK (or PVT PLAYERs) doing everything for the client but still being made to look second-grade in comparison to LIC..That the NAV of WEALTH PLUS now is Rs 9.63 is a different matter altogether 😉 Just wait and look for a new product from LIC every year in FEB..

Actually its not misselling, its MISSUSE of the TRUST that people have in LIC..”Whatever LIC come up with must be good” according to Indian public and thus the result..

Note that the actual returns from LIC Bima after considering the non-guaranteed bonus will be higher, but still it would hardly be attractive enough.

Comments? Are you buying it? What kind of investors should buy LIC Bima Plan?