Jagoinvestor

July 4, 2010

The EMI Disease

“A dog held a juicy bone in his jaws, as he crossed a bridge over a brook. When he looked down into the water he saw another dog below with what appeared to be a bigger juicier bone. He jumped into the brook to snatch the bigger bone, letting go, of his own bone. He quickly learned, of course, that the bigger bone was just a reflection, and so he ended up with nothing!”

What do we learn from this short story?

Some thing, really similar to this story is happening in our lives – where the bridge which we are cross is our lives, the bone is our home,(or car or any thing we own) and the “other dog” is none other, than the people around us, our friends at work, neighbors, relatives, etc., who might have a bigger home than us, a better car or a more expensive LCD.

Does that mean that we also need to run towards that bigger bone? Yes? No? There is no harm in fulfilling our needs. As our families grow, and our need for comfort increases, we are bound to buy bigger homes, better cars (read more expensive) et al… And while we are at it, why not buy that much bigger LCD or enjoy that international holiday with the family? The EMI system changes our “wants” into “needs”.

Is Installment system of payment bad?

Definitely NOT! It’s a very convenient way of buying things, but the problem is that the EMI way of buying, gives a lot of people the feeling that they can afford anything which comes their way. And there lies the problem! A sizable chunk of people believe, that they need a bigger bone (when they actually don’t) and the easy availability of everything, in EMIs plays a large role in said belief. The EMI is such a beautiful concept, that even a person with a salary of 30k can buy a helicopter!

Why not? Just 9999 per month, for the next 200 years! Does he need it? Who cares? He can afford it! The problem is not the EMI concept in itself. The problem is us – losing our control on our spending and extending our affordability horizon to such great lengths, that we have everything in our life; but most of it is under debt.

Our home and our car are the two classic examples of this. Let’s talk about home. I don’t have much data, but my instinct says that most of the people who have taken a home loan are living in a much bigger home than they need. As per an in-house study, (through a poll,) I found out that as much as 67% of the readers on this blog or urban net-savvy people are paying at least 1 EMI, which would mostly be a house or car loan EMI. It was astonishing to see that 11% of readers here pay more than 3 EMIs! That’s too much!. Make sure that your EMIs are not more than 50% of your total, in hand (net), salary.

Number of EMI's paid

Affordability of  EMI vs affordability of Loan

If you tell a person, the EMI of a product, chances are that they will believe that he/she can afford it, as compared to when you tell them the actual price of the product. The problem lies in the numbers. The lower the number, the more affordable it becomes! However, this is not true! Actually, the more you reduce the EMI figure, the longer the tenure, and hence the total cost for you over a long period of time increases drastically!

Let’s take some products –

Home Loan

A classic example is the Home Loan. When a person plans for a loan, he makes sure that the EMI figure is affordable to him and does not concentrate much on the final value. For example, consider a person earning 50k per month. The EMI for a home worth 30 lacs @10% will be Rs 39,645. This may look unaffordable to him, so he increases the tenure to 20 yrs instead of 10, and brings down the EMI to 28,951/- Magically, this same home starts looking affordable to him!

What they concentrate upon, is the initial years, and not the big picture. They might not be considering some important points… like what if interest rates increase to 14%? In which case, the EMI will go up to 37000/-! These are young, recently married individuals, who have no idea of where they will be working in next 5 yrs. Will they be in the same job or same Industry? What will be their liabilities then? A close look at Real Estate Returns in India

I am not sure if a 3 BHK is the right choice for a recently married couple who has no one else with them, to live with. The justification can be that in future they may require it, however, if that’s going to happen in the next 15-20 years, a 1 BHK or 2 BHK is a better choice. It’s better to live in a 1 BHK and breathe easy, rather than a 3 BHK and suffocate every day from the burden of the heavy EMI. Here’s a good article on Home Loan EMI calculation.

Calculate your EMI

Car Loan

A lot of people buy a car before a home, as the EMI is affordable and the car adds to their comfort. I know a lot of people who can easily manage their life with a bike or without a vehicle, but have bought a car for reasons only known to them. There are just 2 people in the family, both have company transport, aren’t really outgoing, but they have a car. Not sure why!

A car is a depreciating asset. This means, that when you buy a car on loan, you are paying more money for something, whose value is coming down day by day, unlike your home. So buy a car, only when it’s really important or your comfort gets bigger than your simplicity when commuting is a problem.

The main problem again, is people buy cars that are much bigger and costlier than what they can afford and need. If you are in the starting phase of your career and have no more than 4 people in the family, why take anything beyond a Santro or Zen? You can always buy that dream car when you are more stable in your career and the other important things in life are taken care of.  My views may be biased because I am not a car or vehicle lover, so all car experts might disagree with me here 🙂

Holiday/LCD/Camera/Air Tickets

IRCTC has started giving air tickets on 6 equal EMIs! There is no catch! You can buy a ticket worth 3k today and pay 500 a month over 6 months. The only catch, is that this makes many people feel that they can afford it now. A student who was earlier traveling second class in train or at most, 3rd AC will not just be tempted but will believe that he can afford air travel now, which he couldn’t if he had to shell out 3k in one go.

Just because it’s a smaller chunk, we tend to buy things that we don’t need and can’t afford. The holidays are a perfect example! We Indians, are earning very well in this new decade, thanks to the opening up of our economy and IT sector especially. Our future earnings are more predictable now, compared to the past and this is the reason why most of the products are available on EMI; which makes us buy today and then pay for it for the next couple of years.

Conclusion

There is nothing wrong with buying things on EMI, as long as you know what you are doing, and then only if you really need it. Don’t run after everything you can get on EMI, and don’t drown yourself in so much debt, that it gets tough to come out. Save a good amount for the down payment and take debt only when buying something becomes inevitable. An early Start in Saving today will make your wealth overtime.

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veda
veda
8 years ago

DuDe,

I am be late here,

But, your Math story has helped me for the future.

Hope you have great future articles!

Ansar
Ansar
8 years ago

Hi Manish Chauhan,

I got a chance to read this article only today. After reading this article, I have become your fan. I am sure, I will read all your articles as soon as possible.

Thanks

Regards
Ansar

Abhi
Abhi
8 years ago

Thank Manish Sir,

Your all hard work made me understood how EMI works actually … like Principle and Interest part. Nice and Brilliant work.. Thanks for helping me out.

Some piece of info i needed further:-.
1.) As a thumb rule … how much once should consider (%age) of take away income to invest in EMI ?
2.) What combination of EMI / Tenure / Loan_amount will efficiently manage the total amount i am going to shell out to bank. For example: I dont want to pay hand earned money for interest part …. just want that formula or calculation so that majority of EMI part will build my Principle only?
3.) Is interest on home loan is monthly compound interest or else?

Regards,
Abhi

rohan
rohan
9 years ago

Dear Manish, I am surprised we are discussing about EMIs but what about income tax benefit that also comes along with the real estate investment. arent you saving money there. apart from affordability and convenience that we have talked about in previous conversations.

Guruprasad
Guruprasad
9 years ago

Hi Manish,
I have taken loan of amount Rs 28 Lacs at 10.75% interest for tenure of 15 years. My EMI is Rs 31,387/- . But for first three EMI’s (28th June,28th July,28th Aug) I paid EMI of 32000/- and later on 1st Oct 2014 I paid Rs.50,000/- towards principal and as usual 28th Oct Rs 32000/- was deducted towards EMI. So, when I checked interest charged on 28th Oct 2014 it was Rs.24,107. Later on 5th Nov 2014 I paid Rs 60,000/- towards principal and as usual on 28th Nov 2014 EMI of Rs 32000/- was deducted. But when I checked interest charged on 28th Nov 2014 it was much higher than previous month (Rs.24,384) in-spite of me paying Rs 60,000 extra toward principal. Informed bank about this issue but did not get proper reply till now. Can you please let me know if interest calculated by bank is correct?

ppatil
ppatil
10 years ago

Hi Manish.

Just saw this article ,I agree with your point but not sure completely. I think you really forgot to mention about few imp aspect of buying decision in terms of EMI . Let me put this way , the buying decision on EMI OR not buying entirely depends on “what” ,”when”,”why”. so if i have to explain , i will give my situation first thing i did after getting job in Pune was i booked flat . for me calculation was i am young and can carry of loans even for longer period . i booked 3 BHK at 20 L EMI was way over my 50% in hand at that time but i was confident of my ability to carry off loan and about future earning. 9.5 years down the its “market price” is 1.5 Cr and i have closed loan last year. I wonder if i had not taken “risk” at that time …. BTW my need was 1 BHK 🙂

Second point is “Why” , now it has some EI quotient to it. lets take your example of car . Everybody will agree its deprecating asset. i will give real life example here too , one of my friends relative had a dream of owning SUV like vehicle since that person was say 30 years of age ( at those old time JEEP later his love was SUV) , he was really really passionate about it , he had plans to go on india tour . he was able to gather enough money and got 4X4 tata Safari with “NO EMI” ( at age of 50) and before india tour he passed away due to heart attack. i wonder if he had option of buying car with “EMI” would it had been wise decision?

Whats your take 🙂

Mahesh
Mahesh
10 years ago

Nice article – you’ve echoed and explained our thoughts to ourselves precisely, to look at them at a different angle. Thank you….

Harpreet Kaur
Harpreet Kaur
11 years ago

I was a serious reader of your blog but this blog made me laugh, sometimes on people and sometimes on myself for thinking in certain ways to buy stuff on EMI.

Truly, you are doing a fantastic job.

Thanks…. 🙂

Swati
Swati
12 years ago

Well frankly, I totally agree with your views Manish and almost went emotional reading the,now quoated line“if guests do visit one could easily shift on the floor and provide them the room”. it was actually so relieving to find that atlst one such person still exists on earth ( among the ppl having decent finance) who can so casually and straight forwadly, state and suggest this idea.

But u are missing something in what Vinayak is trying to say here, I completely agree to him and have similar observations.Though what you said about the background of most of the ppl from software section (read corporate) is absolutely correct, the painful or rather funny part is that those people themselves seem to have forgotten all about their background:) . I too belong to a circle of these money flaunting (new born richies) and feel amazed on how our generation is turning everything fashionable into bare necessity.
I still remember our families, summer vacation gathering at any one of our uncles house in different cities every year, lots of uncles and aunties ,n lotz n lotz of kids!!, and never ever saw anyone discussing about the size of the house (which was never more than 2bhk govrnment quarters) before planning any such trip.The idea of lying down on the bed spread on floor with all cousins used to be too fascinating for we kids and the adjustments made by elders was nothing to be even talked about.
But amazingly enough, I witness those very kids (grown up now) walking away from much comforatble accomadation,at the middle of any festive gathering, to the nearest 5star hotel for obvoius reasons…. and because they feel too rich to make adjustment….rich,may be they are not….but do feel so….as they have credit cards which offcourse they can pay out on EMIs :).

Vivek
Vivek
12 years ago

Truly said, “Its better to live in a 1 BHK and breathe easy, rather than a 3 BHK and suffocate every day from the burden of the heavy EMI”.

Vijay
Vijay
13 years ago

Absolutely agree with you.

Infact, I have seen so many on mine non-finance friends so much un-aware of down side of EMIs. Sometime back, I actually wrote on my blog how to compute EMI (in MS Excel, which most of the PC has).

I am putting the link here to the same, hoping it will be useful to everyone
http://ivijay.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-to-compute-equated-monthly.html

Not sure, whether your comment policy allows link sharing… if not kindly delete this comment.

Ajay
Ajay
13 years ago

Thanks a lot Manish
Definitely Agree with your thoughts, Makes a lot of sense.

I think the only time I would buy a house is when I can pay EMI of not more that 33% of my salary alone. As you rightly mentioned I should plan aggressive investment which I have already started using SIP of 10K per month in mutual funds varying from mid caps, large caps and balanced funds,
Besides this I would be investing in debt primarily via PPF.

Since my SIP portfolio is a bit on aggressive side I would also plan my wife’s portfolio on a bit safer side. That would require some more planning later.

I certainly can wait till time when property prices are reasonable and I can minimize the EMI burden.

As far two wheeler vs four wheeler is concerned the issue with two wheeler is as follows.

1. Risky in Gurgaon like city as people lack driving ethics. With fairly wide roads and relatively less traffic everyone on road seems to be riding a formula one car.
2.Extreme climatic conditions in Gurgaon. Unlike Bangalore here winters are chilly, summers are unbearable and in monsoons its wet everywhere.
3. Because of mall culture we still have to rely on malls for some household items which cannot be carried on a two wheeler.

Ajay
Ajay
13 years ago

This indeed is an interesting topic especially for me since I am getting married soon.
During my bachelor days I never really paid attention to Real Estate /owning an House etc. But Now I find my thoughts very much wandering across the EMI Vs Rent Debate.
Me and my fiancée both are working in the so called IT industry and combined income of ours is sufficient to buy a house with 30K EMI. This EMI would be 1/3rd of our combined monthly gross salary and even after EMI deduction we would have enough cash left to live a good life.
Inspite of this I do not intend to buy a house in immediate future. The reasons for this are many which I would list in order of importance
1. Even though our combined gross income is High but still not enough to pay EMI for a 2BHK house in case my wife decides to quit job after we have Kids. I am very much reluctant to make her share this burden for the rest of her life.
2. I am currently working in Gurgaon but I don’t want to settle down here because of not sufficient job opportunities in my field. Our company is headquartered in Bangalore and can any time wind up Gurgaon operations. Moreover I would like to keep my options open in case I get a good JOB offer at any other place. And lastly Gurgaon’s properly market is Highly inflated without any Infrastructure in place
3. Lastly Real estate market is full of speculators and very few end users and I have a feeling that this is not the right time to buy. I will never buy into speculative theory arguing that Real estate price will always increase. People seem to forget the nineties housing bubble which lasted for 10 years.
So instead of owning so called dream house I have decided to tread this path.
1. Rent a good house near to place of work for around 20% of take home salary, save the commuting time and spend the quality time together during early phase of marriage.
2. Invest around 30 % of gross in mutual funds/ppf/fixed deposits etc. A good portfolio of diversified, balanced mutual funds along with PPF is good strategy for long run.
3. Keep 10% of salary available for meeting emergency funds
4. That still leaves 40% of salary to be used in household expenses, shopping, movies etc.
5. Also I don’t own a vehicle as of now but need to plan as the public transport situation in Gurgaon is pathetic. Since we both would be living near to place of our work we only require transport during weekends etc. Still in dilemma whether to buy a four wheeler or two wheeler.

Fortunately my fiancée agrees with my plan and I need not worry about that dream house which would make us fixated to a place for rest of our lives so early.

Vinit
Vinit
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
13 years ago

For many, 4 wheeler is safer than 2 wheeler.

senthil
senthil
13 years ago

dear manish , is it stll advisable to open a PPF account when the present govt is planning to remove tax exemption for the amount which investors get finally?
kindly reply…

Amol
Amol
14 years ago

this article has lots of valid points. The comments part is more interesting. I can see people debating over renting Vs. buying advantages and disadvantages. One point I would like to make in case of buying a real estate(Flat or bungalow to be specific). As most of the readers says that real estate appreciates over time in terms of price but we should also consider the it’s depreciation over the period of 15 or 20 years. Many of you may not agree on it but looking at the current poor construction quality that builders provide how many of you seriously think that the house will last for another 40 or 50 years ? What if your property(house) didn’t appreciate after X years as you expect it to be since it ended up with lot of construction flaws ?

any more input on this

amol
amol
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
13 years ago

Manish,

Today, we can see the buildings which are 40-50 years old. The real fun starts when you actually start living in such houses. One has to count on maintenance issues that occurs day by day. So, after X years (which is quite big numbers like 15-20) one can not claim same price to such old apartment that any new apartment costs. It’s very logical as to why someone want to pay same prices to something which is 15-20 years when the new apartment costs same. And this depreciation figure should increase with time.
Moreover, when I say above I am still talking about the constructions which I can see today. So they are built prior to 20-30 years from now when the construction quality must be good because of less competition and many other factors. Now a days people(not necessarily all but many of them) start complaining about their construction flaws immediate after they start living at that place. Through web media, there is a huge discussion going one online where people share their experiences(construction flaws) with newly built homes.
You can probably post a new article and invite people to share their post buying experiences(in different cities, if required). I am sure you will get huge response.

Venkatesh
Venkatesh
Reply to  amol
13 years ago

Manish,

I have a question.

What do you advice if I have the spare cash to buy a car with full payment.Should I go in for a loan(as some suggest that since car is a depreciating asset I should leave the risk to the lender) or should I buy it with cash.

Assuming I have 5 Lakhs in hand at the moment.If I invest in a mutual fund for 5 years and I buy the car in a loan of say 10% P.A.Would that be the correct option?

Sagar
Sagar
14 years ago

manish! perfect yar…
I agree with your point…. Thanxs for good article…

yogesh
yogesh
14 years ago

Hi Manish & all,

Good article.

I had a question If some one has amount in hand to buy a House (let say 25Lcah),Is it
good still to take loan or its good to pay all amount from pocket.

Whats the best approach is such cases ?

Regards
Yogesh

Guha Rajan
Guha Rajan
14 years ago

If you are buying an flat, you need to consider depreciation over the period of time. This is something missed out.

Well have written my thought in my blog as well.

http://indian-amps.blogspot.com/2010/07/4-common-debt-trap-to-avoid.html

Murali
Murali
14 years ago

Hi Manish,

I am a silent reader of your blog. I have real experience of buying a huge house and regretting now. I bought a house in chennai with 90% (yes really) as loan. Though myself and wife are working professionals and afford ( 60% of take home of our income) to pay back loan, i still think it was a bad decision. Though my wife’s wish for own,bigger house had bigger influence in taking that decision, i will owe it to the zero/little financial planning of myself.
Below are the some of the reason that it was a bad decision:
1. We bought house which was so big ( two times of our need)
2. Finding hard to do asset diversification
3. Having a plan to start own business venture. This loan emi will have huge influence in making it real.
4. Hard to Help my close relatives/friends while they are in real crisis
5. Sometime there are arguments between me and my wife because of this decision.
We have a happy life but still this loan always in mind what ever we do.
So friends if you thinking that buying a great home will bring great HAPPINESS , it may not be true. My point is take more time to analyze before coming the decision.

Atul Krishna
Atul Krishna
14 years ago

Dear Manish
This is a beautifully scripted article from you and really an eye opener..
Hats off to you..
Regards