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July 16, 2012

2 Credit Card Tips I learned from others

Do you want to know some credit card tips which you can use in your life ? In all probability you must be holding a ICICI, HDFC or SBI Credit Card and must be wondering how to use it effectively ! .  Credit card is used by almost everyone now a days and utilizing a credit card features is an art -I would say. It needs discipline, attitude and the right mindset to be used. However I came across 2 very good credit card tips, which were discussed by few readers on the comments section and hence this article bring forth those tips and tricks to you. These following tips are really good, but only for those who want to really squeeze out the benefit of their credit cards and not for someone who likes to keep it simple. Let’s see those credit card tips:

Credit Card Tips 1 – Making short term Fixed Deposits

Most people know that by the end of the month, they will get a credit card bill and they will have to pay a good amount of money towards it. Now imagine this situation – You will most probably have a good amount of money in your savings bank account which you know would be utilized towards paying off the credit card bill and you make sure that the money stays with your account. You don’t spend it or invest it anywhere because it already has a purpose and it also improves your credit score and report

Now the simple tip here is, that just see how much is your average credit card bill each month. It can be 10,000, 15,000 or 20,000 at times, but if you know that generally the maximum you get is around 20,000. Then instead of keeping that money in your bank account, you can just do a short term fixed deposits in that start of your billing period, so that instead of earning mere 4% in a saving bank account, it will earn some 7%. The idea is to create around 90 days of fixed deposit each month for your average credit card bill amount. So what will happen that from 3rd month, you will automatically get those FDs matured and you will have the money ready. I said 90 days so that the interest rates you get are better. I can see that my ICICI bank is giving 7% for 91 days deposit. If your bank provides good return in 30 days, better make 30 days deposits.

Important : Do this only if your bank provides the online facility of creating fixed deposits and you would like to get better interest for your money in short term along with eagerness to pay off your credit card debt in full every time. At time this can look like over optimization, but its up to you. Now if you like it, take it, else let it go. Thanks Suhas for this trick .

Credit Card Tips 2 – Have two credit card with different billing cycle

You can get the maximum credit of 55 days on a credit card if you make the purchase in the start of the billing cycle and have a grace period of 25 more days (30 + 25 = 55). But you can not always make big purchases in the start of the billing cycle to get maximum credit, a lot of people make this mistake because they do not understand minimum balance in credit cards . So in that case the tip is to have 2 credit cards with two different billing cycles preferably having a gap of 15 days between them, you can use one credit card for first 15 days of the month and another one in the  second half. So for example you can have credit card A which has billing cycle from 1st Apr to 30th May and another credit card B whose billing cycle is from 15th May to 14th June.

So this way you can use the credit card A in the first half of the month and B in the second half. Note that though this involves 2 cards and requires a little tracking , but it will really help someone who uses the credit card a lot and would like to get benefit of maximum credit period almost all the time. Thanks Vareen for the tip.

What do you think about these credit card tips? Are they over kill!

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Pinakapani
Pinakapani
8 years ago

Hello, see heading, That should be “LEARNT” not “LEARNED”… 🙂

Ramaballav Routaray
Ramaballav Routaray
8 years ago

Dear Sir

I was trying to purchase a laptop through flipkart.

Payment was made through SBI card. Amount deducted. But order was not confirmed. A message was displayed – “SBI declined your request”.

I communicated with flipkart with transaction ID. But payment was not recieved by them.

Can you pls share your views, why this happens? & what should be the next course of action for a customer, if credit card company does not refund the debited amount?

Kumaresan
Kumaresan
11 years ago

Hi Manish..

One question for you or may be you can get an answer. Its a known thing that credit cards are prone to fraudulent transactions when they are missed. Why is that not many banks have a photo credit card? why is that there is no pin for the cards?? why cant RBI mandate these to banks, instead of asking a photo id proof for transactions of more than 10000Rs. Is a photo Credit card so expensive ?

Vijay
Vijay
11 years ago

Just wanted to update on one tip which i have been using.. I have icici bank platinum card. They give payback points for the spends. I use my credit card for almost everything right from groceries,bill payment to petrol. So, my average spend on my card comes to 15000Rs per month. I use my accumulated payback points to pay my vodafone bills. So im actually getting my mobile bill free using the credit card. Sometimes i buy jewellery for my wife which i plan during the start of the billing cycle so say for example i buy jewellery for 50k i get free 45days interest free credit. To make the payment safe i have already been doing a 30 day FD which easily pays me 7% interest as pointed in this article earlier.

Ram
Ram
11 years ago

Another tip is to get a card that redeems points to payback outstanding (adjust the outstanding balance not redeem for vouchers etc). I use Indus Ind card and in a year, I use my points to payback a min 15K of outstanding. Its like almost having 1-2% discount on your entire spend. For me this is a substantial amount and in last 8 years I would have saved almost 80-90k by using my points to pay back. Not many people realize this.

Ram
Ram
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
11 years ago

Not all credit cards offers this facility. That’s the main reason I had opted for IndusInd (formerly Deutsche Bank Credit Card). Another similar scheme is when you take any Petrol branded cards (eg: citibank indianoil card). The points accumulated can be redeemed to purchase petrol. This is another effective way of using points.

Sateesh
Sateesh
11 years ago

Hi Manish,

first one is unknown to many. thanks . i just did it… 🙂

i became fan of your website… from last one month i started looking in to your website. now a days your website became a daily E-News paper for me. (almost reading all articles)
which ever will be useful to me, i am implementing…

a Big Thanks dude….
Sateesh

Kantilal
Kantilal
11 years ago

Resident foreign citizens cannot acquire credit cards in India. Is this true? Nor driving licences.

atolani
atolani
11 years ago

Idea of “Making short term Fixed Deposits” is darn good, But a better idea is to enable auto sweep in your account. with this anything above your threshold will automatically get 7% interest (approx).

Lets say my monthly credit card bill is 15K & I would like to have 20K always in my account, setup a auto sweep for after 20K, it will save me from the headache of creating FD accounts on a daily basis.

Abhinav Gulechha
Abhinav Gulechha
11 years ago

Hi Manish

You will agree that credit cards are well laid traps designed to cash in on default made by a person, which has a host of repurcussions.
My wife is a s/w engineer and she had been part of a project to design interest calculations for a particular credit card brand and she was baffled at how complicated the calculations are:)….think of the lay investor..
my only one advice is – keep 2 credit cards, but don’t use them, except in case of a emergency.

Vijay
Vijay
11 years ago

Can we use 2 credit cards and use one to pay the other to get an unlimited credit?

Swetank Saroj
Swetank Saroj
Reply to  Vijay
11 years ago

Hi Vijay,

You can not do this kind of transaction; not the way you want.

What you can do it a balance transfer from one card to another with a charge of 2% or other terms and condition applied by them.

Hope the credit card company allow the transaction the way you want, even I will be happy. 😉

Thanks,
Swetank

KM
KM
11 years ago

Whats the use of 1st tip? If you have money in bank at the start of billing cycle, then instead of making FD use that money for your purchases rather than using the credit card. Isn’t that better? I think credit card should be restricted only for emergency use and debit card is better for convenience during purchases.

Anand
Anand
Reply to  KM
11 years ago

I would say read the article again!

Deepak R khemani
Deepak R khemani
Reply to  KM
11 years ago

You can build up a good credit history, earn reward points and make some extra money by being disciplined, spend wisely and pay on time. That is what this article is all about, if anyone is not comfortable with credit cards or uses them for emergencies only it is perfectly fine, the article is all about managing your credit card dues such that every one wins.

Dinesh
Dinesh
Reply to  KM
11 years ago

Dear Ketan,

as per me this is the bad idea, even if u have the money in your account suggest to use the card u can enjoy benifits

1.By using the card u can earn the interest for the period of 45 days.

2. you can earn the points on the cards which u can accumulate and you can utilise the same for the purchase of the required items by the way of redumption.

in SBI the points will get lapsed after evey month but with HDFC u can accumulate the points and can redem and can shop ipads,mobile phones etc.

Krish
Krish
11 years ago

My working life transitioned from heavy user of credit card to abondoning them. Never defaulted any payments. An year back I have again taken a credit card primarily for the purpose of emergency during my overseas travel. However I could not bring myself to buy anything using credit card. I am so used to debit card.

The reluctance of using credit card came from its billing cycle. My cash flows are always on haywire if I use the credit card. Many times I timed to get the 45 days credit and got it as well. However, some urgent stuff strikes during the payment at the end of 45 days and I struggle to clear the dues.

After three such cycles, I went back again on silent mode for credit card usage.

Chakravarthy
Chakravarthy
11 years ago

Hi,

I’m a wealth manager at ICICI Bank. Some clarification on taxation:

Fixed Deposits –
You’ll add your FD interest to your individual income – hence, individual tax slab.
Now, when you park in liquid funds and ultra short term debt funds the taxation is different.

Liquid Funds –
If you opt for Growth option (which suits if you are in 0%, 10% or 20% tax bracket), the income is added to your individual income – hence, individual tax slab.
If you are in the highest tax slab, opt for Dividend Payout or Dividend Reinvestment option where in the MF pays 27.038% as Dividend Distribution Tax. The amount hitting you is tax-free.

Short Term Debt Funds –
If you opt for Growth option (which suits if you are in 0% or 10% tax bracket), the income is added to your individual income – hence, individual tax slab.
If you fall in 20% or 30% as tax, opt for Dividend Payout or Dividend Reinvestment option where in the MF pays 13.519% as Dividend Distribution Tax. The amount hitting you is tax-free.

(As on 1st April 2012)

Deepak R khemani
Deepak R khemani
Reply to  Chakravarthy
11 years ago

Taxation on LIQUID PLUS FUNDS is 13.519% which you have missed mentioning above which is a better option than short term debt funds where you will end up paying an exit load if you go out early which is not the case for liquid plus funds. Also all this is being discussed for Indian Resident individuals only, not companies not NRI’s.

Ram Mohan
Ram Mohan
11 years ago

One tip that I use is whenever I have a big bill to pay (say insurance) or some bonus amount through which I have to buy something, I immediately put this in a liquid fund (I have a dedicated fund for this called forecasted expenses). Then I use credit card to pay my bill to increase the credit period further

That way I at-least get 50 days credit if not more

Deepak R khemani
Deepak R khemani
Reply to  Ram Mohan
11 years ago

Please read my comment posted above under facebook login right on top

Anand
Anand
Reply to  Deepak R khemani
11 years ago

Profit from liquid fund is not tax free, as per my understanding.
Only gains from equity fund is tax-free, that too after 1 year.

Deepak R khemani
Deepak R khemani
Reply to  Anand
11 years ago

Let me remind you that under dividend reinvestment option in liquid plus funds the tax is deducted at source and the nett gains in hand are TOTALLY TAX FREE.

Sankha
Sankha
11 years ago

Credit card always help if some one is disciplined. In my case:-

1. I have two credit cards with 20 days gap in billing date which helps me as per point two.
2. For point 1 : My Salary account is with sweep facility, so my salary 5 days after crediting sweeped into an FD. When I withdraw money in any form, it breaks partially. So when I pay my credit card bill getting a average credit period of 30 days, my money in FD gives return of 5.5%-6% on average. Even if some one does not want to that much involved, plain saving account interest on average 15000/- spend on credit card per cycle can give you free money of Rs 900/- (small but still useful 🙂 )

3. Credit card rewards point gets you minor benefit too. On top of that, one of my credit card gives me 5% cashback on Pantaloons/Shoppers Stop/ Food bazaar etc. (on average free cash back of Rs 100 per month). Other one gives me 2% discount on utility/telephone bills (my average bill of landline+broadband+mobile is Rs 1400/-, so another free money of Rs 30 per month).

4. One credit card gave me offer twice that I do not need to pay my credit card bill for 2 months. So that time, I get free credit period of 110 days.

5. But most importantly, all benefits will be lost if one defaults/not pays. The cost of that in cards are huge. But I have not defaulted in payment once in last 2 years which should improve the CIBIL score.

Siddhant
Siddhant
12 years ago

That is a good idea you can actually make money from credit cards by playing the system properly…

Here is my link for the same

http://www.chintamoney.com/entries/general/make-money-with-credit-card

Rajeev Srivastava
Rajeev Srivastava
12 years ago

For Tip 1, Systematic Withdrawal Plan from Liquid fund can also be used. This will give one a better flexibility for the deposits and earnings from liquid funds will be at par with FDs for longer deposits.

In my case I just manually withdraw required amount 3-4 days prior to the due date if available balance in my savings account is not sufficient.

Vandhana Karthick
Vandhana Karthick
12 years ago

I have an bad experience recently with my credit card..I like to share it..After reading if anybody has any ideas please suggest it..I have lost my credit card somewhere in petrol pump.I come to know when I receive an late transaction message with trxn of Rs.15000 in an branded jewellery shop.I would have caught the looter when I received the sms in on-time. I immediately called the jewellery shop and informed to hold the theif but he escaped in a gap of very few minutes.I have a clear recorded video recorded in that shop and I complained in near by are police station but after seeing all that they done investigation with petrol pump person..But later on they have not shown any interest due to small amount from their point of view..But I immediately called my ICICI bank customer care and told thats an unauthrozed transaction, but they approved and told to pay the amount on due date and I wrote several mails and gave legal notice but they never minded and I cancelled the card after paying the due..So is there any way to reimburse from bank or jewellery shop….

VandhanaKarthick
VandhanaKarthick
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
11 years ago

Manishji,

I have informed to bank only, but they refused within few minutes they have approved the transaction after the merchants approval. And also jewellery shop should get photo id proof for the trxn above Rs.10000 as per RBI rule but they failed. If I ask them they just give several answers due to manpower short or rush but finally I had lost my Rs.15000.

Swetank Saroj
Swetank Saroj
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
11 years ago

Manish,

I do not agree with your point.

Its shopkeeper fault. They are supposed to follow the rules even if this not good for us. Many times the boarding pass of a flight or a ticket at a multiplex has been denied to me or my close ones cause they were not carrying the card used for transaction.

These shops will start following the protocols only when they will be penalised by not getting their payments from the bank side.

Why its always the common man fault or we have to bear for others fault..misseling of a product our fault ..a forged transaction our fault.

Just now I have lost 330 rupees coz i never knew that a third party cash deposit or withdrawal from my salary account is chargeable..again its our fault coz we do not know…are we lame that we keep doing the same fault even after knowing????

Swetank Saroj
Swetank Saroj
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
11 years ago

Hi Manish,

I accept and agree with your point of view that normally we start complaining when we face a problem with us.

I also agree that its a headache and inconvinient to show our ID card each time using a card. Most of us have seen the cases where a PNB or SBI debit card owner ask the person to enter their ATM pin on the machine rather than themshelves (they forgot the potential danger, the next person in Q can stole their card and use the same PIN)

My only concern was to follow the rule, as the concerned Airline counter or a multiplex have the rights and many times they have denied the tickets coz of not showing the requested cards, as a result now people either carry the original card or a photo-copy as proof.

I am just expecting the same from the shopkeepers; initially it will be a big pain and lot of chaos but after the initial phase everyone will get used to it and their will be less complain of headache as well as fraudulent use of cards.

If its not happening; I would like to bring the paralence from your other article “Does Government work for Financial Services?”
Is the bank and shops work in nexus, like never do a proper check at payment (identity of person) charge the card owner and get the payment; only a small number of people will complain so nothing much to lose.

Thanks,
Swetank

Swetank Saroj
Swetank Saroj
Reply to  Vandhana Karthick
11 years ago

Hi Vandana,

I exactly do not know how to help you, but below I am mentioned my views which may help you.

First, every shop which owner a credit card have to match the signature on charge-slip with the signature on the reverse of the card. They can even ask for an ID-card for the proof of checking the owner of card (this has happened only once with me at a city 3 years back).

Second, bank are not suppose to clear a balance where the signature on the charge-slip is not matching. You are authorize to ask for the charge-slip being sent to bank and it must have your signature. Now this is a tricky one, cause I know many people just hand over their card to their close ones and ask them to sign on their behalf; this will possible go against us in the above mentioned second point. (Thats why I never ask to sign or use my card on my behalf, rather accompany them to pay by my card, even its a pain for me)

Third, always go for a CPP (card protection plan) it will cost you 1000 bucks annually but your cards are insured against the misuse. Once re-imbursement like this is equal to 15 installment.

This is normally not advised, but every one free to take their own call: If you know you are not at fault and have been cheated. Default the same amount and close your card. Beware that this goes against your CIBIL score but you have atleast peace of getting back to the institution on your own way. Over a period of time you can correct your score. Although institution never informed CIBIL that a person has cleared the dues even for a forged payments and please give them extra points. Cancelling a card may also goes against our rating, I am not sure at this point someone more informed can help us.

Thanks,
Swetank

crosswordsguy
crosswordsguy
Reply to  Swetank Saroj
11 years ago

Vandhana

You can follow Point # Two given by Swetank his ^ above comment. I think this would help you in highlighting the deficiency of the Merchant. Also, you may follow : –

1) Use Complaint Resolution Matrix of ICICI Bank to escalate the complaint to higher ups. Escalation Matrix of ICICI is very very effective and it has helped me many times and I believe it would help you also
2) Complain to RBI’s Banking Ombudsman against the bank. Rad Manish’s earlier article http://jagoinvestor.dev.diginnovators.site/2011/04/banking-ombudsman.html
3) Complain on Social Networking page of the Bank
4) Take services of http://www.akosha.com

Also, as suggested by Swetank and Manish (www.­jagoinvestor.­com/­2010/­05/­how-­to-­insure-­your-­credit-­and-­debt-­cards.­html) to avoid any such mishaps take Insurance on your Debit/Credit Cards.

I don’t think defaulting on payment would be a good option; Manish may kindly advice on this…

Vandhana Karthick
Vandhana Karthick
Reply to  crosswordsguy
11 years ago

Mr.Pankaj,

Thanks for yous haring about Banking ombudsmen and akosha.com..I have complained in akosha and lets wait and see and I will share again jagoinvestor after complaint is closed/resolved.Thanks for jagoinvestor.

Swetank Saroj
Swetank Saroj
Reply to  Vandhana Karthick
11 years ago

Hi Vandhana,

I was discussion your case with a friend of mine and got to know the following experience.

In 2009 my friends has lot his ICICI debit card and someone has used it for 6500/- (that was the only available amount in his account).

The person checked his account statement pull out the details and file a FIR, after filling his case with the police he went to each shop and asked them to provide the details. Got everything photo copied and then sent the details to the Bombay Head Office of ICICI bank along with the copy of FIR. ICICI did an internal enquiry and finally reverse the 6500/- to his account. During this complete procedure he also got to know that this loss is normally taken out from the shopkeepers cause they have not followed the actual rules. (as mentioned in my other comments).

Hope this may help you. So do not lose hope you may still get your money back.

For other people:

In case of a fraudulent or forged charges on you credit cards never pay that specific amount rather file a complain and keep in touch with the head office. The institutions are not supposed to charge you any interest for the disputed amount.

Thanks,
Swetank

Vandhana Karthick
Vandhana Karthick
Reply to  Swetank Saroj
11 years ago

Thanks Swetank..You are right and thanks for sharing..But I too gone to Police Station and a PC came with me and asked all details in Petrol pump and jewellery shop and I repeatedly get in touch with PS but the response is very poor and also due date came and after asking in credit care customer service reg approval of trxn I some what left the hope and I paid the hard earned of my amount and closed the card finally.I had very bad experience with ICICI bank credit card division.

Thanks
Vandhana K

crosswordsguy
crosswordsguy
Reply to  Vandhana Karthick
11 years ago

@ Vandhana,

Did u took up the case with RBI Banking Ombudsman. Now, they have introduced Online Complaint Process. Do try that once!

@ Swetank

Are you aware that Internet Based Transactions and Use of Counterfeit Card are not covered in CPP or any other Card Protection company?

dr kishan
dr kishan
Reply to  Vandhana Karthick
11 years ago

Vandhanaji

My suggestion to you is that first of all dont lose hope. RS 15000 is a lot of money. With perseverance I think you should be able to get back the money. Please understand that the process is painfully slow but if you are able to satisfactorily prove to bank that the shopkeeper was wrong then ICICI can chargeback the amount from the merchant and credit to you. I think you shouldn’t have closed the card of ICICI. Anyway I advise to make use of grievance redressal system of ICICI. the website is http://www.icicibank.com/Personal-Banking/pdf/grievance_redressal_policy.pdf
Go step by step. Keep all documents like FIR, old statements etc at hand. Write a detailed mail to ICICI. Dont depend on telebanking. It may not be retrievable later on. Explain everything in detail exactly what had happened. Then wait for their response patiently. They are bound to reply to your complaint. Most probably they will NOT agree to you at the first instance. Then escalate the matter to next level. And so on. If you can prove to them that the merchant is at fault the bank might repay your amount to you. Was your card signed by you? (at the back)

Dont lose hope and fight with all vigour. You shall surely win

dr kishan

santhosh
santhosh
12 years ago

what about the credit card charges one has to bear? Don’t we have to pay charges for having multiple cards

santhosh
santhosh
12 years ago

What about the credit card charges? Don’t we have to pay charges for the multiple credit cards?