File an RTI application for EPF withdrawal or EPF Transfer Stutus

Are you frustrated because of the delay in your EPF withdrawal or EPF transfer? Are you waiting from many months or years at times to get any kind of clarity on your EPF status?

Are you frustrated with your EPF withdrawal or transfer?

I have seen countless number of people on this blog and other forums really getting frustrated with waiting and waiting for years at times for their EPF withdrawal/transfer and they don’t get any information or update on the status. It is only when you personally visit the EPFO offices, you get some clarity, but even that does not help. So now if you are fed up with the EPFO office and it’s slow speed of work, what’s the final step you can take? In this article I will show you how you can use file an RTI application and successfully get lot of information and at times get your work done at a speed which you never imagined. Filing RTI application for EPF information has worked wonders for many people and they claim that it works brilliantly (if you do it right way). I know your eyes are shining, but let’s understand some background before you rush to find out how it works!

Some success stories of RTI solving the EPF issues

Case 1

I would like to share the success with RTI. I opted for EPF withdrawal about 4 months back, and did not receive my PF amount until I decided to file an RTI Application. And it was realy shocking to see the amount getting credited to my bank account within 3 days of receipt of application by K.R.PURAM, Bangalore EPFO. – Rohit

Case 2 

My EPF withdrawal issue was resolved with RTI. After submitting the forms, after around 3 months, the EPFO claimed that they transferred my withdrawal money to my bank account. However I didn’t receive the money in my bank account. I raised online grievances for 3 times. Each time I got the same answer saying that the money has been transferred and has not been returned back to EPFO, so it must have been deposited to my bank account and I should check my bank account. Around 6 months went in this process with no results. As a last option, I filed an RTI application and to my surprise, the money got deposited in my bank account in 5 days (with additional interest for 6 months) and also received a reply for my RTI application.If EPF grievance system does not work for you, go for RTI. – Manish

Case 3

Yep RTI does the trick most of the time , I got all my PF issues sorted out with RTI application and have all the written proofs with cheque numbers etc for all my previous transfers. They even informed my about my balances for current year and told that they are yet to prepare the PF a/c’s for my company for the current year , but here are your balances with us. It really helps. – Hitesh

 

What is RTI and how it applies to EPFO office?

RTI as we all know is a common man’s tool to get a speedy and clear information from any govt office. Supreme Court has clearly mentioned under article 19(1) that Right to Information is a part of Right to Speech & Expression. Now, as EPFO comes under the RTI purview, you can file an RTI application and ask anything you want about your EPF. Govt is bound to respond within 30 days to your letter with all the information you had asked. So if you are unclear about what your EPF status is or if your EPF transfer work has even started? Why did your EPF money still not credited in your bank account etc etc… You can ask all these questions and you should be getting the 100% right and clear answers within 30 days. The only point here is that you should be doing it the RIGHT way. So lets see what all you need!

Note : Before filing the RTI , a good idea would be to file a EPF grievance redressal form online

File RTI in 3 easy steps

Step 1: Buying a Postal Order of Rs 10 from Post Office

The first step is to go to Post Office and buy a Postal Order for Rs 10.  It should be in favor of Accounts Officer of the Concerned EPFO Office. Like if you are sending your EPF letter to Bangalore, the Rs. 10 postal order should be in favor of Accounts Officer, EPFO, Bangalore. The fees can also be paid by demand draft, but that would be expensive, better go for Postal order as it is commonly used for RTI.

Step 2: Drafting your RTI letter

The first step is to draft RTI letter for your EPF related queries. All you need to do is write a letter on a normal paper (better take a very high quality A4 size paper). Though there is no specific format for RTI application letter, still there are some rules of drafting it.

Following is a sample RTI letter.

EPF withdrawal or EPF Transfer RTI application Template

Download the PDF format here

Step 3 : Send the RTI letter by Registered Post or Speed Post

The final step is to send this RTI letter by Registered post only, as no courier is accepted. Please make sure you keep the acknowledgement receipt carefully for all the future communication (if any). It might be required by you.  Once you complete the 3rd step, the RTI letter should reach the concerned authority in few days and then within 30 days you should be getting the reply within 30 days (as per RTI act).

Two RTI’s application needed in case of transfer of EPF

Note that in case of EPF withdrawal case , all you need to do is file an RTI query for the concerned EPF office. But in case of Transfer of EPF, there are two EPF offices involved, they are Source and Target. For example if you got transferred from Bangalore to Delhi and applied for EPF transfer, then your source EPFO office is “Bangalore” and your Target office is “Delhi”.

You will first have to file an RTI for the Source EPFO office to find out if the transfer has happened from their side or not. It might be the case that they rejected your application and you don’t even know about it. Once you file an RTI to them, you will atleast know what is the exact status. If you get a reply that the Transfer has still not happened, then they will let you know by when it will happen or give some pointers on the situation, but in case they say that they have transferred it from their side, then it means that the issue is on Target EPF office and they might not have processed your transfer yet. In that case the next step is to file second RTI to the target EPFO office.

File an RTI application for the Target EPFO and this time, along with all the details also mention about the first RTI and the response you have got from the Source, so that you show them all the proof of what you have done. Now you should get a reply from them again within next 30 days on what is their action and what is the exact status of your EPF transfer.

Online RTI Filing (For NRI’s or lazy Resident Indians)

For those who are too busy to visit Post office and do RTI filing offline. You can use the services of www.rtination.com for filing the RTI. They will help you create the RTI letter and then you need to download it, sign it, scan it and send it back to them by courier or ordinary post. They would speed post it to the concerned officer and also enclose the fee. At the moment the fees is Rs 150.

Important Points while Filing RTI application

When you file an RTI application, there are some very important points you should remember, because incase you don’t take care of some very critical points, it would mean rejection of your application and unnecessary work again. Here are some important points:

You can read about RTI in detail here

Can you share your experience about EPF withdrawal or EPF transfer and in case you have used RTI for resolving the issue? Are you going to use RTI to get your EPF problem solved? Please update your results once you are successful.

By Manish Chauhan on March 5, 2012 · Posted in EPF - Employee Provident Fund

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800 Comments | Post Comment

Uttam Kumar Sen says:

Good article. Lot of information is given.

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Venkatesh Ranganathan says:

Dear Sir,
The information that you have provided regarding the transfer and that for withdrawal are very informative,clear and can be used by anyone who has not got his /her withdrawal or transfer done after the specific time frame. I thank you on behalf of all the valued readers of your blog for such a nice informative article.

I wish you continue giving such informative articles in your blog regularly with your other articles. Thank you once again.

Regards,
Venkatesh R

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Raja says:

Wow !! That’s some information man. I’ll do it and report to you how it went.

Regards
Raja

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Dhaval says:

Nice Article… Good

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Srinivas says:

Very useful information. Most of the financial planning website resolves around investment (mutual fund, PPF, Tax). But you are bringing up very good information to people who can use this info to avoid their day-to-day troublesome issues.

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Hitesh Agrawal says:

Manish,

Yep RTI does the trick most of the time , I got all my PF issues sorted out with RTI application and have all the written proofs with cheque numbers etc for all my previous transfers. They even informed my about my balances for current year and told that they are yet to prepare the PF a/c’s for my company for the current year , but here are your balances with us. It really helps.

Thanks & Regards
Hitesh Agrawal

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Rajnish Kumar says:

Just to Update that RTI fee in Haryana is also Rs. 10 only. As I had filed 2 RTI Application between July 2011 and Oct 2011.

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Kapil says:

Hi Manish,

I was wondering whether the same trick would apply for Provident Funds Trust? There are some companies who manage their own trusts rather than maintaining PF at EPFOs.

Your insight on this will be highly appreciated.

Posted on March 5th, 2012

SG Verma says:

Hi all,
For EPF withdrawl and transfer issues or any other issues related to EPF Office. You can now submit your complaint only through EPF website. There is a new EPF i Grievance Management System – http://epfigms.gov.in/
On submission of your grievance,it will be assigned to EPFO office and you will be provided his contact details and e-mail ID. This is really a good step taken by EPF department. Kindly use this system to get all your EPF related issues resolved.

All the Best

sgverma

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Jassi says:

Very nice article!!!
Thanks Manish

Posted on March 5th, 2012

rahchand says:

Really useful article, I had a harrowing time getting my PF settled from my previous employer. Luckily I got it after 5-6 months of patient wait.

Glad that this forum is coming up with the right articles which addresses the common woes that we often face. It is always helpful to be educated on the laws and rules that are helpful to sort out the issues with Government agencies without the help of the so called facilitators or brokers.

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Prasad says:

I would also recommend to file a EPF grievance first and then go for RTI if you do not get a reply. The EPF grievance can be filed at http://epfigms.gov.in/grievanceRegnFrm.aspx?csession=HkIJu8frbFp&

Thanks,
Prasad

Posted on March 5th, 2012

VINAY KUKRETI says:

Hi Manish,
I am your regular reader.Once again thanks for writting such useful article.

I have a question- I started my career with a Ahmedabad based company so EPFO was at Gujrat.After 3 year I switched over and joined Delhi based company now on HR suggestion I filled a form to merge earlier PF account to Delhi based new PF account which was likely to open in few days.

But due to some personal reason,I had to leave that company after 3 months.
After Sometimes I joined some other company which is Mumbai Based.Since last 3 year I am working with same company.

Now I want to withdraw my previous PF accounts money.But the problem is I am not having Delhi based company’s PF account no.So don’t have idea whether any PF account opened in Delhi,if opened whether Gujrat PF account merged with that account? I tried to contact them but got the information that company was winded-up.

What should I do now to get exact information to withdraw money?

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish D says:

My EPF withdrawal issue was resolved with RTI. After submitting the forms, after around 3 months, the EPFO claimed that they transferred my withdrawal money to my bank account. However I didn’t receive the money in my bank account. I raised online grievances for 3 times. Each time I got the same answer saying that the money has been transferred and has not been returned back to EPFO, so it must have been deposited to my bank account and I should check my bank account. I even emailed them for 3-4 times. None of the emails received any answer or even any acknowledgement.

Around 6 months went in this process with no results. As a last option, I filed an RTI application and to my surprise, the money got deposited in my bank account in 5 days (with additional interest for 6 months) and also received a reply for my RTI application.

If EPF grievance system does not work for you, go for RTI.

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Raja says:

Wow Prasad!! That’s yet another new thing i learnt today :)
Filed an grievance immediately and will now wait for a week before filing the RTI.

the grievance mechanism too gives hope, as it’s directly gives the name of regional PF commissioner as the officer who will attend to the complaint and their is way to check the status of the complaint.

Regards
Raja

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Raja says:

Check out from your Ahmadabad PF office, if the transfer out has happened. If yes, all well – apply for a transfer from Delhi to Mumbai, shouldn’t matter if the Delhi employer had closed business. If no, apply for re-transfer from Ahemadabad to Mumbai, and one more from Delhi to Mumbai. Simple!! ha ha… PF needs account portability first before mobile, bank and insurance a/c numbers. Too much of our nation’s time and energy is wasted to work around a simple problem. I feel so.

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Sushil says:

Sir
I have already gone through this..i need to file RTI to know the balance and procedure of withdrawal. I got all the information through RTI and then i filed withdrawal application and i got credit in my bank account in nearly 35 days. Later i filed RTI in another EPF office to know the balance and it also worked fine

In fact RTI is best tool for any citizen regarding any problem from any govt department

Posted on March 5th, 2012

VINAY KUKRETI says:

Hi Raja,

I am based at dehradun Uttarakhand now.How can I get information from Ahmedabad PF Office or Delhi PF office.Whether any provision of getting information from local PF office? Or sent a RTI to Ahmedabad PF office?

Thanks for your response.Waiting for more clarification.

RGDS,

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Raja says:

Try you luck with this link http://www.epfindia.com/ClaimStatus_New.html to know the status (instant response).

If that doesn’t work, try to get information the concerned EPF office (wait for a week) http://epfigms.gov.in/grievanceRegnFrm.aspx?csession=HkIJu8frbFp&

If both don’t work try RTI.It may take a month but… looks like it works!

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Raja says:

Hi Manish,

Just one doubt, Do we have to address the RTI letter to the same PIO as given in your sample letter for any PF office in Bangalore ? Because i assume the letter has to be addressed to a PIO only and there may not be multiple PIO’s assigned for each PF office. Am thinking of writing to KR Puram Office.

Regards
Raja

Posted on March 5th, 2012

VIKAS DEEP says:

I am working in a Private Engineering College in Bangalore as a Senior Lecturer. My college starts EPF deduction after 1 yr of service so since last August (2011) (my joining date was 2-08-2010), the college has been deducting Rs 780 from my salary.
But in which account the money is been deposited I do not know.
I have asked my college salary section many times But they are saying that and I quote “Government is slow and Government work takes time You should know this.”
and “Your EPF number shall come AUTOMATICALLY to you in due course , we CANNOT do any thing in this matter. It is the government clerks that are not doing there work properly and in time.”
The College principal blamed me for unnecessarily disturbing the salary section people.
Now what should I do? Where should I go?

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Suhas says:

Once again Nice to read the informative article.thats the power of RTI…..

I was lucky though to get my PPF Settled in 4 mnths without any follow-ups and hassle. While filing the application you need to write your mobile number on top side of application forms first page and also in the address column.This helps to get SMS updates.Well this was true with Kandivali office Mumabi, need to check if its followed throughout India or not.

Best of luck guys.

Thanks,
Suhas

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Suhas

Thanks for that tip , I dont think I did that part in my case , but anyways , I got my EPF money in a year :) .

Manish

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Vikas

This is wrong . If your EPF money is getting deducted , you should be having a EPF account number and it should be there somewhere in your consolidated salary slip also . Please check with the department once again on this .

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Raja

There are different EPFO offices in same city , but still your EPF center will be one of them like in Mumbai , there are 3 of them . But anyways you just have to address it to CPIO and address. Dont mention the exact name of the officer . Just put CPIO , EPFO and then followed by the exact address .

Manish

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Sushil

Thanks for sharing your personal case . Good to know that it worked for you . I am sure many others will learn from others and solve their own cases .

Manish

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Raja

Even I didnt knew this . I have updated this grievance thing back on the article

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Santosh Prasad says:

Manish,
I hope you remember about my experience with RTI that I shared with you few weeks back….

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Manish

Good to hear your case . I have added your success story in the main article :) . Thanks for sharing it !

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Prasad

Thanks for pointing that point . Never knew about it !

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Rahchand

Good to hear that you liked the article and it helped you !

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Raja says:

Hmm.. But if you see this link the SRO at each office is listed as RTI Officer http://www.epfindia.nic.in/rti_officers.html#kn

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to know that Jassi .. are you using the tips !

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

SG Verma

Thats great to know ! .. Thanks for sharing !

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Kapil

I have no info or any idea on that . But what info you want ? Because at the time of withdrawal or transfer I guess it passes through the main EPFO office only , so RTI will work on that !

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Ohh is it .. may be I got some old info in that case . Because as far as I read somewhere it was Rs 50 .

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Raja

hmm.. Not sure . IN case of my wife PF , we know exactly which EPF office will take care of her request (bandra) . You might want to check on the EPF website using your account number, which office exactly will take care of your request . Also you might want to dig out the Instructions given at EPF website for RTI filing : http://www.epfindia.com/RTI/RTI_1.pdf

Manish

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes santosh , I remember, but you were to apply again for it and there was conclusion at the end , so didnt include your case here :) . what is the current status ?

Manish

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Hitesh

Thanks for sharing your case with us :) .

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Raja

yea .. do tell us how was it exactly :) . Share other learnings which you get on the way ! . For RTI filing will you use rtination ? I guess you are outside india :)

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Srinivas

Thanks :)

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks Uttam

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Venkatesh

Good to hear that you are getting some value out of this information ! :)

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks Dhaval

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Raja says:

Yes trying to use RTI Nation.

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Aayush Dubey says:

Hello Manish,

I have downloaded Form 19 for EPF but finding difficulty in filling the information since it is asking break up of the account credits happened in this account which is not known to me. It would be great if you can provide pointers/write about how to fill the form.

Regards,
Aayush

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Jeetu says:

Hi Manish
This article is very useful and probably very relevant. Infact some of my colleagues were discussing and finding it a great mess as they applied for transfer of EPF funds which is still pending for many years.
I think now I can show your webpage to help them.

Thanks
Jeetu

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Suresh K Narula says:

Hello Manish

I was always looking for this informative article. Manish, can you explain how the EPF interest and pension are calculated.

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Ajay says:

Very informative article Manish. Thanks a lot!

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Vivek K says:

Great article Manish. It will increase the awareness at a great deal about utilizing the benefits of RTI.

Just wondering would RTI help to get refund from income tax department?

Posted on March 5th, 2012

sonal panchal says:

Manish, Really very good info. tks and regards….

Posted on March 5th, 2012

ram says:

I worked with a Private Company and where I was forced to change company without completing the formalities of Old Company. In this case how come I get my EPF balance??

Posted on March 5th, 2012

Karthikeyan says:

Kapil,

If it is their own trust, then you shouldn’t have any problem of getting the information. You might need to find the proper channel. It is the case with my previous employer. Initially, I don’t know to whom to ask but my HR team redirected me to proper person and got the answer with in two days.

Better check with your HR team.

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Kriti Parikh says:

Hello Manish,

this is very informative article. I have made notes in my personal investment book on how, where & when to contact RTI. I currently don’t have EPF set-up but have understood the necessary points for future reference. Also, I have shared my understanding with 3 friends who have EPF set up & they had absolutely no idea that RTI could be so much helpful!

Cheers!
Kriti Parikh

Posted on March 6th, 2012

VIKAS DEEP says:

Manish
This (Your reply) reminds me of an other point Is it my right to get a salary slip every month because my college does NOT gives salary slip to employees every month instead a consolidated salary statement is available by 15 th of every month so that the employees can go and if they want take a note of how much money they have received as salary, profession tax deduction etc BUT Till date No Body in my college has received a salary slip and if any one wants it then he has to get a special / extra ordinary permission from the management and chairman Only on written request of Chairman you can get a salary slip because asking for a salary slip is construed as begning of the process of resignation. I want ot know is getting as salry slip a right of the employee?? or that recruiter is free in this regard to have his own rules .
Thanks in advance for throwing light on this issue.

Posted on March 6th, 2012

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Posted on March 6th, 2012

Srinivas says:

May be. Would suggest you try ombudsman first. It works and i got refund of two years through that.

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Arun Rathi says:

Very informative and well framed article.
Thank you Manish

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Arun says:

Any idea how long they take to address a grievance? Cos when I filed one, I just got an acknowledgement number. Ideally I would have like them to set a time-frame for resolving the issue at hand…

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Santosh Prasad says:

I haven’t yet applied again….but will do so soon…:-)

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Santosh Prasad says:

If management is not giving salary slip to its employees, then I smell a rat here. Surely, they are doing something illegal, which they want to hide. However, if you want to know whether PF amounts are getting credited into your account or not, then first you have to know your EPF A/c no. This number should be provided by college accounts dept to employees. Because, if they are depositing PF money into EPF office, they have to mention each EPF A/c number along with contribution amount. If college authorities are not co-operating and providing you your EPF A/c number, then still there is way to find it out. You can come to know about your college’s establishment code from EPFO website. Visit this link http://59.180.233.229/estt_search/est_search.php and search for your college by either giving name or PIN number of the area where your college is located. It will give you the establishment code and name of EPF office under whose jurisdiction your college falls. Then file an RTI Application to the concerned EPF office giving your establishment code, your full name and ask for your EPF A/c number. You can also ask for a statement of your A/c to know the balance.

Posted on March 6th, 2012

VIKAS DEEP says:

Sir
Thank you very much for the information and the link. Now I will definitely file an RTI in this matter. Thanks a lot!

Posted on March 6th, 2012

bhushan says:

Didn’t know we have so much power and rights with us!!!

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Sreedhar Reddy says:

Manish,

Thanks for nice article. I came across few people, who are struggling to get the outstanding status and no response from EPFO. Now, it is my turn forwarding your article to them . Keep doing good job!!!!

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Sreedhar

Nice .. help your friends and they will love you for it

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Bhushan

Yea .. this happens a lot . we are so many times not aware we have so much power or right

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks Arun :)

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks Arun

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Kriti .. all you need to know is that you can file RTI for this purpose . whenever you need to do it , just start searching that information .. thats all !

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Ram

Just start a thread in our forum and you will get a very detailed and proper reply : jagoinvestor.com/forum

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Suresh

I am not aware of how EPF interest is calcualted as of now . Better ask it on our forum

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Vivek

Yes . I am sure RTI would be helpful for there .. just search this on net

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Jeetu

Great to hear that .. please do that :)

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Aayush

See http://www.epfochennai.tn.nic.in/pdf/General%20Instructions.pdf and http://www.epfochennai.tn.nic.in/pdf/General%20Instructions.pdf

Posted on March 6th, 2012

Vivek K says:

Can you please share the details of Ombudsman for IT returns?

Posted on March 7th, 2012

Vivek K says:

Found below link with all the relevant information, thought of publishing it for the benefit of readers.

http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/blogs/karira/326-rti-application-pending-refund.html

Posted on March 7th, 2012

K.C.Pareek says:

Good news for employees, who are waiting for epf withdrawals

Posted on March 7th, 2012

Deivasigamani says:

Another nice article. With this article I can sleep properly that the VPF money i am putting in the EPF will be safe only. I don’t want to worry that my money will be lost.

Although a PPF account is better than VPF, I haven’t created one but will do so in the starting of the next year as one more option.

Deiva

Posted on March 7th, 2012

Indranil Chandra says:

Normally they take about a month. I posted twice in the online grievance section for the status of my PF transfer and got the officer’s response in about a month on both occurrence.

Though finally when I have sent them all documents regarding the postal acknowledgement and everything , they told me that they have misplaced my records and I need to file it again :( .

Posted on March 7th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that you got some good value out of this article

Posted on March 7th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks for link Vivek , Will look into it !

Posted on March 7th, 2012

Pro Money Investor says:

Good to know that the RTI is working.It is a great tool for common man and if Anna team got further success with their present fight against corruption with Janlokpal bill,we will get more tools in hand.Looking forward for more articles.

Posted on March 7th, 2012

S S says:

Very useful information. Though I did not need to use RTI for my EPF withdrawal, but I have seen it work in passport office. I did not even file application, I just told them that I am going to send an application to designated RTI officer and that solved the problem.

Posted on March 7th, 2012

Jassi says:

O yes!!! and informing my friends too about this, who keep shifting companies :)

Posted on March 7th, 2012

Rajendra Pal says:

Excellent information on all topic in this blog. Though small small things but really hardly any other advisor can solve better than this blog. Thanks to manish for these supports.

The blog brings tranparency and confidence to take financial decision.

Like abov RTI, I cam to file an RTI not only to EPF related queries but all other queries.

excellent and once again thanks a lot.

Regards,
Rajendra Pal

Posted on March 8th, 2012

Satya says:

Nice & Useful info.

I know it is wrong forum to discuss my issue, But I ve no other appropriate choice.

Can I file RTI for a issue I found in my aadhar card? The Issue I escalated many time to the concerned dept thru email. Also I have logged grevience in central Govt portal under planning commision. But no reply.
I got an Aadhar card with wrong info. Postal code of my home town district shows another distrct name

Posted on March 8th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Satya

I think you can get it rectified using RTI , as Adhar card comes under govt only . What search on net have you dont on this issue ? Better discuss it on our forum : http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum

Posted on March 8th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Rajendra

Thanks for the compliment . Keep reading and taking actions !

Posted on March 8th, 2012

Amol says:

Nice article …

Posted on March 8th, 2012

khalid says:

nice information manish

i have an issue with state pension department. my father was in state government and his dues of arrears are stuck there for last 4-5 years because clerk there wants money to release it. can u help how to file there.

thanks

Posted on March 8th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Khalid

No idea on this – you can start a thread on our forum and I am sure you will get good direction http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum

Posted on March 9th, 2012

Arun says:

Thanks for your input Indranil :-)
One month is a lot of time. Looks like RTI is the best bet! All systems are biased in favour of the powers that be. If they expect any action from our side, they give us maybe 3 days. If anything has to be done from their end, they are allowed to take forever to do it…

And then they coolly say they have misplaced the documents and get away with it. Thanks to their callous attitude you have to spend more time and money on getting things done.

Posted on March 9th, 2012

Indranil says:

Very True Arun.
During first grievance submission , they told me that I need to submit Form 13. As if I have raised the grievance without submitting the forms. So the second time I attached all the forms scan copy and their acknowledgment and then they said they have misplaced.
Anyways I am submitting the form again . My current company have requested me to attach forms 3A, 5A and 10A and Form 7PS (in case of existing pension) with the application. They are telling this helps in faster transfer. I hope it happens :).
@ Manish, I have read these are different PF submission prrofs from my employer. But does this really hasten the process?

Posted on March 9th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thats good to know .. some times they know that they will have to Oblige to the RTI and when they know its better to solve it right now rather than wait . they did it :)

Posted on March 9th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Sure .. we will write more on this ..

Posted on March 9th, 2012

sanjay says:

Hi,

I am also facing the same issue about track of my EPS (pension) account. Basically the PF account is split into two – EPF (provident fund) and EPS (pension). I have changed 2 jobs and my EPF has been successfully transferred by the companies but the EPS is kept at the RPFC.
If anyone would have closely monitored their contribution, an amount of Rs 541 is taken from the employers contribution and deposited as pension. Now when i visited the RPFC office to check about my EPS transfer status for transfer from second company to third company, it had not receviced pension from my very first company. The last company had done the paper work and sent it to them but the clerk and staff act in a typical government manner that we have not received the application etc etc. Now as Manish and other fellow boarders have suggested about the greivance site, i will register to track about transfer from 1st company to 2nd and from 2nd to third. Hope this works as it intends to be.
I would also urge people to share their information/knowledge on EPS and also experience or success story about the complaint registered at epfigms.gov.in/

Regards,
Sanjay

Posted on March 9th, 2012

thamaraikannan says:

Hi Manish,
I have not yet transferred my PF from a company where I worked 8 years back. I tried to check the balance in the PF account at http://www.epfindia.com/MembBal.html. It is saying “Your Account has been marked as In-operative Account. For details please contact respective EPF Office.”

So things I have to do is,

1) Apply for transferring from old account to new account.
2) Give sometime (1 month) for the transfer
3) If it doesn’t happen, File RTI to know the status of my application.

Is that all? Or any other things to be done for in-active account? Please guide me.

Thanks in advance
Tmk

Posted on March 9th, 2012

Krishnan says:

Hi Manish How I will know the PO value for filing RTI for EPFO Pune? Can you help me please

Posted on March 10th, 2012

robin says:

Hi Manish ji,

i have apply to withdraw my pf amount and i have applied for it after 2 year i have not received the amount i am pasting the mail which is reply me by the my previous employer i want to know that is it right or not plz help me

first mail :
Dear Mr. Robin Shivhare,

We are in receipt of your PF withdrawal/Transfer form no. 19 along with
Pension form no. 10C.
In this regard, would like to inform you that:-

HDFC Standard Life Insurance Company Ltd.(herein after referred to as
”Company”) earlier maintained a PF trust which was recognized under Income
Tax Act, 1961. The Employees’ Provident Fund & Misc. Provisions Act, 1952
was made applicable to HDFC Standard Life Insurance Company Ltd. effective
November 16, 2007. The company thereafter made an application for exemption
under Para 27A of EPF & MP Act 1952 & Scheme framed there under for
maintaining an exempted PF trust, which was not conceded by the appropriate
authority.

Consequentially, the company had to surrender the existing HDFC Standard
Life Employees’ Provident Fund Trust to the Regional Provident Fund
Commissioner effective November 2010 contribution. The company thereafter
started depositing the contribution of all its active employees then to the
Regional Provident Fund Commissioner at Bandra.

The aforesaid process of transfer of trust to the Regional Provident Fund
Commissioner Office, Bandra is still in process and the company on account
of this transition is currently not authorized to process any PF & Pension
Settlement or Transfer or withdrawal of claims. Hence, the settlement would
only start post completion of the entire transition to the Regional
Provident Fund Commissioner Office, Bandra which will take around another
3-4 months. The settlements post this transition would be effected from
Regional Provident Fund Commissioner Office, Bandra.

While we agree on the inconvenience caused to you on account of such delay
in settlements, but given the statutory procedure defined, the company as
lawful corporate is adhering to the same and putting its best efforts in
closure of the issue on priority basis.

Thanks & Regards
PF Team | Human Resources I HDFC Standard Life Insurance Company Ltd EPF
Trust., Corporate Office, 12th floor, Lodha Excelus, Apollo Mills
Compound, N.M.Joshi Marg, Mahalaxmi, Mumbai 400 011
Connect With Us On

2nd mail :

Dear Mr. Robin Shivhare

HDFC Standard Life Insurance Company Ltd since inception maintained the
Provident Fund Trust on its own. Consequently as per provisions of the
Provident Fund Act, the company made an application to the appropriate
government authorities for “exemption” from profitability requirement so
that trust could still be managed by the company. The application was not
approved and we had no choice but to transfer the trust.

In view of the above and to avoid further inconvenience and delay to the
members, the Company, effective November 2010 decided to surrender the
trust to the Regional Provident Fund Commissioner. Normally once the trust
is surrendered, it does take time for movement of the trust. However, given
the complex nature of transfer it takes even more time if the trust has
been in existence for sometime and has large number of transactions. We
have of course continued to deposit the monthly contribution for all its
active employees since November 2010, transferred the existing funds in the
trust account to RPFC and also filed required documents for transfer of
securities to the authorities. The company has also started submission of
PF & Pension settlement forms effective December 2011 to the authorities.
We have received the requisite acknowledgements for each of these
submissions.

While we understand and regret the inconvenience caused to the members on
account of the entire transition, however, given that the process is
cumbersome involving huge sums of money, it normally takes a long time. We
are taking every possible step and action required to ensure speedy
settlement of your PF claim. However, we can push only that much and
finally it is entirely upto the convenience of Government authorities to
close the process. Given the progress made to date we believe it will take
another 2-3 months before the process is over and we return to normalcy.
We would like to assure members that their contributions are safe and would
attract interest till the date of settlement. In the mean time, you can be
in touch base with the following personnel whose email ids and cell phone
number is mentioned in case of any further queries. (Abhay Dhyagude –
adhayagude@hdfclife.com (cell 9920190481))

Regards,
PF Queries

3rd Mail :

—– Forwarded Message —–
From: PF Queries
To: robin_shivhare2000@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Status on HDFCSL Employee Provident Fund Trust transition to Regional Provident Fund Commissioner, Bandra. Emp. No.17777

Dear Mr. Robin Shivhare

HDFC Standard Life Insurance Company Ltd since inception maintained the
Provident Fund Trust on its own. Consequently as per provisions of the
Provident Fund Act, the company made an application to the appropriate
government authorities for “exemption” from profitability requirement so
that trust could still be managed by the company. The application was not
approved and we had no choice but to transfer the trust.

In view of the above and to avoid further inconvenience and delay to the
members, the Company, effective November 2010 decided to surrender the
trust to the Regional Provident Fund Commissioner. Normally once the trust
is surrendered, it does take time for movement of the trust. However, given
the complex nature of transfer it takes even more time if the trust has
been in existence for sometime and has large number of transactions. We
have of course continued to deposit the monthly contribution for all its
active employees since November 2010, transferred the existing funds in the
trust account to RPFC and also filed required documents for transfer of
securities to the authorities. The company has also started submission of
PF & Pension settlement forms effective December 2011 to the authorities.
We have received the requisite acknowledgements for each of these
submissions.

While we understand and regret the inconvenience caused to the members on
account of the entire transition, however, given that the process is
cumbersome involving huge sums of money, it normally takes a long time. We
are taking every possible step and action required to ensure speedy
settlement of your PF claim. However, we can push only that much and
finally it is entirely upto the convenience of Government authorities to
close the process. Given the progress made to date we believe it will take
another 2-3 months before the process is over and we return to normalcy.
We would like to assure members that their contributions are safe and would
attract interest till the date of settlement. In the mean time, you can be
in touch base with the following personnel whose email ids and cell phone
number is mentioned in case of any further queries. (Abhay Dhyagude –
adhayagude@hdfclife.com (cell 9920190481))

Regards,
PF Queries

Please suggest me what should i do

Robin Shivhare

Posted on March 10th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Its Rs 10

Posted on March 10th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Looks like you never initiated your transfer of olf EPF account to new one , then how will it happen on its own ?

Once you apply for transfer, you should be waiting for 9 months (that the offical turnaround time i guess, then file the RTI)

Manish

Posted on March 10th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Robin

Please post it on our forum : http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum

Posted on March 10th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Sanjay

I would say use RTI now on this issue , thats the best thing to do . also share this on forum http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum

Posted on March 10th, 2012

vignesh says:

Hi

I want to do post graduation for the next two years. For the past one year I am getting PF.I know that the amount with drawn before 5 yrs is taxable. i dont want to withdraw.

shall i keep that in the account or is it mandatory to withdraw or transfer ?

Pls guide me.

Regards
vignesh

Posted on March 11th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Vignesh

No , its not mandatory to withdraw or transfer it, but if the account is inoperative for 3 yrs, then the interest does not accrue after that . So better you withdraw it at some point later

Manish

Posted on March 11th, 2012

Kalyani says:

very useful post Manish. And the RTInation.com site also looks ‘helpful’ . From writing to the PF commissioner (thrice) to filing as many as 4 -5 applications for PF withdrawal, this looks like a solution at last ! Will try it out..

thanks

Posted on March 13th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes Kalyani

This will work for sure ! if you do it right way !

Posted on March 13th, 2012

vignesh says:

thanks manish

Posted on March 14th, 2012

Sreejith says:

Thanks Manish. That was a well described post. You covered all the points and even the format of PDF helped.

I have a doubt:
As per the new rule: Can you mention multiple questions in the single RTI application ? I somewhere read that its one question per RTI application ?

Please clear this doubt !

Regards
Sreejith

Posted on March 14th, 2012

Swapnl says:

I have used this link multiple times for the same grievance. However, not a single grievance has been addressed till date, it’s been almost 1 year since I first filed it. So only having such links for feel good factor does not help. It should actually work and that’s what matters.

Posted on March 14th, 2012

Raja says:

Ah !! Finally my RTI application has reached the destination on 12th March via RTI Nation. Now am waiting for the reply. In the meanwhile i’ve been tracking the development’s with the officer who is handling my case, (on her personal mobile number which i got from her on my last visit 2 months back) and she was still stuck due to some Annexure K requirement… bull crap…

It’s an all out offensive now :)

Posted on March 14th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Raja

GOod to know that .. So now this RTI application thing is totally seperate thing right ? Your earliar tracking will not affect this RTI application which you have filed . I hope this is how it is ! :) . Let us know what happens next :) .

Posted on March 14th, 2012

SG Verma says:

Sorry to hear that, Swapnl. Anyways, thanks for sharing your experience. I think in your case RTI will only help. I have also recently filed one grievance, will wait for 2 more weeks and then file RTI and share my experience.

Posted on March 15th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

YEs .;. please share what happened in your RTI case !

Posted on March 15th, 2012

samarth says:

Hi Manish,
This is a great article….And the timing is perfect…I have been struggling with my PF transfer for last 2 years (frm Bgl to Bandra, Mumbai). Visited both offices in person but in vain. Bgl said they have sent the form to Bandra. Bandra was unable to locate my form!! finally i applied for withdrawal but that too is pending for six months…apparently, the month in which i applied for withdrawal hasnt come up for processing yet..
one thing to note is that Bgl PF office numbers are useless since they either dont work or the PRO keep the phone off the hook throughout the day. Seen this in all of my 7 visits to KR Puram office.
Have applied RTI yday…fingers crossed! (though i’d like to mention that it was a struggle to get a pay order for Rs 10 from post office)

Posted on March 17th, 2012

Shiva says:

Manish

I absconded from my previous employer and he is not releasing my PF. I have asked him several times about it and don’t see a response. Do you know how I can handle this?

Posted on March 17th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Shiva

You dont need your empployer in this , just fill up the EPF withdrawal form and submit it : http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/10353-how-withdraw-epf.html

Posted on March 18th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Samarth

Good to hear that .. now keep following your RTI application and what happens next . You should hopefully get the things done in 2-3 months for surew

Posted on March 18th, 2012

Nachiket Mokashe says:

Hi,I really appreciate ur efforts..I hope all the clueless victims of government lethargy will benefit from it…Kudos to u!!!

Posted on March 20th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks Nachiket !

Posted on March 20th, 2012

Sachin says:

Hi Manish,

Thanks for sharing this useful information…U r picking up really helpful topics.

– Sachin

Posted on March 21st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks Sachin !

Posted on March 21st, 2012

Arun Jayant says:

This maybe a silly/stupid question, anyway here goes nothing – why is it that the EPF interest rate is decided at the end of the Financial Year? What’s the logic?
(I mean, when I open an FD for instance I know the interest rate and period in advance, so I can compare and select from amongst several Banks.)

Posted on March 21st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Arun

Its always for the next year :) , not the current year !

Posted on March 21st, 2012

Arun says:

So, this 8.25% is for FY 12-13?

Posted on March 22nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Arun

As far as I understand yes its applicable from next year

Posted on March 22nd, 2012

Arun says:

http://www.simpletaxindia.net/2011/12/interest-rate-on-epf-financial-year.html

Looks like its for FY 11-12 from the link above, or have I got it wrong again?

Posted on March 22nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Arun

Seems like yes . you are correct , its for 2011-2012

Posted on March 22nd, 2012

Krishnan says:

Hi Manish, As per your advice I have already filed an RTI with Pune EPF. I have sent it in registered post on 12th March. I had kept an acknowledgement and till date I haven’t received it. It is a little worrisome for me whether it might have lost in any of the file heaps in the EPF office. Just for reassurance could you please suggest a solution 1)How can I ensure whether my RTI has reached the right hands? 2) If I didn’t get a reply for my RTI what should be my next step? 2) Usually what is the timeline for getting an answer for the RTI application? Rgds Krishnan

Posted on March 25th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Krishnan

I think you should wait for total 30 days after you have sent it , Its really rare that RTI does not work , incase it happens , then you file another RTI mentioning about the first RTI and then it should work , as this is sarkari thing, dont get disheartened if things dont work out in first go , anywyas you might have waited for years , why not few more months , if there is atleast some HOPE this time !

Posted on March 26th, 2012

Phani says:

Hi,

2 months after application i got an acknowledgement SMS from Bangalore KR Puram PF office and then after 1 more month i got another SMS saying Claim approved for payment through cheque and payment in progress.

Any idea how much time it takes from this stage? Should i wait for 15 more days before filing RTI?
One more question – Any idea on what happens if an employee leaves the company when the PF transfer is already in progress to an account?

Thanks & Regards
~Phani.

Posted on March 27th, 2012

Krishnan says:

Hi Manish, Thanks. That is reassuring. Rgds Krishnan

Posted on March 27th, 2012

Sai Sriram says:

I have query on interest calculation of PF transfer which is pending for over 3 years and now PF account is in active state. In 2008 I applied for PF transfer from karnataka to Hyderabad. I have the acknowledgement copy given by my employor which has PF office stamp, date and details. Hyderabad PF stated that money is not transferred from Karnataka. Karnataka PF states that documents are not sent by Hyderabad PF. Now since 2011, interest is not accrued on Karnataka PF amount. I have sent 16+ emails which went unanswered. I know the money can be definitely be transferred using RTI, but my query is can I demand for interest on PF account which went into withhold state (inactive) for no mistake of mine while I have all the proofs. Karnataka PF office states that interest can not be paid. Can anyone advise me please ?

Posted on March 27th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

This is really tricky , as per what I understand the EPF should have the interest atleast . I think you should file an RTI for this reason alone and ask them offical wordings on the interest part , it will help . Also post the question on our forum to get better clarity on this : http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/

Posted on March 28th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Phani

there should not be any issue with PF account if you leave the job in between . Also I think you should wait for 30-45 days . RTI is not going to do magic in few days !

Posted on March 28th, 2012

Phani says:

Thanks Manish as always for the reply.

Posted on March 28th, 2012

samarth says:

hi manish,
thank you so much for this gem of an insight….got my pf within a week of my filing rti…it works!!!

Posted on March 31st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Samarth !

Posted on March 31st, 2012

Raja says:

My case is still in the mid air. Got a response to the online grievance a week back, saying it “has been approved for transfer and sent for verification. Will receive the payment after completion of verification process.” And they closed the grievance.
Not a single word of the response make’s sense to me, as firstly i had not applied for transfer but withdrawal. And I don’t know what verification they are talking about how much time it takes, if i have any role to play in the verification process.
In the meanwhile they have received my RTI application on 12th March and am still waiting for a reply.
Also the lady officer who is dealing my case and with whom i was following up on her personal phone has refused to entertain me after she learnt that i’ve applied for RTI ;)
And now i have lodged a second grievance based on the response of first grievance :)

This is very typical of how things work in my case. I normally have to slog it out, but they happen in the end. So it will happen definitely :) It’s only 7th month now after PF office received the application and 9th month since i gave application to my employer.

Regards
Raja

Posted on March 31st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

All i can say is Bad luck :) .. just keep following up , with RTI in hand you have better tools , thats all I can say .. Sarkari kaam to Sarkari hi hai :)

Manish

Posted on March 31st, 2012

Priyaketu says:

How much interest in PPF? Whether it is Compound Interest or Simple Yearly Interest ?Pl. answer. It is benefted to keep money in Bank FD or PPF? Pl. clearify.

Priyaketu

Posted on April 8th, 2012

GAURAV PANDE says:

First of all, very useful information. I am following all your steps and hopefully I will get my information using RTI tool. Meanwhile, I heard a very disturbing news that interest calculations on PF account has gone wrong terribly for year 2009-2010. Now EPFO is recalculating the interest and till the time it happens all account balances shown on EPFO sites do not include the interest amount. Is it true?

Posted on April 9th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Gaurav

Where did you hear that ? Any link ?

Posted on April 10th, 2012

Raja says:

Finally good news. Exactly 1 month after PF department received my RTI application. I have received the PF money in my account. Although, i would have liked to receive a detailed statement to verify the correctness of the amount. But at this moment am pretty happy. Will follow up with another RTI to get a detailed statement.

Thanks Manish! This is indeed of great help!

RTI nation site was very smooth and no hassles.

Regards
Raja

Posted on April 11th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Raja

Great to hear that :) .. congratulations !

Posted on April 11th, 2012

Narendra Kumar.S.S says:

With regard to PF accounts maintained in Bangalore EPFO, when we try to check the status online, it tells that the database is updated upto 28th March 2010.

So, any idea, when the data will get updated to the latest?
And is there any other way to check the status online?

Posted on April 16th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Narendra

No , if they have not updated the latest data , then the old way to get info is through RTI

Posted on April 16th, 2012

Narendra Kumar.S.S says:

I have submitted a grievance under EPFO.
It has been nearly 4 months since I raised this grievance.

Also, I have raised a grievance in http://dpg.gov.in
I submitted this nearly 3 weeks back.

So, do you think I should wait for the grievance to get resolved or closed before submitting an RTI?
Or is it ok to submit an RTI in parallel to all this?

Posted on April 16th, 2012

Narendra Kumar.S.S says:

And is there a timeframe within which they have to reply to an RTI?

Posted on April 16th, 2012

Venkata Mahesh says:

Hi Manish,

This article helped me alot. Thanks for you.

I need to get PF Transfer status with Annexure-K details for my two PF transfers done in Bangalore EPF office. One day, I went to PF office and enquired about it and spent 5 hrs time to get the status. Finally after spending 5 hrs time in PF office, some how I got information my PF got transferred from old book by PF office employee but still I don’t have good amount of information about how much amount got transferred, date of transferred, annexure-k details etc. When I asked about them, they told come after 1 week. I know, even after 1 week.. I won’t be getting full details for my two PF transfers. This is how government office’s work!

PF members are the highest priority customers for EPF India. EPF employees gets their salary and other benefits from PF members amount. Not sure why PF office employees won’t respect or give priority for their customers!

Anyway.. these are my experiences with PF Office and don’t know full details about PF transfer from last 3 years.

By reading this article, I want to give a try with RTI application on my PF transfer status with Annexure-K details.

Myself wrote a letter in requesting PF transfer status with Annexure-K details and sent RTI application to “EPF Commissioner, Bangalore” on 10-Mar-12 with Postal Order Rs. 10/- via Speed Post. EPF Bangalore office received my RTI application on 13-Mar-12.

Surprisingly, I got reply on 14-Mar-12 with full enough below details from EPF Commissioner –

1) Status of PF Transfers
2) Total amount transferred for each PF transferred on so and so date
3) Annexure-K details for each PF transfer

RTI Act 2005 worked in my case.

This is a real time thing happened to me and want to share with others with this blog chain.

Once again thanks for your article to solve problems with government offices using RTI.

Thx,
– Venkata Mahesh J.

Posted on April 16th, 2012

Ravi Virwani says:

Filed RTI query today for my PF transfer pending from last three years Vashi office to Bandra office… hope something works

Posted on April 16th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Best of luck Ravi

Keep on updating what is the progress !

Posted on April 17th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Venkata

Really happy for you …. spread this knowledge to those who might be in need of this

Posted on April 17th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Narendra

You should wait for 1 month

Posted on April 17th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Narendra

I think you can file an RTI now .. 3-4 months is very long time to get a reply !

Posted on April 17th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Priyaketu

Its a compound interest on yearly basis , but its calculated on monthly basis and added back one time at the end of the year .. you will get proper idea from this article : http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2012/02/how-ppf-interest-is-calculated-video.html

Posted on April 17th, 2012

rakesh says:

hi,
i am facing the same problem with my PF account. i got information from local PF office that they have the acknowledgement from bank means they are saying that the check is collected by bank. but in bank there is no information about my check now what i have to do from where i have to request information weather from bank or PF office

rakesh

Posted on April 24th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Rakesh

All you need to now do is file a RTI application ,it would be fastest and cheapest way to do it

Posted on April 24th, 2012

Balakrishna Y. V. says:

Hi,
I had applied for sanction of advance/withdrawal from my EPF account for purchasing house in my spouse’s name. After almost three months my application got rejected stating insufficient Bank details. I resubmitted From 31 along with the details asked for. My application again got rejected for two more new reasons. 1. As per office manual procedure spouse is not eligible for loan for purchase of house U/P 68B & 2. Also for more than one lakh amount IFSC code number is required (If there is no eligibility, what is the significance of IFSC code !!!!!).
Is it correct?

Posted on April 27th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Balakrisha

How much time are you in service ? Because you cant with draw your EPF just for any reason . You are talking about the EPF withdrawal when you are service correct ?

Posted on April 28th, 2012

Balakrishna Y. V. says:

I’m having a service of more than 10 yrs and i’m eligible to withdraw amount from EPF account for the purchase of house as per the EPF Scheme 1952. The main reason for rejecting the application is that the property being purchased is in my spouse name (i.e. not in the name of EPF member)

Posted on April 28th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes .. as per EPF laws the house has to be on your name , only then you can withdraw it

Posted on April 28th, 2012

Ketan says:

Just wanted to update that following this article, I submitted an RTI query to RPFO, Bangalore (through rtination). My PF transfer was pending from six months. After submitting RTI query, on the 30th day I got an email from my current employer that PF has been transferred from RPFO to company trust. In another couple of days I got a letter from RPFO answering all my queries. Thank you Manish for this post, it works!!

Posted on May 3rd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Ketan :) .. congratulations :)

Posted on May 3rd, 2012

Krishnan says:

Hi Manish, I have received a reply for the RTI which I have filed on 12th March for EPF withdrawal. I think after filing RTI they have hastily sent a letter to my old employer on 20th March 2012 highlighting that the PF and EPS claim has been rejected and has been sent back to my old employer due to incorrect employee records like Form 9, 6A,3A etc. In the letter it is mentioned that ” you have not given the PF No. as per there date of joining to the estb. and not in chronological order as per date of joining”. I want to tread cautiously in this regard. Can you kindly advise my next plan of action in this regard? Just writing a mail/letter to my previous employer won’t be sufficient. It should be of a little higher degree of dosage that I have to give these HR guys to do their job properly. Kindly advise.

Posted on May 10th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Krishnan

I dont think contacting the HR in your old companies will help a lot . Dont you have data like joining date in the old company , your PF number etc etc .. Because then you can file the forms once again to them . Try contacting your company first and see the response . Else file one more RTI asking questions on how things can be moved from this point . What all they need from you personally to process things .

Posted on May 11th, 2012

Krishnan says:

Thanks Manish. Will try doing the above processes. Rgds Krishnan

Posted on May 11th, 2012

lata says:

My eps amt recieved from the Pf office was 6000 wheras in the tenure of employment Rs 9400 EPS has been deducted from my salary.i need to file RTI for this because no reason ,explanation provided.when i called up the PF office says that we dont dispatch statemnbt.So I want to ask for explantion for difference through RTI.Can someone tell me how much postal stamp amount required for EPFO bandra?

Posted on May 14th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2012/03/rti-for-epf-withdrawal-or-transfer.html

Use this .. you need to just get a Postal Order form of Rs 10 . Did you see how EPS amount is given , its as per table D ,that should make it clear !

Posted on May 14th, 2012

Deep says:

Hi Mr. Chauhan,

Can you please help me with your inputs?

I applied for transfer from my ex-employer (Bangalore) to my present employer (Delhi). My ex-employer forwarded my details to my present employer on 6th July 2011. As per my present employer, it also sent my details to their PF office (Delhi) quite some time ago. Now on checking the Claim Status link at the Delhi Office, I have been getting the following message since ages –

“Your transfer in details for crediting new account has been received and the same is under process.”

What according to you this message means? This message can be seen at couple of stages – 1. When my present employer has sent transfer request to Delhi Office 2. When the Bangalore PF office has sent ‘something’ to the Delhi office.

I checked my balance at the Bangalore PF office and I was successful, which means the money is still lying with the Bangalore office.

Thanks.
Best,
Deep

Posted on May 20th, 2012

Shri says:

Dear Sir/Madame,

After 5months, lot of chasings, my PF application has been rejected stating that ‘Member Reissue application rejected as joint bank A/C not acceptable’.

Is there any clause stating that the application with bank details where the accounts are held in joint is not acceptable for PF withdrawal?

Thanks,
Shri

Posted on May 21st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes. One should have a single name account for EPF. Joint accounts are not accepted for EPF. The money belongs to the subscriber. It should go to him only as long as he is alive. Noone else should get a chance to appropriate it.

Posted on May 21st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

I would just say that file an RTI for this and get the info !

Posted on May 21st, 2012

Iqbal S Chawla says:

Hi
Thanks for this blog, it is very informative and useful. I wanted to know the procedure of withdrawal in case pf account is maintaned by company ‘s PF trust. Does R PF office is involved in this case.

Thanks
Regards,
Iqbal

Posted on May 21st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

No , I dont think it will come under RTI , check this on : http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum

Posted on May 22nd, 2012

IYYAPPAN says:

hai
i sent three RTI to epf mumbai-bandra but i havent still bending to transfer my account to chennai epf due to some dispute in my account what can i do. it is dispute with my employer and epf office goa. But goa epf office sent my epf account epf mumbai with dispute. now my account cannt transfer to chennai epf office. what can i do

pl help me

Posted on May 23rd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Did you get any replies to those RTI ? May be you are doing something wrong there ! ..

Posted on May 23rd, 2012

Rupesh KP says:

How we will come to know if the EPFO has received our RTI application or not?

Posted on May 24th, 2012

Hemant says:

Hi Manish,

I submitted RTI for a transfer case (I was working in Pune, shifted to Mumbai now) to the Mumbai EPFO. Today, I have received a letter from CPIO, Mumbai that my application has been forwarded to Pune EPFO as it closely relates to the Pune office. I asked for the current status of the application along with balance amounts of the accounts. Now, would Mumbai office answer the queries relevant to it or the whole RTI will be answered by Pune office? When can i file for First appeal in this case? I smell the govt babus at work, just trying to buy some time.

Regards

Posted on May 26th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Hemant

You should have just asked them if the transfer process is initiated from Mumbai or not , I can see that its done because they forwarded it to Pune now . So now you should file one more RTI to Pune office asking them for it .

Manish

Posted on May 26th, 2012

Hemant says:

Hi Manish,

Thank you for your reply. Two queries :-

1) According to RTI, CPIO has to highlight portions which are related to the Mumbai office and send the remaining portions only pertaining to Pune office. So, should I expect a reply for those questions? And the letter no way states that the action from their end has been completed. It is an inference you and me can derive but no-one knows the current stage.
2) Would it be appropriate to file another RTI at Pune? Already one has been forwarded to the Pune office..surely no issues right? I will frame questions very carefully this time and ask questions only pertaining to Pune.

Regards

Posted on May 26th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

In that case I think you should have asked open ended questions whose answers can clearly give you some idea on the situation , I am suspecting that you asked general questions whose answers have just confused you more . Ask things like

– Is my transfer process complete from Mumbai ?
– Is my EPF transferred from Mumbai to Pune
– When was my EPF transferred to Pune Office and When ?

Manish

Posted on May 26th, 2012

Padmesh KC says:

I have applied for transfer 2 and half years ago. Till now no response from them inspite of direct visit innumerable times. I was about to file RTI. as per your suggestion, to check the current status before filing RTI,
When I check the current status, it is showing “Claim Form 13 for Transfer to New Account Number: AGAINST Old Member Account has been rejected. Rejection letter is under dispatch/ dispatched to address in your claim”.

How do i proceed.
Padmesh
9344873190

Posted on June 1st, 2012

Sachin says:

Hi ,

Thanks for posting such a valuable information. Can you please tell me does RTI cover exempted PF trust? My previous employer maintains the PF in house as its an exempted trust.

Mine is a transfer case from EPFO, Pune to Exempted PF trust in Mumbai. The EPFO, Pune has confirmed via online grievance that the amonut has been transffered to the bank account and till date transferred has not been returned back to EPFO, Pune. However, my previous employer ( exempted trust) is NOW non- responsive and initially it was in denial mode that they haven’t received any Tranfer money. Hence, I would like to know if I can file a RTI application against this exempted trust? Or is there any other way to get a concrete proof from EPFO, Pune?

Thanks

Posted on June 1st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

I am not sure if you can file the RTI for them or not , but why dont you try filing once ..

Posted on June 1st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

First file an RTI on this , say that what is the status , if its rejected , what is the reason for it ? And what is your next action !

Posted on June 1st, 2012

Atul says:

Hi,

I am filling the RTI application, seeking the PF trasfer status. Both my source & destination accounts are in Pune. In the “To” field of the application I mentioned the following address. Is it correct ?
———————————
Central Public Information Officer
Employees’ Provident Fund Organization,
Office of the Addl. Central Provident Fund Commissioner
(Maharashtra & Chhattisgarh),
Bhavishya Nidhi Bhavan,
341, Bandra (East),
Mumbai – 400 051
———————————

Also where should I send the RTI application? Shall I send it to the above address or at either of the following address
——————————
RO, Pune
APFC, Post Box No. 226, IInd Floor, Pune Cantonment Board Building, Golibar Maidan, Pune – 411 001 ro.pune@epfindia.gov.in
020-26402120

OR

Shri N.K.Sakpal, RPFC II,
Post Box No. 226, IInd Floor, Pune Cantonment Board Building, Golibar Maidan, Pune – 411 001 ro.pune@epfindia.gov.in

——————————

Thanks in advance.

Atul

Posted on June 4th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Why are you addressing it to Bandra Office in Mumbai , you said that in your case its PUNE ?

Posted on June 4th, 2012

Atul says:

Many thanks for response Manish.

Just found the pune address. Now I am mentioning the following address in “To” field of the letter & sending it to the same address using speed post. This is correct right ?
————————————————
Central Public Information Officer
Employees’ Provident Fund Organization,
2nd and 3rd Floor, Pune Cantonment Board Building,
Near Golibar Maidan, Camp, Pune-411001 (Maharashtra).
———————————————-

Thanks in advance

Atul

Posted on June 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes . speed post or registered post

Posted on June 6th, 2012

Raghavendra G says:

I found following link has a very useful document to understand RTI Act. It covers Do’s and Don’t’s .
http://circulars.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02rti/1_8_2007_IR.pdf

Posted on June 9th, 2012

Sriramabathiran says:

Hi,

Thank you for the updates you have given here. Its very informative and i am going to file one RTI based on above mentioned steps. My case is, i worked on a concern in Chennai from 2006 to 2007 and they maintained my PF accounts in RPF Chennai. In 2008 i joined a new concern in Chennai but, they maintained my PF accounts in RPF Kandivalli(Mumbai). I opted for a PF transfer from 1st concern to 2nd concern, but to my sadness the transfer amount not got credited to the 2nd account. This is because i opted for PF withdrawal from 2nd concern on Jan 2009 and i received my cheque on Oct 2009, then i went to my 1st concern and submitted a PF withdrawal form to RPF Chennai. They replied me in written that your PF funds has been credited to your 2nd PF account on May 2009, so, rejecting the application form. I got this reply to my house address on June 2010. From that date i have been raising grievances to both the office RPF Chennai and RPF Mumbai. Both of them are not updating me correct information as what happened to the 9017 rs(PF amount accumulated in my 1st concern). Recently went to Chennai RPF and inquired directly on this, they gave me cheque no and the date of the transfer (From Chennai RPF to Mumbai RPF). With these information i filed grievance against RPFO Kandivalli on April 17. But, i have not received any reply till date. Now, i am going to file RTI to RPF Mumbai against the status of the cheque no provided to me by Chennai accounts officer. I will update the forum about the status of my issue after some time.

Posted on June 9th, 2012

SG Verma says:

Hi Manish,
I got my money 3 weeks back. But this happened only because of RTI. Online grievance didn’t worked for me.

cheers

Posted on June 10th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yea good to see that you will be filing the RTI .. update us on what is the status

Posted on June 10th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks for the link . will have a look

Posted on June 10th, 2012

Praveen says:

Hi Manish,

What happens to the EPF if employee goes absconding ? If the company has its own PF trust then can that company seal the EPF for that employee. This topic may not be related to this post but if you know about it please help me :)

Posted on June 12th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

If employee goes absconding , then the nominee of the person or legal heirs can approach the company to understand the next process . the employee might either be considered as dead after a point or else it will become tough to take out the EPF money .

Posted on June 13th, 2012

Suresh kumar says:

HI

My name suresh kumar i worked at SNC -LavalinInfrs inhyderabad that is project office and that HO Delhi i relived my job on 2011.Dec and i received my EPF amount .but not actual earnings as per my Form 3A how get remaining amount . already put grievance reg. but they replayed non actionable case .. how to get balance amount pls suggest

Posted on June 14th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Use RTI for this issue ! .. you will get all the answers

Posted on June 14th, 2012

Kiran says:

Hi Manish,

First of all thanks for this wonderful information.
Recently i have shifted to a new company. They have generated PF account number. I tried to check my PF balance online but I could NOT find Region code and office code (mentioned in the PF account number) in the below link http://epfoservices.in/epfo/member_balance/member_balance_office_select.php

Please suggest in this case how to get to know correct information? Will RTI help here also?

Posted on June 14th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

If its very new EPF accoutn , may be the info is not updated !

Posted on June 15th, 2012

10 facts you dont know about EPF | Sangal Associates says:

[...] Did you know that you can file an RTI applicable to get any kind of information regarding your EPF. You can file it if you are facing issues like no clarity about balance in your EPF, no action taken for your EPF withdrawal or transfer. To find out information about other issues on EPF. I have done a detailed post on how to file an RTI for your EPF issue. [...]

Posted on June 18th, 2012

Vinay says:

The RTInation website is not working any more … the domain name has expired… any news on this??????????

Posted on June 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

I can see it working properly just now .. have a look again . .what is the url you are seeing ? I am seeing http://www.rtination.com/register

Posted on June 19th, 2012

Vinay says:

I am still not able to access the website…. the link mentioned by you in the reply or the one mentioned in this article takes me to the same page… which says the domain has expired – This domain name expired on Jun 18 2012 09:59AM
Click here to renew it.

Posted on June 19th, 2012

Hetav says:

Hi Manish,
It seems my previous company has still not submitted my PF withdrawal application. It’s been 5 months now.Is there any time-limit for companies to submit the PF withdrawal claims to the PF office?

Posted on June 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

No there is no time limit like this . Enquire in your company why they have not done it . If they dont do it , you can file it yourself

Posted on June 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

NO , I dont see that .. i think you need to clear your cache :)

Posted on June 19th, 2012

ISH says:

Hi Manish,

I had applied for the PF transfer from my old organisation STERIA, Noida to new organisation DELL PEROT SYSTEM.
This tranfer request had been approved but unfortenately the cheque is not received by the Dell Perot system PF office and returned back to Noida PF office. After that I filled the Withdrawal forms 19 and 10C for Steria PF and submitted it in Noida PF office. But that PF withdrawal request had been rejected and the reason of rejection was claim already settled.

But this claim is not settled because neither this Steria PF amount is transferred ( due to return of cheque) nor withdrawan by me.

Moreover I had already withdrawn the Dell Perot system PF amount.

So can you tell me is there any process that the above mentioned PF transfer should be reversed and I can opt for PF withdrawal. Also Please suggest me where should I need to apply for PF withdrawal in Noida PF office or in Dell Perot system PF office.

Posted on June 20th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

ISH

A similar issue I am also facing for my wife EPF , our cheque was also returned from our home because no one was at home . We came to know this when we filed an RTI , and then I recently filed an RTI to know when will I get the revised cheques ? You should also find out from the RTI application about your query . File an RTI first to the source (STERIA) to get the exact info and status

Posted on June 21st, 2012

ISH says:

Hi Manish,

Is there any procedure that transfer request can be cancelled and I can opt for PF withdrawal

Posted on June 21st, 2012

Vivek says:

Your information proved useful for me. I had given for withdrawal of my EPF and did not receive it for two year even after filing grievance.I was hesitant on filing RTI but the clarity with which you explained in the above page made it quite easy. RTI did the trick and I received it around 25 days after filing the RTI. Thanks
Vivek

Posted on June 21st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that :)

Posted on June 22nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

I am not sure .. on this .. Better query through RTI itself

Posted on June 22nd, 2012

sowmya says:

Very useful info indeed. I too have a similar case of not receiving any info about my PF balance and transfer initiated by my prev employer. I would go ahead and file RTI as mentioned.
Thank you so much for sharing this

Posted on June 25th, 2012

Atul says:

First of all thanks a lot for wonderful post. This post clearly tells how to fill the RTI. I find it very useful.

I filled the RTI around 20 days before, no response yet, is there any way I can track the record?

Atul

Posted on June 25th, 2012

Vijay Das says:

Hi Manish,
The RTI Application format is no longer accessible.

http://img.jagoinvestor.com/files/EPF-RTI-Letter-template.pdf

Could you please check and upload the same.

Posted on June 26th, 2012

Vinay says:

Hi,
This is reply for a grievance registered by me in regard to my PF Claim.
Can you please suggest further action i should take in this regard.

(This is with reference to your Grievance registered vide Registration Number DELSO/E/2012/05116.
It is informed that your grievance is being treated as non-actionable due to the following reason(s):
PF and EPS claims have been settled for Rs. xxxxx/- and Rs. zzzzz/- vide cheque no. 597675 and 603319 dated 02/03/2012 and to cheque returned date.06/03/2012.Plz- dubmited form ASR.

Therefore, we are closing your grievance from this office.Please quote the same in your future correspondence.)

Posted on June 26th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

So your cheque are returned, this exact thing happened with my wife EPF also , I have filed a new RTI asking them to put the money through another cheque to our address again or directly deposit in our account through NEFT, do the same thing

Posted on June 26th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Vijay

there was some thing going on which messed it up , check now

Posted on June 26th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Atul

Wait for more days .. the turnaround time for RTI application is 30 days from the date the other side gets it , so you should wait for 15-20 more days . If you have filed with properly you will get a reply for sure !

Posted on June 27th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Let us know what happens after 1 month of filing the RTI !

Posted on June 27th, 2012

Srikanth says:

Hi,
I want to know the process of RTI for getting inforamtion about my village panchayath funds were used for last 2 years.
As we know that there is a lot of corruption is happening but we do not have evidence to question them.Can anyone help me so that I can stop curraption and be a part of my vellage development

Posted on June 27th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

the process is same as explained in this article, instead of EPF , it would be village panchayt, but do they come under RTI ? IS there any govt body representing it ?

Posted on June 28th, 2012

ram niwas Sahu says:

Hi Team,

I have submitted a withdrawal request 3 months back for my 3 yrs back pF account , that time balance was showing in my account when i checked it online but now it shows
“Your Account has been marked as In-operative Account. For details please contact respective EPF Office”

WHat to do in this case , Please guide me Anyone

Thanks
Ram Niwas Sahu
niwasenator@gmail.com

Posted on July 1st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Was your account inoperative from last 3 yrs ? Because after 3 yrs if there is no activity, EPF account becomes dormant . Do one thing, now you better use RTI for enquiring about your EPF

Posted on July 1st, 2012

Vikal Arora says:

My Friend worked with a Private Company which was having its Own PF Trust.Unfortunately he expired leaving his parents & 1 brother, 3 sisters in family.The company informed that he had made His Brother as nominee in PF Account(Which is not Allowed as per PF Act rules).His brother himself is a Govt Employee.The company is saying that ,they will give PF to brother as they have no problem & they will also send the Form2 with Pension Forms & EDLI forms to concerned PF Commissioner.
My query is:
1- Can the PF Trust of Company give money to Deceased Employee’s Brother overriding PF Act(As it is actually Company’s PF Trust)?
2-Can a brother get Pension ie EPS 95 & also the EDLI throught life as he is himself a Govt. Employee?
3-Can Mother apply for PF withdrawl & the brother apply for pension(as he has a long life & thus greater pension period)?
4-If brother receives pension other than salary,will the pension be taxable?

Pls answer above queries at the earliest as dear Manishji is having all the capabilities to answer the above queries,I believe.
warm regards
Vikal
thanks

Posted on July 1st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Vikal

I hope you understand the NOMINEE Is just a person for recieving the money and not the final owner .

1. Yes he can get it, but on showing death certificate and filling up some forms

2. I dont think so

3. yes she can also get it , but in this case as she is not a NOMINEE ,she will have to give succession certificate which she will get from court.

4. Yes it will be taxable

Posted on July 2nd, 2012

Ankur Agarwal says:

Hi,

I have moved from India couple of months back. Before moving, I have transferred my Post Office RD a/c to my native place. But even after 3 months, the RD is not transferred and I am not able to trace where the RD is? How can I file an RTI and to whom I have to address in this case.

Thanks,
Ankur

Posted on July 10th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes you can file a RTI here and you will have to address is to CPIO of the head post office in your jurisdiction , you can do it only using those website which help you file RTI applications online !

Posted on July 10th, 2012

Atul says:

Hi,

Thanks Manish again, this is really wonderful article on RTI.

I am filling an RTI to Banagalore office, is there any word limit? Although I tried to put only important things however total number of words coming in the RTI letter is 296? Please suggest.

Thanks in advance.

Atul

Posted on July 11th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Atul

Yes, you should keep it at minimum 296 is really good. one should keep minimum like 1000, but yours is way below the limit , so good .

The point is to keep it to the point ! , best of luck !

Posted on July 12th, 2012

Biplab Mukherjee says:

Hi Manish,

i am not sure whether my earlier request got posted with you. I am really hopeful of a resolution of my long pending EPF issue with my ex-employer :
* I was employed with a Public Ltd. Company for almost 10 years , during 2001 I resigned from my services with the ex-employer and gave 45 days’ Notice.

* As per the Company Rules 60 days’ Notice / equivalent pay is required , however, my ex employer refused to accept my resignation on the ground of short notice period. However I went ahead and joined my new employer

* Till date after 11 years and several request letters, applications, etc. and after I have changed three jobs since then , I have not received my accumulated EPF. Nor the employer replied to my letters.

* Please suggest should I go for RTI or some other legal recourse to recover the hard earned savings.

Regards,
Biplab.

Posted on July 12th, 2012

Ramesh S says:

Hi Manish, Firstly Thank you very much for providing such a great service for the nation. Today I have filed my RTI document for EPF withdrawal delay issue.
Could you tell me with the current scenario what would be the timeline to get the response ?

Thanks.

Posted on July 12th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

30 days from the date of receipt of the application !

Posted on July 13th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Obviosuly you should go for RTI now , i am surprised how you waited for 11 yrs .

File an RTI and ask questions like

1. Did my withdrawal request happen at all ? (it might have happened that it never happened)
2. If yes, how much time it will take to come ?
3. If Not, what is the procedure to apply for it
4. What is the current balance in my EPF account and how much interest has been credited in last 11 yrs !

Manish

Posted on July 13th, 2012

Atul says:

Thanks Manish. Your blogs says for karnataka limit is 150 words. If 150 is not the limit then please update it the blog.

Here is the snippet
>> “•Be very specific while asking the questions, don’t ask unimportant or unnecessary questions, because some states like Karanataka have limits on the number of words in the RTI application (150 incase of Karnataka)”

Posted on July 14th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

It might have changed now , check on the website of the department concerned !

Posted on July 14th, 2012

Biplab Mukherjee says:

Thanks Manish,

Yes i have sent an application under RTI to EPFO , Mumbai. Thanks again for providing the application format as well suggested queries.

Biplab

Posted on July 15th, 2012

muthukumar says:

Sir, i have worked in an college in bangalore from nov 2008 to march 2012. For epf, the college debited Rs.780 from my monthly salary each month from feb 2010 to march 2012 (26 months). the college is not willing to releave me from their institution. And also not providing the epf account number to me. So i cant able to withdraw my entire epf amount for above mentioned 26 months.
Can anyone tell me how to find my epf number and also to withdraw my amount without the employer’s(college) help..

waiting for positive results..
Thanks
S.Muthukumar

Posted on July 16th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Muthukumar

You must be having the EPF number in your salary slip , if you are not having it still , you can get it from EPF website , but putting establishment code of your company in their website , do one thing, start a thread at our forum on this – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/

Posted on July 16th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Nice .. come again after 30 days and let us know the status !

Posted on July 17th, 2012

ankit gupta says:

sir
i am working in an organisation from 4 feb 2012 and have to resign on 31 july 2012 due to some reasons.when i will apply for my pf withdrawl will i get the EPS(pension) benefits……pls reply asap

Posted on July 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes you will get that too !

Posted on July 20th, 2012

jean says:

dear manish, i havent applie for pf yet pls let me knw if i can apply for pf for the first time through rti. Will i be able to withdraw pf within a week.

Posted on July 21st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

No , you cant withdrawa money form PF in week time , it will take months , RTI is just for information purpsoe !

Posted on July 21st, 2012

Phani says:

Hi Indranil,

Getting these Form 3A, 5A, 10A & 7 PS is itself another story. I think only one of 3A or 7 PS is applicable for an account. 7 PS is applicable if PF account is by an exempted trust. 3A is in case PF is maintained with PF commissioner office. The people involved itself don’t know the rules exactly. When i checked with Hewitt (even private companies seem to be no different), initially they were telling its not applicable etc. When i asked them 2nd time , they provided me Form 7PS, as my PF there was with trust. From another previous company, now i am trying to get Form 3A.. Let’s see how it goes there!

Posted on July 22nd, 2012

Phani says:

Hi,
You should immediately apply for transfer, as you are losing interest. As per rules, you will get interest for only 3 years on an inoperative account. So you are losing interest for the last 5 years.

Once you apply for transfer, you might get SMS regarding the transfer updates. But as Manish said below, it takes 6-9 months :)

Phani

Posted on July 22nd, 2012

Raghunandan says:

Sir,

I am here with writing this in the hope spirit after reading the above information and the RTI weapon results. I do have some questions, if I get them cleared I can start the process for filing RTI.

I had applied for withdrawal longtime back through my Ex-employer only (2009 to 2010) and I am not sure if they have submitted the form because I did not get any acknowledgment for this.

The applied PF account #KN/24676/3771….THIS IS HOW IT IS THERE IN THE PF SLIP

Now my ex-employer’s company name had been changed and I am unable to find the balanced amount in the EPFO, as the results came as account does not exist.

I was working in Bangalore and my PF account is in Bangalore only, later I was transferred to Hyderabad and the same PF account was continued, the company’s corporate office was in Bangalore only.

I have even applied second time through same Ex-employer and the result was the same as was for the first time, no acknowledgment, status of application amount has been transferred, etc,…

Now my question is that from where am I suppose to start????

Posted on July 26th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You should be writing a RTI query to your Ex-employer jurisdiction EPF office and ask them if they have recieved the withdrawal request or not , If no , then what is to be done for withdrawal request , If yes, then what is the status ! ..Go ahead

Posted on July 26th, 2012

Swetank Saroj says:

Hi Manish,

Thank you for this great post.

I had applied for my EPF transfer on 29 March, 2011. I also have the proof of submission as well as reciept of transfer request by the RPFO Gurgaon.

From last 16 months I am getting the below message:
*****
Status : Claim Form 13 for Transfer to New Account Number: AGAINST Old Member Account No (GNGGN**************) has been approved. Payment is under process.
******

I do not understand why they need so much time for transfer and just 2-3 months for withdrawal?

Thanks,
Swetank

Posted on August 3rd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Why so much time ! … thats what every body is asking .. sarkari work ! . you know how it works, but you could have filed a RTI in start only and seen it resolving much faster !

Posted on August 4th, 2012

Swetank Saroj says:

Hi Manish,

I have already filed my RTI dated 19th July, 2012 and it has been received by the concerned office on 21st July, 2012.

Before filing RTI, I have also raised a grievance request (status of which is shown below) on which they never took an action and start to work on it after getting my RTI application.
**********************
Registration Number :HRGGN/E/2012/*******
Name of Complainant :Mr Swetank Saroj
Address of Complainant : ****************
Date of Receipt :16/06/2012
Received By :EPFO, RO, Gurgaon
——————————————————————————–
Current Status :Under Examination at our level
Date of Action :17/07/2012
Case Presently Dealt By :EPFO, RO, Gurgaon
Concerned Officer :BEERBAL MEENA
Contact Address :BEERBAL MEENA
EPFO, PLOT NO-43 SECTOR-44 GURGAON
Email Address :
Contact Number :0124257****
Case Pending with:EPFO, RO, Gurgaon
——————————————————————————–
**********************

I hope they give a reply to my RTI.

Is it possible that they do not reply to a RTI application?

Will they reply me via e-mail or send a letter to my address?

Will they definitely reply me by 21st or 22nd August, 2012?

Thanks,
Swetank

Posted on August 13th, 2012

Sarika says:

I am also stuck with my PF wherein the private PF trust used to operate. I sent RTI to CPFC Bandra and he rejected my RTI stating that the PF trust was exempted trust and was not registered with CPFC. Also that I should now approach Ministry of Finance … I am at a dead end. Dont know how to proceed.

Posted on August 14th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes , Private trusts dont come under RTI .. You need to directly follow up with them

Posted on August 14th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

They will send you the reply by post only and it should happen within 30 days of them recieving it, so by 21st or 22nd aug , they should dispatch their reply ! . Please update what happened in your case !

Posted on August 14th, 2012

vinod says:

Hi Manish,

Thanks for highlighting the steps to file an RTI for EPF related queries.

One Quick question, my pf office is in KR PURAM (Bangalore), should i address my letter to KR Puram office or to the below address
Office of the Addl. Central Provident Fund Commissioner
(Karnataka & Goa),
Bhavishyanidhi Bhavan,
No. 13, Raja Ram Mohan Roy Road,
Bangalore – 560 025 (KN).

Posted on August 14th, 2012

Swetank Saroj says:

will they send the reply using ordinary post or speed-post?

in case I do not receive the reply, what would be my next course of action?

Thanks,
Swetank

Posted on August 14th, 2012

sunitha says:

Hi Manish,
Can I know the procedure to get the EPF account transfered from Gurgaon to Mumbai. Since 5 years account is held there itself. Actually we tried with the previous company, but never responded. Plz help me to get my money transfered to my present company where I am working.

Posted on August 16th, 2012

Sarita says:

Hi Manish,
I have applied for transfer of my PF account since 30 months from Pune to BLR. When I look for the claim status of Pune account, it gives no info. however when I look for the BLR PF account status it gives some info like “Your transfer in details for crediting new account has been received and the same is under process.”. I checked the balance in both the PF accounts, and they have the old amount (those are updated till 31-03-11). Nothing is transferred yet. Do you know wt does the above status means? and wt should be the next action?
I had registered my grievance as well and they said they can not trace my form.

Thanks.

Posted on August 17th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Sarita

You should not go with RTI route , one can never be sure about the exact status like this .

Posted on August 17th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Sunitha

Refer to this – http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/45449-pf-transfer-process.html

Posted on August 17th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

They should send it by normal post , I got one by normal post only . iF they do not send you reply within that time , you have option for FIRST APPEAL , let this situation happen first and then you can look at it !

Posted on August 17th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

If you have a seperate address for KR Puram , then better address it to that only . It means there are two offices in bangalore , correct !

Posted on August 17th, 2012

Sarita says:

What do u suggest as the next plan of action? does that status mean anything at all?

Posted on August 17th, 2012

Ajay says:

Hi Manish,

I had applied for PF Withdrawal to Hyderabad PF office. My Form 10C (Pension) amount has been credited to my bank account thru NEFT, however I am yet to receive the Form 19 (Final Settlement) amount. So does it happen like this & does Form 19 amount takes more time to get credited back to bank account?

Looking forward for your reply.

Posted on August 17th, 2012

Swetank Saroj says:

Hi Sarita,

Better file a RTI with both the offices.

I think even Manish want to convey the same (by mistake he has mentioned NOT).

You can also check my comments and manish reply above your comments.

I am also facing the same issue.

Thanks,
Swetank

Posted on August 17th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Ideally it should get credited in same time frame, In my case I got the money for both the things the same day through NEFT only , in your case its taking time, does not look right to me , still wait for a month and then file a RTI to find out the answer!

Posted on August 20th, 2012

Swetank Saroj says:

Manish,

Its been 32 days and I have not recieved the reply for my RTI query.

I think now its time for FIRST APPEAL, need your help in drafting the same.

I know I should wait for few more days but by the time you will check this comment and reply I will be at the correct time to raise my appeal.

Thanks,
Swetank

Posted on August 24th, 2012

Shekhar says:

I left my previous company in 2010 and didn’t do anything with the PF. I was checking the status online and it showed the message “Your account has been settled….”. What does this mean and how to follow-up with EPF office. This account is in Bangalore and am currently in Pune.

Posted on August 25th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You should now file a RTI application to know the exact status !

Posted on August 26th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Swetank , I have not done it personally, you better take some things from here http://www.rtiindia.org/guide/how-to-use-your-right-to-information-4/how-to-write-first-appeal-under-rti-2/

Posted on August 26th, 2012

Ankur says:

After I left my previous company, I made an application for EPF withdrawl and got it in my account within few weeks. But I had a doubt on the amount I received. I registered an online grievance and got an e-mail stating my grievance registration number, date of registration, officer name, contact no. e-mail id, who will be handling my complaint and a statement that I will get the reply in next three working days. After a week sent an e-mail to the concerned officer and I got reply that the id is official blocked and I should send it to an other e-mail id. Now I sent my query to that e-mail id also but in vain. Then I called up the number given and a lady picked the phone and replied that you will receive the reply in few days. After another week i.e. after 16days of grievance registration, I checked the status of online grievance and found a reply stating that correct amount has been credited to my account and my case was closed on its own. Now I want to know whether raising an RTI will help?

Posted on August 27th, 2012

Biplab Mukherjee says:

Dear Manish,

Further to my discussion with you on this page on July12,2012. I applied to RTI for information on the Balance of my PF accumulation on July 14,2012 in the prescribed manner. However, till date there is no reply to the same after 40 days. Seek further suggestions to take the matter forward.

Posted on August 27th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

In that case you will have to file first appeal , Was your RTI application too long and full of unneccessary queries ? see this http://www.rtiindia.org/guide/how-to-use-your-right-to-information-4/how-to-write-first-appeal-under-rti-2/

Posted on August 28th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Ankur

Yes, raise a RTI and ask them how the amount was calculated , tell them your number, they will reply you with the details . I dont think there are chances of any error from their side, it would be a very rare case

Posted on August 28th, 2012

Ramesh says:

Hey RTI Team, Many Thanks for your great service !! I was waiting for my EPF money for an year since I applied and with a lot of frustration & worriness. Finally when I used RTI nation and filed my case I have received my EPF money within a month. Hats Off to you guys !! Indeed a great service to nation !!! Many Thanks again for providing such a great service to people of India..

Thanks,
Ramesh

Posted on August 31st, 2012

Swetank Saroj says:

Manish,

As I have not received any reply from the RPFC, Gurgaon, I have drafted and sent my FIRST APPEAL.

Have sent you an e-mail with an attachment of my letter.

Request you to just give a little time out of your busy schedule and please also post a draft version of FIRST APPEAL format (you can use mine, if it is ok).

I am still waiting to get my replies and case solved by RPFC, Gurgaon. :(

Thanks,
Swetank

Posted on August 31st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Actually I have myself not drafted First Appeal ever, so I am not the right person to say if its “right” or “wrong” . I would suggest you better enquire on our forum or on the website which I pointed you to .

Posted on August 31st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Ramesh :) .. spread this news to more and more people !

Posted on August 31st, 2012

Swetank Saroj says:

Manish,

Thank you for your reply.

Please find below a few useful links, which can be of great help for the people try to approach respective PIO officers in PF departments.

http://www.epfindia.com/rti_officers.html

the same list in PDF format:
http://tinyurl.com/epf-RTI-officers-list

the below link contains a very well drafted general RTI letter format; which can be used even for other purposes.

http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/blogs/jps50/69-any-thing-pending-govt.html

Hope these details will be helpful for other netizens.

Thanks,
Swetank

Posted on August 31st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks for those links , why dont you yourself give us a guest post on first appeal ! .. we will publish it

Posted on August 31st, 2012

Sameer Goel says:

Hi Manish,

I submitted my pf form 3 months before in the Gurgaon PF office. On 30th of June, i received a sms from EPF office stating that, “the claim form has been received on 30th June and your claim is in process”.

But as of today more than 2 months have been passed but I didn’t receive my amount.

Could you please suggest me on this? should I file a RTI for this or need to wait for some more time? As per Govt. what is the time period defined to settle a claim after receiving the claim form?

Many Thanks,
Sameer

Posted on September 3rd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

I am not sure of the prescribed limits , but i had read somewhere its 9 months . File a RTI now

Posted on September 5th, 2012

Pinaki Chaudhuri says:

Good on you Manish. This is very helpful..

Posted on September 10th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks :)

Posted on September 10th, 2012

Dhanesh N Pillai says:

Hi,

My EPF was pending for 3 years with EPF RO Bandra Mumbai. Last month I filed an RTI online through http://www.rtination.com and today I recieved my EPF amount in the Bank A/c. (3 weeks time). Another success story for RTI. I got the information from this website. Really helped me a lot. Thanks a lot.Cheers.

Posted on September 12th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Dhanesh

Posted on September 12th, 2012

Padmesh KC says:

I had filed RTI application with Bangalore office.They had replied within a month with status of my application saying’They have send request to EPFO,Delhi North for confirmation,Once they receive confirmation, they can transfer’. I filed another RTI for EPFO,Delhi North. I received letter from that office saying my PF number is related to EPFO,Delhi South and they have forwarded my request to Delhi South.(Same letter was send to me in cc-Entire letter in Hindi). It is one and half month now and no reply from EPFO,Delhi south office. How do I proceed.
Please share your mail id, I can send you the RTI form and reply received for more details.

Posted on September 13th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Padmesh

What is the main jurisdiction of your EPF ? Is it for transfer ? Wait for some more time , you sometimes get a late reply, I got a reply some days back for one of my RTI queries closely after 50 days .

Manish

Posted on September 13th, 2012

Percy says:

Dear Manish,

My pension certificate is pending past 2 years. I found out that the people wrongly settled my pension and gave me 2 years of pension money by mistake. So I rushed to their office and returned the money. My Pension scheme certificate has got stuck due to return of money. My membership is for more than 20 years. I Filed and RTI last month, but they havent replied yet ( 21 days past). What is the procedure for appeals? is there an appeal format with you.

please reply on my email and post here also

kind regds
Percy

Posted on September 18th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Wait for more days .. they are legally bound to reply within 30 days ,but at times it goes till 45-50 days also !

Posted on September 18th, 2012

navin kumar says:

Hi manish, you are gem of person. Hats off to you, really great info in concise way. thanks buddy. Today, I have applied RTI, and hope fruitful outcome of same

Posted on September 18th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Great :) . Wait for 30-40 days now and you should get the RTI answer.

Posted on September 18th, 2012

NITIN ARORA says:

Dear Manish,

I have submitted my PF withdrawl form at EPFO Bandra Mumbai on 26th June 2012. Till date I haven’t received the amount. I have checked online status as well where it showed “No records found”. I have also put my grievance at site on 14.09.2012 but no revert received as of now and nobody is picking up the phone on the no. mentioned. Kindly let me know shall I wait further or go for RTI.

Thanks

Nitin Arora

Posted on September 18th, 2012

Atul says:

Hello,

Thanks a lot for this article, I find it very useful. This forum really awakes (jago) the investors.

I worked in company A (in Pune) then moved to B (in Bangalore) & currently in company C.

I first filled application to transfer the fund from A to B, once I got the confirmation from there official site about the amount settlement, I filled the form to withdraw the entire amount from B.

When I calculated the amount I found that the credited amount is only from company B.

I first filled the RTI with Pune PF office, they confirmed that amount is credited in Bangalore along with transaction details. They also mentioned that they sent the annexure K form to Bangalore.

After that I filled the RTI to Bangalore office (also attached a copy of response which I got from Pune RTI).

I am surprised to see the response from Bangalore office, They mentioned in RTI response that amount is not yet transferred from Pune.

Bangalore PF office closed my account as well after crediting the amount of company B. Company A’s amount is still missing.

I have following queries
1. What should I do now? Where should I go? I have RTI responses from both offices. They are contradictory.
2. Account B (in Bangalore) is closed (got this status from their site), in case money gets transfer from Pune to Bangalore, how would I get the money, Bangalore account is already closed?

Please help me in getting the answer.

Atul

Posted on September 18th, 2012

NITIN ARORA says:

Dear Manish,

I have submitted my PF withdrawl form at EPFO Bandra Mumbai on 26th June 2012. Till date I haven’t received the amount. I have checked online status as well where it showed “No records found”. I have also put my grievance at site on 14.09.2012 but no revert received as of now and nobody is picking up the phone on the no. mentioned. Kindly let me know shall I wait further or go for RTI.

Thanks

Nitin Arora

Posted on September 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Though it has been just few months, still you can file a RTI for this !

Posted on September 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You should again file a RTI to find out answer for the contradiction , Make sure when you ask questions, you keep notice of what things can go wrong !

Posted on September 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Wait for more time , but also file the RTI paralellY

Posted on September 19th, 2012

Swetank Saroj says:

Rajnish,

Thanks a lot buddy for this information.

I have already filed an RTI query with RPFC, Gurgaon with Rs. 50/- postal order.

After the first appeal they sent me an sms after 1.5 years from the initial transfer request that my request has been rejected.

Will now again send a new RTI to these idiots and will finish this case to end.

Thanks,
Swetank

Posted on September 19th, 2012

Swetank Saroj says:

Manish,

Today on 19th September, 2012; I receive a sms from EPFO stating that my transfer claim has been rejected.

The idiots took 18 months to confirm a rejection and have not replied till date for my First appeal to thr initial RTI query.

I am searching about other options online, do you have any further idea for the same?

Thanks,
Swetank

Posted on September 19th, 2012

Shahzad says:

Hi Manish,
I have been waiting for my PF money for a year now. I left my job last year in june i.e. june 2011 and submitted the PF withdrawl forms with the HR of my previous company who in turn submitted the forms to PF office in sep 2011. When i didn’t recieve any money by december 2011, i started following up with the HRs and after much of here n theres they informed me that the EPFO doesn’t have the MICR code of my bank account and asked me to resend a cancelled chek along with an application to EPFO office vadodra. I did that and finally in march 2012, these docs were submitted to EPFO vadodra. Even after that i didn’t recieve any money and after contonuous followup i got a mail 2 days back from HR that they have got a confirmation from EPFO that my PF claims are approved and EPFO has credited my money to a SBI a/c wth a/c no. 3****.. which is DEFINETLY NOT MY ACCOUNT. i never gave any details of my sbi a/c. i gave details of my icici account infact i don’t hold any sbi account. I don’t understand how to handle this. And to add up to my problems i don’t live in india anymore.

Posted on September 20th, 2012

Atul says:

While filling the RTI I tried to be precise as much as possible. Not sure how it would help if I fill the RTI again.

I want to send you RTI requests & responses which I got.

Can you please give your email id ?

Please help.

Atul

Posted on September 20th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Atul

Please start a thread on our forum http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/ , we will discuss it there !

Posted on September 22nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Sadly its frustrating , but you should now file a RTI for this , use online RTI filing websites and complete this . I suspect some kind of error is there !

Posted on September 22nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Rejected for what ? On what basis ?

Posted on September 22nd, 2012

Swetank Saroj says:

Hi Manish,

Just received an sms for rejection of my transfer claim.

Somehow got to talk to the concerned person; they informed that they have rejected my claim and refile it on their own with a different way.

They have asked for some more details and now will be doing an online transfer.They also confirmed that they will be doing it within 2-3 weeks, lets see. It seems they are doing this just to hide their mistakes and inefficiencies.

Regards,
Swetank

Posted on September 22nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Hmm .. may be .. lets wait for 2-3 more weeks and you shoudl ideally get your EPF money

Posted on September 22nd, 2012

Hemant says:

Hi Manish,

I am happy to inform you that my transfer case has been successfully concluded after 2 sets of RTI’s at source and destination offices. I have my Annexure K as a response from the source RTI office. It works. DO not give up and continue till the system is fair to everyone.

Cheers,
Hemant

Posted on September 22nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thats great to know .. :) Thanks for updating !

Posted on September 22nd, 2012

navin says:

I want to withdraw EPF for home\flat purchase. How much amount may i withdraw.and how much time in general it takes. Total amount in my PF amount is as below
transferred from prev. orgainsation =5 Lacs( 3L EE+2L ER)
current organisation cotribution=20K(15K EE+5K ER)
current basic =65K, But PF contribution is 12% of 6500=780 only

Posted on September 22nd, 2012

Jubin says:

Hi Manish,
You have mentioned in your article that in Haryana the RTI application fee is Rs.50. I belive since EPFO is a central organization although we are requesting any information from PF offices in Haryana through RTI we only need to pay Rs.10. Could you please confirm?
Thanks,
Jubin

Posted on September 25th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

EPFO is a central org , But RTI is not , RTI is statewise and the fees is different for different states, but in general its Rs 10 only . I read at one site that for Haryana its Rs 50 . It might have got changed now , you can get this info on RTI haryana websit

Posted on September 26th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Navin

Have you completed 10 yrs of service and you are taking the home loan purely on your name ? ONly then its possible , refer this – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2012/05/epf-facts-employee-providend-fund.html

Posted on September 26th, 2012

Abdul Vasim says:

Hi,
I have applied for PF withdrawl once i shifted to new company, PF office is at Bangalore and I checked online, it is showing that they have received on 16th Aug 12 and the status is under Process. Kindly let me know when can i get credit to my account as we have already passed more than 45 days.

Vasim

Posted on September 27th, 2012

navin kumar says:

I have completed 10 years of service and taking home loan in name of me and my wife and i am going for loan/advance for home purchase( so condition is min. 5 year of service).I have gone through epf facts, but still have confusion.How much amount may i withdraw.and how much time in general it takes. Total amount in my PF amount is as below
transferred from prev. orgainsation =5 Lacs( 3L EE+2L ER)
current organisation cotribution=20K(15K EE+5K ER)
current basic =65K, But PF contribution is 12% of 6500=780 only

Posted on September 28th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

If I recall , i think you need 10 yrs of service for getting money from EPF for home purpose ? no ?

Posted on September 29th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You should better take the RTI route now !

Posted on September 29th, 2012

navin says:

Hi Manish,

I have completed 10 years of service. I am more worried about exact amount, which i may withdraw from epf office.If possible, kindly suggest , based on data provided in above query

Posted on September 29th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Navin

Sorry its 5 yrs only .. if you see my article http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2012/05/epf-facts-employee-providend-fund.html

Here are the rules

– You should have completed at least five years of service.
– The maximum amount you can avail of is 36 times your wages. To buy a site or plot, the amount is 24 times your salary.
– Can be avail of it just once during the entire service.

Posted on September 29th, 2012

NAveen Vyas says:

Hi Manish,

My PF A/c in PUNE, currently I am working in Jodhpur (Rajasthan). My previous co. was submitted my PF withdrawal form 3-4 times but every time PF department Rejected my Claim form, Earlier 3 times Rejected due to 3A Form, but in month of MAY 2012 Co. against submitted my PF form with 3A, but till today I can’t received any amount in my A/c can you let me I filed a RTI or not, If yes pls. let me the Address for file RTI. And also let me it is necessary for withdrawal of PF the Bank a/c is in PUNE.

Thanks.

Posted on September 29th, 2012

Hitesh Jain says:

I really appreciate you making these efforts and helping so many people Manish. Your work here is really commendable! :)

Posted on October 2nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks Hitesh

Posted on October 2nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Naveen

You can file the RTI as per the instructions given in the article

Posted on October 2nd, 2012

Sunil Pareek says:

Dear Manish,
I Was worked in bangalore 2007-09 and i left the job 2009 but i claim the my pf 01.09.2012 after one the reject my claim. i have sent all necessary document to epfo KR puram bangalore ( As form 19,10C bank passbook with sing, Affidavit )
they given claim id also.
please give me advice for rejection of claim and how to file rti

Sunil pareek
8011051634

Posted on October 5th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

The RTI has to be filed in the same manner as discussed in the article !

Posted on October 9th, 2012

Shreeharsha says:

Hi Manish,
This is really a wonderful social work you are doing! I have suffered a lot to get PF transferred from one office to another as I kept changing my jobs. Each time, it takes many months/years to this through. I have visited the KR Puram office so many times. Going by the number of complaints against it, It appears KR Puram is one of the worst PF offices in India.
Now, the question to you is: Does every PF office have a Central Public Information Officer? If not, I may have to find out which office has such an officer and address my letter to him.

Regards,
Harsha

Posted on October 10th, 2012

Madan says:

Hi Manish and friends,
firstly thanks Manish for such a precious information you shared.

I have filed my RTI application in Sep last week for my pf claim withdrawl which is pending since 3 months.
I also raised a grievance on protal for which i got a reply after 30 days saying my claim is pending at DA initiator level. Any clue on what this DA initiation process is ??

BR,
Madan.

Posted on October 10th, 2012

Shreeharsha says:

I found the answer :

Officer-in-Charge of all Sub-Regional/Sub Accounts Offices, in the
cadre of Regional Commissioner-II/Assistant Commissioner have
been designated as CAPIO.

So, I will address this letter to KR Puram PF office.

Posted on October 11th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

I have no idea on that Madan , but did you get RTI reply ?

Posted on October 12th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Its not each branch , but the jurisdiction , so KR PUram will have one of the CPIO . Better address him in RTI letter now . Its much effective than personally visiting the EPFO office

Posted on October 12th, 2012

Madan says:

I’m hoping to hear from them soon. It’s only 15 days since i have applied from.

I’ll keep you posted. Thanks for the information though

Posted on October 15th, 2012

Nitin says:

Hi,

I am also facing the same situation. I was working in company A which was aquired by company B. After 1 month of transfer to the parent company I left the company and join company C. I have requested for withdrawal of the amount. After 2 month when i received the amount it was only for one month(The month which i spend on the payroll of the parent comany B) The entire amount from the company A is still pending. I have enquired from the online partal to check the status of my PF account it shows transfer in process (Company A maintain his PF swith EPFO office and company B maintain their own PF trust)
Now I think comany B has settled my account and the amount from company A is in the process of transfer. My question is where this amount will go(It is transferring from EPFO office to company B’s PF trsut).

PLease help me to get my PF amount. Let me know what need to be done.

Thanks in advance

Nitin Nandeshwar

Posted on October 15th, 2012

Wriju Bharadwaj says:

Hi Manish,

I need a bit of advice on EPF transfer I had submitted a copy of Form 13 for transferring EPF balance. However, the transfer got rejected (strangely the rejection took place after after the transfer was approved). Below is a chronology of events that took place:

1. I submitted Form 13 to my current employer who then forwarded it to my previous employer on 22nd Aug 2012.
2. After a few follow ups with my previous employer I was informed that the PF Transfer application had been submitted on 13th Sep 2012
3. I then decided to track the status on the EPFO website http://www.epfindia.com/ClaimStatus_New.html
4. At first the status for transfer for a Claim ID TNXXXXXXXXXX26594 with a Status “Claim Form 13 for Transfer to New Account Number: AGAINST Old Member Account No (TNXXXXXXXXXXX0B0013298) has been approved. Payment is under process.”. This was the status as on 21st Sep 2012.
5. On 11th Sep 2012, the status on the same page reads “Claim Form 13 for Transfer to New Account Number: AGAINST Old Member Account has been rejected. Rejection letter is under dispatch/ dispatched to address in your claim”. The status remains the same till date.

Now I understand that I need to follow up on this matter. Given the short time it has taken for the process the matter, I would like to wait for one-two weeks to for the formal rejection letter as it may contain a valid cause. Based on which I may need to file a fresh application or a greviance/RTI (in case the rejection letter does not arrive). My concern is that what are the chances of the accumulated amount getting lost due to some clerical mistake (or any other unforeseen causes)

Please advise,

Thanks and Regards,

Wriju Bharadwaj

Posted on October 15th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

I suggest file a RTI anywyas .. anywyas it will cost just Rs 10 .

Posted on October 16th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

I think you should just file an RTI now .. other wise its tough to get authentic info

Posted on October 16th, 2012

Wriju Bharadwaj says:

Hi Manish,

Thanks for the reply, lets what comes out of the RTI

Posted on October 17th, 2012

Sunil Pareek says:

Dear Manish
I was worked in Bangalore under KR-puram EPFO office from2007-2009. i left the bangalore 2009 some family problem reason i shift to the rajashthan.i tried to contact my previous employer he is not giving any respose. then i directly submit claim kr-puram office with all support document. after one month they reject my claim on dated 05.10.2012. they also send rejetion letter but till date i have not recived letter.
please give me advice for my pf-withdrawn what i do.
can i file the RTI
Sunil Pareek ( 8011051634)

Posted on October 17th, 2012

Prashant says:

Dear Manish,

I would like to thank you for putting up this topic. I took help of http://www.rtination.com and paid them however its more than 1 week and haven’t heard anything from them about the application that they will format and send me for signature. Do you know about the credibility of http://www.rtination.com ?

Its like at one side I have dilemma of EPFO and other side now rtination.

Thanks
Prashant

Posted on October 18th, 2012

Vinay Shetty says:

Dear Manish,

This is in regard to my PF Claims, I am currently working abroad. I had filed an RTI application to understand the reason of cheque returns against my PF Claims.
As per EPFO the cheques were returned as I had provided my NRI Bank account details.
Also the EPFO has suggested to provide fresh Form 19 & 10C (ASR Form) to reclaim with up to date interest.
Dear Manish, Please suggest if I need to resend all the documents mentioned above directly to the EPFO or I should send the same through my previous employer.

Looking forward to your guidance and suggestion in this matter.

Regards
Vinay

Posted on October 18th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You should send it directly now .

Posted on October 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

It has been reffered as one of the best option for RTI filing at various places on net. Can you check with them once on customer care if its there .

Posted on October 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes ,you better file an RTI now

Posted on October 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

But I am not filing that rti ?

Posted on October 19th, 2012

subhash Mayangade says:

Dear Manish sir,

Thanks for Provide Good Information related to EPF Withdrawals.

I am from Pune, I have also facing same problem of PF withdrawals since 9th to 10th months. the PF Pearson everytime told us 3A not attached , 6A not attached but physically the employer already provide all information like the same. 6A , 3A, 12A . i Have also but PF person not complete the PF withdrawals process. Please help me before filling to RTI.

Posted on October 19th, 2012

subhash Mayangade says:

Dear Manish sir,

Please Provide me.

Central Information Officer address for Maharashtra state, Pune.

so that i can file RTI.

Thanking you.

My email id : subhashmayangade@gmail.com

Posted on October 20th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You can get it on EPF website

Posted on October 22nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

What kind of help do you need in filing the RTI ? ALl you need to do in RTI is ask questions . Please start a thread on forum – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/

Posted on October 22nd, 2012

Navin says:

Hello,

I have a question regarding EPF.I had an EPF acount in my old company but the company did not issue me an experience and relieving certificate instead they also blocked my EPF acount.Now how can I get my EPF acount unblocked from that company and I am now working abroad for a foreign employer.
Please let me know how to deal with this. Thanks in advance!

Posted on October 23rd, 2012

Vinesh P says:

Hi Manish,
I have done PF transfer from private trust based in Gurgaon to EPFO, Bandra,Mumbai. My previous employer has send the cheque in favor of “Regional Provident Fund Commissioner ,Mumbai ” and that cheque got cleared on 28th May 2012. Recently i got the e-passbook of my PF account, but the transfer details are not listed in that. Only my present employer transaction details are found. In this matter RTI will be of any help.

regards.
Vinesh

Posted on October 23rd, 2012

Yuvraj says:

Very nice and clear xplanation….keep the good show up man

Posted on October 24th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks Yuvraj !

Posted on October 24th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes, just ask your queries in RTI app .

Posted on October 24th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Navin

You can get your EPF thing without your employer signature, i will soon write on this !

Posted on October 24th, 2012

Lakshminarayanan says:

Hi Manish,

I had applied for PF Withdrawal to Bangalore PF office. My EPS amount has been credited to my ICICI bank account thru NEFT on 22-Oct-2012, however I am yet to receive the EPF amount. So does it happen like this & does EPF amount takes more time to get credited back to bank account? Can I check with my Bank to have an idea?

My Claim status online still shows the following info,

STATUS for Member ID: BGBNG00423570000016667

Claim ID : BGBNG121000001913
Status : Claim Form 19 for PF Settlement AGAINST Member Account No (BGBNG00423570000016667) has been approved. Payment is under process.

Claim ID : BGBNG121000001917
Status : Claim Form 10C for Withdrawal Benefit AGAINST Member Account No (BGBNG00423570000016667) has been approved. Payment is under process.

Looking forward for your reply.

Posted on October 25th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes, it happens at times, I got 2 different credits in my account, for EPF and EPS, however it happened at a difference of few seconds only, which shows that the deposits happen seperately , so wait for some days , if EPS has come , mostly EPF will also come , if that does not happen . Better ask with help of RTI on the status !

Posted on October 25th, 2012

Vishal Sahani says:

Dear Manish
I am in a lot of mess with my PF withdrawal which I made myself.
PF a/c number GNGGN00252040000063974
I was working with Convergys from Jan 2009 till April 2011 when I left and applied for my PF withdrawal in august 2011 but made a huge mistake of closing the account in which my PF was supposed to be transferred.

The PF was transferred on 22nd dec 2011 but as the account was closed I did not get the PF amount.

So in march I applied for my PF withdrawal again in march 2012 but I recently checked the status online and it shows it has been rejected and the rejection letter is in dispatch/dispatched.

I called up the PF office in gurgaon and firstly they were very rude and told me that the amount has already been transferred through NEFT and I should check with the bank and they also told that if the a/c was closed the amount was not returned back to them.

I would highly appreciate if you can guide me through this mess

Posted on October 25th, 2012

navin kumar says:

hi, their reoly was vague and useless , so i mdofied myquestions and sent RTI again.

Posted on October 26th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yea , you need to ask questions in a manner that they cant escape answering !

Posted on October 27th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

All you can do now is file a RTI and get the information in a more accurate way.

Posted on October 27th, 2012

NITIN ARORA says:

Dear Manish,

I filed RTI through rtination which was received at Bandra office on 27th Sep 2012. Now 30 days are over, i am still not getting reply from the department. Kindly suggest forward path.

Thanks

Nitin Arora

Posted on October 29th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Nitin

At times, it happens that the reply comes later. I got one reply in 55 days . So i recommend waiting for more days .

Posted on October 29th, 2012

NITIN ARORA says:

Hi Manish,

I have sent PF withdrawl form to my employer who in return confirmed over email that they have deposited the form to RPFC Bandra on 26 June 12. After three months ,on 27 Sep 12, I filed RTI to know the status as well as put query on EPFO Grievance Protal. Till date I haven’t received reply against my RTI but today i got reply from EPFO Grievacne portal stating that “as per system till dt claim form in r/o MH/48681/8292 is not received by RO Mumbai I Bandra office. ”

What should I do now? Shall I wait for revert of RTI or again fill the form and submit to perevious employer.

Also let me know in case i have to resubmit the form then how much time it will take to settle my A/c. Shall I give the reference of my misplace of form to respond fast by EPF office.

Please advice.

Thanks

Nitin Arora

Posted on October 30th, 2012

susheel kumar sharma says:

I HAVE JOINED IN COMPANY IN JULY2004 I AM COVERED IN PF AFTER 8YEAR 2MONTHS COMPANY GIVE FULL &FINAL SATTELMENT AND I HAVE GOT SCHEME CERTIFICATE FROM PF NOW I AM NOT PF MEMBER IF CAN MY WIFE GET PENSION AFTER MY DEATH

Posted on November 1st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Obviosuly NO ! .. Its already settled !

Posted on November 2nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

It means that they have not recieved it , simple . Either your previous employer has goofed up or something has happened in between . Now better put the forms once again yourself.

Posted on November 2nd, 2012

Shunmuga says:

Hi

Manish, thanks a lot for the RTI template and useful information. If i need to file the RTI with EPFO, Kandivali, Mumbai, Should i take the postal order favoring “Accounts officer,EPFO, Kandivali, Mumbai” or just “Accounts Officer, EPFO, Mumbai”.

Posted on November 2nd, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You just have to buy it , then you will fill it yourself !

Posted on November 6th, 2012

Vineet says:

Hi,

Thanks for your article, its really very informative.
My question is –
In case we need to withdraw only the EPF amount and not the EPS amount. Is it possible? if so, how do we do it. I have completed around 8 years of service and to be eligible for pension 10yrs of service is required.

Thanks
Vineet

Posted on November 7th, 2012

Harendra Singh says:

hello sir,
I applied for PF some 1 year ago.
Sir i have worked for 6 months so in this case am i eligible to get PF and if yes than how much. I have registered many complaints in PF office and they have not replied me properly.My claim status shows that Form 19 b is passed and payment would be made soon and form 10 c is rejected on the account of services less than 6 months. What should i do in this condition please suugest

Claim ID : PUPUN120100038467
Status : Claim Form 10C for Withdrawal Benefit AGAINST Member Account No (PUPUN01206950000006970) has been rejected. Rejection letter is under dispatch/ dispatched to address in your claim

Claim ID : PUPUN120100038461
Status : Claim Form 19 for PF Settlement AGAINST Member Account No (PUPUN01206950000006970) has been approved. Payment is under process.

Posted on November 8th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You then only fill form 10C ! ,, its for EPF withdrawal

Posted on November 12th, 2012

Vineet says:

Thanks

Posted on November 14th, 2012

T V Ramprakash says:

I also have a similar issue which nitin had and i m still struggling with it due to lack of info and assistance from EPFO. Here is my rant and you may guide me..

I have worked in two companies.
· company #1 – HCL technologies in NOIDA and their PF office was in gurgaon in harayana. My PF acc # HR/5572/93680
· company #2 – Computer science corporation in NOIDA, their PF office was in chennai – My PF acc # TN/52878/13123

I did a tfr from HR/5572/93680 to TN/52878/13123, before tfr could take place sucessfully, my job at CSC got terminated and CSC PF acc got settled/closed. So I don’t know where this money from tfr from HCL is and was told to fill Form 19 & 10C when i filed a grievance. To whom i have to give Form 19 & 10C, Is it HCL or CSC?

EPFO folks, don’t respond to email or phone as usual, open a new grievance which is pending for the past few months now.

Posted on November 16th, 2012

Shailesh Parmar says:

thanks for your Blog this is very helpful for me

Posted on November 18th, 2012

JAYARAMAN NATARAJAN says:

Hi,

I was an employee of Oracle Financial Services and have applied for PF withdrawal on 30th Jun 2011. Post that received following SMSes:

1. Received an SMS on 10th Nov 2011 from PF office (BZ-EPFO was sender) stating, “Form 10C (Withdrawal Benefit/Scheme certificate) for acct KDMAL00375280000012444 RECD ON 13.10.2011 and Claim ID KDMAL111000027327 is under process”,

2. Received an SMS on 24th Jan 2012 from PF office (BZ-EPFO was sender) stating, “Form 10C (Withdrawal Benefit) Claim ID: KDMAL111000027327 Acct No.KDMAL 00375280000012444 approved for payment through cheque. Payment under process”. and

3. Received an SMS on 01st Mar 2012 from PF office (BZ-EPFO was sender) stating,”Form 13 (Transfer) Claim ID: KDMAL111100001592 rejected. Rejection letter is under dispatch”.

After getting the SMSes I awaited the credit of amount to my savings account with Axis Bank, Jubilee hills branch. Since the same was not happening till 19th April 2012 raised a grievance through online portal vide reference no. SROKN/E/2012/02754 dated 24th April 2012. The concerned officer replied stating: “The application in respect of form 19 and 10C has been settled for the amount Rs 398199/-and Rs.25580/-and has been remitted vide cheque nos. 495761 dated 31.01.2012 and 292592 dated 31.01.2012 respectively. Bank details: A/C no. 0301010100073413, AXIS BANK,JUBILES HILLS HYDERABAD”

On enquiring with my bank they have informed the said cheques were not received by them (copy of letter attached). Post this on 19th May 2012 again I registered a complaint vide ref no. SROKN/E/2012/03362 but till date no response is received.

After that invoked RTI on 30th Jun 2012 for which got a reply the same was sent through NEFT and got returned. In both the cases the account number mentioned was wrong.

So, on 13th Sep 2012 sent a PF re-issue form through my ex-employer and on 01st Nov 2012 got a SMS stating the form was rejected and rejection letter is under process. Till date have not got any letter or reason of rejection.

I am in bad need of money and request you to advice the better way to get the money at the earliest. Will a lawsuit help and if so can I initiate it in Bangalore because I reside in Bangalore and my PF account is in Mumbai.

Posted on November 19th, 2012

VIVEK KUMAR says:

Dear Manish,
The information that you have provided regarding the transfer and that for withdrawal are very informative, clear and can be used by anyone who has not got his / her withdrawal or transfer done after the specific time frame.
I thank you on behalf of all the valued readers of your blog for such a nice informative article.
I wish you continue giving such informative articles in your blog regularly with your other articles.
Thank you once again.
Regards,
Vivek Kumar

Posted on November 19th, 2012

Ajay says:

Hello,

Its been 3 weeks since I have sent the RTI application (for PF transfer) to the EPFO Office at K.R.Puram, Bangalore. I have followed the template of the application as mentioned above.
I have not heard fromt them yet. Not even an acknowledgement of receipt.

How do I track the status of the RTI.

Is there a way to follow the status of the RTI application or should I wait for them to respond? Will the government agency ever respond? I dont have faith.

Thanks,
Ajay.

Posted on November 20th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

No , you should wait for 30-50 days to get reply . I have got a reply in 50 days !

Posted on November 20th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks for appreciation Vivek !

Posted on November 20th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You need to still file another RTI asking them exact questions which you want to ask . Also file a consumer court case. That should help

Posted on November 20th, 2012

Jayaraman says:

Thanks Manish. Can you share the link for Consumer Court Case. I searched in google but could not zero the correct link. Thanks in advance.

Posted on November 20th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You need to go to consumer court , and file the complain there. We dont have any link as such !

Posted on November 20th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Now you need to file RTI ,there is no other reliable and faster way to get info !

Posted on November 20th, 2012

Jayaraman says:

Thanks Manish.

Posted on November 20th, 2012

VIVEK KUMAR says:

Dear Manish,

Pl let us know can we raise any query related to factory act, labour act, or other act for getting correct reply.

Posted on November 20th, 2012

Veeresh Malik says:

Good information here, Manish, and thanks.

My own claim, submitted on the 23rd of October’12, was “rejected” on the 12th of November’12 as per the online claim information service. This is from EPFO/Delhi North, which has been reported as being the worst zonal performer in the country as per this article:-

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/epfo-settles-only-58–claims-in-a-month/803799/0

So, to help your other readers, I would like to suggest that an RTI Application be filed a few days after submitting the forms itself, asking for relevant progress of the claim or application. In addition, mark soft copies of the RTI to the EPFO HQ office and Vigilance departments too.

I have already started getting phone calls from the EPFO offices, asking me to please stop filing RTIs and complaints, but have told them that it is much more than simply my own personal case, it is about systematic improvements.

Best/Veeresh Malik

Posted on November 21st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Veeresh ! :)

Posted on November 25th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

We are not the best people for that , you might want to open a thread on our forum for that http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/

Posted on November 25th, 2012

Venkat says:

Hi Friends ,

I need a favor in finding the status of below 2 points

#1.Need to find the transfer status of my previous employer PF , both are from Gurgoun.
when i raised the grievance 2 months back after one month i got the below response.
where i had made an transfer request long back (2 years back ) , and still couldn’t able to find the transfer status..
even the by going with know your epf balance option too , i can see only wrong amount
–***
It is informed that after processing your grievance,the following action(s) has been taken:
Your claim form 13 has been referred to concerned RPFC.

Therefore, we are closing your grievance from this office.Please quote the same in your future correspondence.

–***

#2. How to close the PF account and withdraw the amount from an Nonoperative PF account?

Thanks In advance
Venkat

Posted on November 26th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You mean you filed your RTI ?

Posted on November 30th, 2012

Venkat says:

Hi Manish,

I had filed the grievance online , and the above was the response.
do i need to wait , or do i need to file a RTI to know the status of the PF transfer from one to other ?

Thanks in Advance for your help
Venkat

Posted on December 4th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Where is the response ?

Posted on December 5th, 2012

Venkat says:

Hi Manish,

This is the below response from grievance online
****
It is informed that after processing your grievance,the following action(s) has been taken:
Your claim form 13 has been referred to concerned RPFC.

Therefore, we are closing your grievance from this office.Please quote the same in your future correspondence.
****

Thanks
Venkat

Posted on December 5th, 2012

Vemana Kanaka Durgarao says:

Hi Manish,
Following is the response i got against the EPF Grievance i had raised a month ago regarding my PF transfer.

Dear Sir/Madam,

This is with reference to your Grievance registered vide Registration Number SROWF/E/2012/04749.
It is informed that after processing your grievance,the following action(s) has been taken:
Cheque has been returned.Please apply Reauthorization Form.

Therefore, we are closing your grievance from this office.Please quote the same in your future correspondence.

I did not understand how the Cheque related to a PF transfer.

Please let me know what i have to do to proceed further.

Thanks in advance.

Posted on December 7th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Vemana

You should see these links which are listed here to undetstand more about Reauthorization form

https://www.google.co.in/search?q=Reauthorization+Form.&oq=Reauthorization+Form.&aqs=chrome.0.57j62.364&sugexp=chrome,mod=1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=Reauthorization+Form+EPF&oq=Reauthorization+Form+EPF&gs_l=serp.3..0i30j0i8i30.10764.12309.0.12410.5.5.0.0.0.0.357.951.2-1j2.3.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.RJ_8ZCg2TLA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=3869f8a97ac452c5&bpcl=39650382&biw=1517&bih=725

Posted on December 11th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thats means that you filed it with wrong office, you should now file a RTI with the TARGET office !

Posted on December 11th, 2012

Vemana Kanaka Durgarao says:

Thanks Manish…..!!!!

Posted on December 11th, 2012

aravinda says:

Thanks Manish your pasted wonderful information about PF i have one issue earlier i am working 5 years XXX company after 5years that company merged yyy company asper HR PF will transfer to yyy company but i worked one month yyy company next left the job on jan 2012 but PF till now not transfer now i got a form 13 from yyy company HR . How many days taken for transfer and pls advice i have to wait or what to do……

Posted on December 11th, 2012

Abhishek says:

Hi Manish,

Good work. Hats off to you. You are doing really making life of lot of people better..
I also had one querry, see below :
I had applied for EPS (pension fund) withdrawal last year in October.
I checked the status and it says
CLAIM FORM 10C FOR WITHDRAWAL BENEFIT/SCHEME CERTIFICATE FOR MEMBER HAS BEEN RECEIVED ON 04.04.2012 IS UNDER PROCESS.
The same status is being displayed since more than last 6 months, but I dont know how long will it take to get the amount credited to my account. I even registered a grievance and the status is pending since 2 months. Can you suggest any path forward ?

Posted on December 13th, 2012

sai says:

hello sir,
i have one doubt on EPS. i have three EPF accounts and now i have already applied for transfer of three accounts to present account (Form-13). Two accounts already transfered to present account and one account is pending.
But my doubt is that, from earlier accounts they tranferred only My contribution and Employer contribution, but what about EPS portion of the three accounts, in my E passbook, there is nothing about EPS portion of earlier accounts.
please clarify me, shall have to put another application for that EPS to transfer to present EPF account. Thank you

Posted on December 13th, 2012

Nirav says:

I want to file RTI for PF transfer , i just wanted to ask question before processing for RTI. In my case source & destination for transfer is only one state & one city involved. For this i need to do two RTI

Posted on December 15th, 2012

Subash says:

Hi Manish,

You are doing a great work!

I had applied for withdrawal of my EPF, EPF office had rejected it. Later again I applied for the the withdrawal after correcting the earlier mistake (of not having the employers signature in one of the places in the form).
Though I (My previous employer’s HR) submitted the corrected application in October begining this year, they had taken for processing only in November 08th . From then on, the website is showing the status “under process”. My previous HR is saying that the concerned PF official has gone on long leave and new official has to be allotted to look in to this. No certainty when the new official will be allotted. And more than 400 application is already pending with the PF office for the same reason, as said by my previous HR. And the information he (HR) gave me is that in the near future it is unlikely that a new PF official would be allotted and the work would be done; this information is based on his interaction (informal) with other officials in the PF office.

I lodged an online grievane also about 10 days back.

Now (may be, within 15-20 days), I consider the option of filing an RTI. First do you recommend filing RTI at this juncture?. If so, can you please advise me what kind of questions can be put to them in the RTI so that they might expedite the process and settle the claim.

Thanks,

Regards,
S.Subash.

Posted on December 17th, 2012

Brijesh says:

Dear Manish,

Hi this is Ritesh Mishra,

3 months back, I joined my first On role job in a company, where all the contributions are properly being done as per the statuaries under PF.

But the thing is, unfortunately they entered wrong spelling of my last name in PF account and contributed shares of both the parties of last 3 mounts with reference to that incorrect name.

I need your guidance, if there is is any process for name correction in PF Account
or any other way ought ?

Posted on December 18th, 2012

Viji says:

My PF transfer that was pending for 5 months got resolved in 3 weeks, thanks to this forum.RTI really works !!

Posted on December 18th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Viji !

Posted on December 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You are unlucky I would say .. This is your company mistake, But I am sure they will say they are helpless. You should now check with EPFo department on this and get it fixed asap , else you will face a lot of issues in future. Better file a RTI against EPFO asking what is the way out of this .

Posted on December 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Generally you should wait for some months before filing a RTI , but I would say whats the harm in that ? Just file a RTI , it takes Rs 10 and some effort and lot of courage to get out of your lethargy :) . If something happens – then good , else anywyas you dont lose anything !

Posted on December 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You need to see the jurisdiction of your office , I think for you it will be same place !

Posted on December 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You need to fill up form 19 for that ! … but when you transfer , even EPS is transferred !

Posted on December 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Just file a RTI , it should be processed in 1 month !

Posted on December 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

THis all info you can get only by RTI !

Posted on December 19th, 2012

sougato pal says:

My PF transfer got rejected. When I filed a grievance option on their site.They informed that Form 3a/6a has not been submitted so they rejected it so what should I do hear after?

Posted on December 19th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Thats mostly looks like something which has to be submitted from Employer !

Posted on December 19th, 2012

Velan says:

Hi Manish,

I am a Bangalore based citizen.
I left my previous company in June 2011 and applied for transfer of my PF to my current company.My PF was maintained by EPFO K.R Puram Bangalore.
Till now the money has not yet been transferred.
I then wrote a mail to the Peenya office and (Surprisingly) then sent mail to Kr Puram Office to address the issue.
The Kr puram office(surprisingly) sent a mail that they had sent the cheque and it was returned back (My current company says they didn’t receive any cheque).
I was asked to re apply for the the PF transfer. It has been more than 3 months since I reapplied but till now there is no transfer of my hard earned money.
Should I file for an RTI. Kindly help me on this.

Posted on December 19th, 2012

Deena says:

Hi Manish,

Thanks for this wonderful article. I am one among who got benefited from this article. I had issues in transferring my PF accumulations from my first company to my current(third company) for the past 5 years.

I have filled an RTI petition with the concerned EPFO and got my PF successfully transferred in about 5 week time.

Thanks once again.

Cheers
Deena

Posted on December 20th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Great to hear that Deena ! .. There are many who got it done !

Posted on December 21st, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes, now its time to file the RTI and ask questions for which you need to answer !

Posted on December 21st, 2012

Subash says:

Thanks. My EPF withdrawal is done. Processing has taken 40 days. They have closed my online grievance as well.

Posted on December 21st, 2012

Vasu says:

Hi Manish,

I am Vasu from chennai.

Its Really good article and very informative.

and i need one help

I have transfered my PF from my previous company to current one by giving the pf transfer form(i forget abt the form number) to the current company HR before 4.5 months.Now my question is

1. How i do know whether PF has transfered,since the current pf a/c number is different from previous one.

2.Is there any link to know the PF TRANSFER Status

Thanks
Vasu

Posted on December 24th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Great ! .. did you use RTI ?

Posted on December 24th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

You need to get all this info using RTI now !

Posted on December 24th, 2012

Sibin says:

It worked for me. I got my EPF tansfer information through RTI filing :)

Posted on December 26th, 2012

Raja says:

Please suggest me on this and it’s a great help full to me.
I resigned my previous organization on Jan 10’2011 and my previous organization submitted the PF transfer Form to RPFC Office on September 05, 2011.
But till now PF Transfer not completed.
Regarding this I raised an online Grievance and got a reply like
“It is informed that after processing your grievance, the following action(s) has been taken:
Cheque has been returned. Please apply Reauthorization Form.
Therefore, we are closing your grievance from this office. Please quote the same in your future correspondence.”
Now my question is who will submit/apply Reauthorization Form is my Previous Organization or Current Organization? What is meant by Reauthorization Form?
If I apply the Reauthorization Form will I get the interest on amount till date or not?
Please guide me now can I apply Reauthorization Form or submit a RTI ?
Thanks in advance.

Posted on December 27th, 2012

Mayank says:

Hi Manish, Thanks for this wonderful information.

Not sure if I can use this RTI thing in my case as my case is for PF transfer from Pune to Gurgaon. I have used EPF grievance service to know status of my application. Concerned officer from Gurgaon responded that application has been approved and forwarded to concern office long back(Pune in my case).

When I raised EPF grievance for Pune account, they are saying that they haven’t received any application.

Looks like my application has been lost somewhere.

Will RTI be helping me to know where my application has gone.

Posted on December 27th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

yes , you can use RTi for this !

Posted on December 29th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Its a form you need to submit now , see this http://www.citehr.com/276300-pf-reauthorization-form.html

Posted on December 29th, 2012

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that SIBIN

Posted on December 29th, 2012

rajeev says:

I changed my job, location remain the same (Bangalore). I’ve given a EPF transfer request, this was acknowledged by the EPF office (I’ve a copy of it). But I still don’t know the transfer happened or not? How do I track it? RTI is the way? or any other method?

From the EPF website I am not able retrieve the balance, getting the same error message as others:
““STATUS for Member ID: BG/BNG/002*****/000/0000****
Invalid Member_id / Data not updated against this BG/BNG/002****/000/0000***

Posted on December 31st, 2012

Phani.M says:

have an EPF account (MH/37528/017518) with my previous employer Oracle Financial Services Software Limited (formerly called i-flex Solutions Limited) company based in Mumbai. I applied for withdrawal of my EPF account on (07/07/2009) The application has been settled for the amount Rs 21032/-and Rs.5648/-and has been remitted vide cheque nos. 215071 dated 26.02.2010 and 491719 dated 26.02.2010 respectively. Bank details: A/C no. 00821610026608, HDFC BANK, NUGAMBAKKAM Branch.
But the given savings bank account was closed before the PF settlement was done and the amount was not credited to SB account so I have reapplied once again and submitted application on (12/10/2011) by giving new SB account number but the application is rejected stating that the amount was already settled.

Posted on January 2nd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Did you use the RTI for knowing the status ?

Posted on January 3rd, 2013

Phani.M says:

Hi Manish,

Thanks for the quick reply,

After seeing your articles only i have applied for RTI on 28/12/2012. Thanks for givin valuble information.
Please clear my dought that if the account given in the application was closed before the PF amount was setteles then that PF amount will be with the PF office only or with the BANK

Posted on January 3rd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Actually PF office sends the money to SBI and they send it to your account, so you need to ask clearly, what does “CLOSED” or “SETTLED” mean !

Posted on January 3rd, 2013

Phani.M says:

Hi Manish,
Thanks for quick reply,

After going through yur articles i have sent RTI application on 28/12/2012.
I have one more dought please clarify if I am wrong, If the SB account given in the PF form is closed before the PF amount is setteled then the amount will not be credited to the SB account and the PF amount will be with PF organisation only ?

Posted on January 3rd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

RTI is the only way now .

Posted on January 3rd, 2013

Fathima Riswana says:

Hi,

To know the PF transfer status –

a. If I have to fill the RTI online what is the Department/Ministry Details I need to select?

b. If I have to send by post – what is the fee for RTI application for Bandra RPFC office, Mumbai – Maharashta

Posted on January 4th, 2013

Jimmy says:

Very Good Article

Now I am aware about every formality of EPF.
If I need any help will get your suggestion for sure. thank you Manish for the information.

Regards,
Jimmy

Posted on January 4th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Welcome !

Posted on January 8th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

a. Ministry of Labour

b. Rs 10

Posted on January 8th, 2013

Prakriti says:

Hi ,

I was working under Mafoi consultancy payrolls in Jamshedpur from 2004 Sep to 2005 sep. Once relieved from services, I had applied for pf withdrwal , however same was not catered to. Had filled up pf withdrawl form 4-5 times , however due to apathy shown by the local spoc and REGIONAL OFFICE IN kOLKATA, no movement happened. Had lost the hope. However now I am trying to withdraw pf and checked the status of my pf , which to my surprise is reflecting as inactive account. I am not able to locate the correct correspondence address of my employer to check way forward regarding withdrawl of my pf bi=ut am not able to get the details. pls guide me what should I do to withdraw the pf from the account which is inactive. My pf account belongs to Tamil Nadu and am currently posted at Bangalore

Posted on January 10th, 2013

Srinivasan says:

Hi Manish,
I have applied the transfer of my previous PF through my current employer just 6 months before. I have checked the status of my previous PF account through the online e-passbook. In the pdf the contents as follows, “Passbook cannot be generated Reason: Settled Member.” What this means, is that transferred to the my new PF account ? To verify that, i have checked my current PF account number with online, but i am getting error message while getting e-passbook “You have entered invalid Member ID”. What can i do now ? Do i need to file 2 RTI for the both PF accounts? Your help is appreciated.

Posted on January 10th, 2013

Jonathan says:

I’m facing the same problem as Srinivasan, and would be most interested in knowing what next steps could be. I moved employers, and my previous account statement says “Passbook cannot be generated. Reason: Settled Member.” Does this mean that the balance has been successfully transferred to my new employer? There’s no way to find out since I cannot view the statement for my current account. I get an error message “You have entered invalid Member ID”. Do I need to file 2 RTI for the both PF accounts? Or should I just wait and see?

Posted on January 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes better file 2 RTI for seperate accounts . that should give you good enough information in next 30-40 days !

Posted on January 14th, 2013

Srinivasan says:

Thanks Manish.

Posted on January 15th, 2013

Phani.M says:

Hi Manish,

I have applied for RTI on 28/12/2012 with postal order in registeres post with acknowledgement letter but still have not received received my acknowledgement letter back to me to know the status wehether my application was received by EPF office or not

Posted on January 16th, 2013

Gaurav Mahajan says:

Sir,
I left my first company in 2010 and applied for PF transfer. I stayed in new company for 6 months and joined back my older company again. Here also I applied for PF transfer.
When I go to EPFO site and put my PF account number , it shows that “your account is invlid”. Currently I don’t know the balance in my previous PF accounts.Can you please help me on this.

Posted on January 17th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Now better you take the route of RTI !

Posted on January 18th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Its just been 3 weeks now .. wait for another 20-30 days !

Posted on January 18th, 2013

Gaurav says:

Sir,
I left my first company in july 2010 and applied for EPF transfer. I left my second company after 6 months and joined the previous one and again applied for EPF transfer. When I go to EPF site to check the balance it says “your account is invalid”.
I don’t know the balance in my previous two accounts. How should I go about it ?
Thanks in advance.

Posted on January 18th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

File a RTI now !

Posted on January 18th, 2013

Gaurav Mahajan says:

Sir,
I left my first company in aug 2010 and applied for EPF transfer. I left my second company and again applied for EPF transfer. When I go to EPF to check mk previous balance , it says “your account is invalid.” for both of my previous accounts. I don’t know the balance in my previous EPF accounts also. How should I go about it.
Thanks in advance.

Posted on January 18th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

File a RTI now ..

Posted on January 18th, 2013

DEEPAK CHAND says:

dear sir ji,
mein haryana tourism. govt job se 1 may 2012 ko retire hua hu. mujhe abhi tak p.f
ka money nahi mila . sir mujhe kya karna chahiye

Posted on January 18th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

File a RTI now

Posted on January 19th, 2013

Gaurav says:

Hi Manish,

I have been working in a company for past 7 years and in June 2012 they have terminated my services. After several follow up with HR & Legal dept for my PF withdrawl they just signed Form-10C and didnt attest (signed) Form -13 & return my documents by saying apply directly to the PF office by getting attested my Bank Manager. After going through lot of forums on internet I understand that I can get my signature attested from a PSU Bank Manager in such scenario and submit the forms10c & 13 along with copy of passoport, PAN Card,SB Passbook, Cancelled cheque along with an application to the PF commissioner saying that company is not cooperating and not ready to attest my with PF withdrawl forms.I have followed the same get my signature attested by PSU Bank Manager and submit to EPFO. After a month when I check the online status it was Rejected.
The reason was “Employeer attestation(signature) required” after I recieved my documents. Now my question is to you.

1)How to submit the PF withdrawl forms if your previous company is not attesting your Forms ?
2) I cannot submit Form3A along with the withdrawl forms documents.
3) Is there any other documents need to be submit in such scenario.

I’m located in Delhi and our EPF office is Mumbai so I cannot visit EPF office often for follow ups. Please advice in such scenario how I can withdraw my PF when my previous company is not ready to attest/sign the forms and cannot provide Form3A. Is there any other way out please advice as I’m really need of this money.

Thanks & keep up the good work…

Best Regards
Gaurav

Posted on January 22nd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes you can do that .. check this http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2012/11/withdraw-your-epf-without-employer-signature.html

Posted on January 22nd, 2013

V Kapoor says:

Hi Manish,
I joined my new employer in Oct 2010. My employer has its own PF trust. Hence in the letter sent by my new employer, it was clearly mentioned that the EPF/PF amount (from RPO Chandigarh) be tranferred to my employer’s given trust account & FPF be transferred to RPO, Delhi.

After followup from my side, I was told in Oct-2011 that the entire accumulation has been sent to RPO, Delhi. Since then, I am following up with RPO, Chandigarh. But noone is taking intrest. I filed greivance in EPF grievance redressal recently after reading your article.
Pls tell me, if there is any timeframe by when EPF grievance redressal reverts with the needful or do I take up the RTI route for faster action ?

Posted on January 23rd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

RTI is the best thing you can do now

Posted on January 24th, 2013

Gaurav Mahajan says:

Since I’ve left my second company also , can I mention my current EPF number and tell them to transfer(for both cases) to this new account?
Thanks in advance.

Posted on January 25th, 2013

DILIP SINGH BISHT says:

Hi sir i am DILIP SINGH BISTH. 4 year has been passed still i did not get my PF . i worked in WELSPUN GUJARAT STAHL ROHEN for May 2005 to december 2008. till 2007 company sent the pf in SURAT after that RAJKOT. I applied for pf through this company, i only get my 27 thousand. may be this amount from RAJKOT. i dont know ,my pf transfered or not from SURAT to RAJKOT. so now how i will get my full amount.

Posted on January 26th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

file a RTI application and ask your questions to EPFO !

Posted on January 30th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes , you can do that now

Posted on January 30th, 2013

Vibhavari says:

Hi Manish,

I had opted for a PF transfer from epfo office of Pune to a private trust in Bangalore that belongs to my current organisation. It’s been more than a year and the transfer is yet not done. The claim status says that “Claim form 13 for Account Transfer has been settled. Annexure K and Payment sent through NEFT”. But my organisations claims that they have not yet received the Annexure K and hence the ammount is not settled. They are asking me to follow-up with the EPFO, Pune to get a copy of Annexure K and then the setllement can continue. But I have been getting no resposne from EPFO Pune, tried reaching them on phone, registered a grevieance, sent a reminder to the the same, visited their office but was not allowed to meet the officer. Please suggest what should be done in this case ?
Regards,
Vibhavari

Posted on January 31st, 2013

Prashant says:

Hi,

Sincere Thanks to you…. You are really helping thousands of people who are facing issues with their PF refund / PF withdrawal… Thank you…

Posted on January 31st, 2013

Prashant says:

Thank you Dear Manish,

You are helping thousands of people like me……

Posted on January 31st, 2013

Nitin says:

Hi,

I would like to know that IPO should be in favour of “Accounts Officer,EPFO” or “Accounts Officer,EPFO,Hyderabad”, if I’ve to sent the RTI application to EPFO,Hyderabad office.

Posted on February 4th, 2013

Nitin Saxena says:

If i’ve to send the RTI application to EPFO-Hyderabad, then IPO should be in favour of “Accounts Officer,EPFO” or “Accounts Officer,EPFO,Hyderabad”?

Posted on February 4th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Accounts Officer,EPFO,Hyderabad

Posted on February 6th, 2013

Nitin Saxena says:

Thanks a lot for the info,Manish.

Posted on February 6th, 2013

Sunny says:

Hi Manish,

I have filed for an RTI on Jan 17th, 2013 for transfer of EPF in hyderabad. How can i track the RTI filed?

Thanks,
Sunny

Posted on February 6th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Welcome

Posted on February 7th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Welcome :)

Posted on February 7th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

The simple answer is file a RTI with your query asking for explainations !

Posted on February 7th, 2013

Kabeer pandit says:

Vibhavari,

My case is similar.I did it different way.There is another way too. Go to current group officer who is handling your account. Give him letter that you require the K annexure. He would draft a letter and get it signed from PF commissioner. Give the letter to previous PF office. This previous PF office Group accounts officer would give you annexure K.

Give it to the current PF office.

Posted on February 9th, 2013

Sai Sriram Chittuluru says:

Hi Manish,

Sharing my story for the benefit of the readers like me. Regarding the delay in PF transfer from Karnataka to Hyderabad, I sent 16+ emails which went unanswered. The main issue was, after submission of documents to Hyderabad PF office, they did not send relevant documents to Karnataka PF office requesting for the transfer. As a result my account became inactive and stopped accruing of interest. I filed online grievances (around 9+) for which I got either incomplete, incorrect, inconsistent, deliberate wrong and misleading answers. I was shocked to see that PF officers telling lies on record.
I filed RTI with Hyderabad PF office. I have sent all the proofs and asked why the transfer did not happen, why they have inconsistent or incorrect answers or why I should not demand interest from Hyderabad PF office as my PF account became inactive for no mistake of mine, while I have all the proofs to show that I have done whatever is required from me. To my surprise, PF office answered only after 2 months, stating that they did not have supporting documents in the courier sent (another white lie), and as per PF act, We should not be asking ‘Why’ sort of questions and we are expected ask only information. Asking ‘Why’ means we are questioning the decision making capability of the officer and per some supreme court judgement, RTI applicant should not be asking ‘Why’. I was again shocked. Finally I filed a civil case against them and waiting to hear back. I have decided not to give up.. Hyderabad PF office is very notorious and if anyone is dealing with them, I strongly advice to exercise caution and have all the documents in hand. As and when I see some developments in my case, I shall post it in this forum.

Posted on February 10th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks for sharing that .. I didnt knew that we cant ask for WHY kind of questions . But Still I am not sure on this, do you have any link which says that ?

Posted on February 11th, 2013

Sai Sriram Chittuluru says:

Hi Manish,

I do not have the link of the document. They replied to RTI application. The following is their response
Quote
Further it is observed that the applicant asked questions with prefixes “Why”. In this regard, I would like to draw your attention to the judgement of Hon’ble High Court of Bombay in W.P.No.419 of 2007 dated 03.04.2008 in case of Dr. Celsa Pinto Vs Goa State Information Commissioner where in it was held that “the definition of information can not include with in its fold answers to the question ‘why’ which would same thing as asking the reason for a justification of a particular thing. The public information authorities can not expect to communicate to the citizen why a certain thing was done or not done in the sense of justification because the citizen makes a requisition about information. Justifications are the mater within the domain of adjudicating authorities and cannot properly classified as information.”

Unquote

Posted on February 11th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks for sharing that .. it was really surprising information , but I can see a logic in that !

Posted on February 11th, 2013

Phani.M says:

Hi Manish,

I got reply for my RTI application they asked mr to send application for reissue of the cheques where the PF amount was already settled, but not mentioned any name of the application form (like 10c,19c,..).
If you have any information regarding the application of Reissue of the cheques please let me know.

Posted on February 12th, 2013

Nagesh says:

Hi Manish,

Please help me in this.

Issue : PF withdrawal Rejection stating-Salary credited for the month of jan from XYZ company- Resumbit form with form 13

Hi this is Nagesh from Rajajinagar. I was working with OPI pvt ltd from oct 2009 to May 2012(30 months). Currently I am working with Accenture Pvt Ltd since last 6 months. While joining Accenture in Aug-2012 I have opted for PF withdrawal from OPI and submitted forms to PF office in the month of November-2012. According to the policy I attached all the documents along with the cancelled cheque with 2 months bank statement.

After 2 months when I found that PF withdrawal form got rejected stating the above reason. While checking the documents(bank statement) they found that I am working with new company and salary is being credited from past 3 months and rejected my PF form asking me to apply for PF Tracnsfer- 13. I personally visited to KR Puram office and asked for my PF money but they strictly said we cant. The only option is transfer or just leave it.

1)lease can anybody help me, Is there any law that says : we cannot withdraw our previous company pf amount if we are working currently with some other company.

2)Can I still able to withdraw my previous company PF amount or Transfer is the only option?

Posted on February 13th, 2013

christy says:

I had quit my previous employer in the year 2011 jan. My previous employer mainted the pf account in its own pf trust (based in bangalore). I had raised a request to transfer the amount from my previous employer’s trust to my current employer’s pf account (based in chennai epfo). During Aug 2011, my previous employer had sent the cheque to my current employer and later by Sept 2011 my current employer had submitted the cheque to Chennai EPFO. After raising couple of grievences with EPFO, I finally got below response.

Response from epfindia:
The claim in Form 13 was sent to the RPFC, Bomasandra, Bangalore on 19.10.2011 , where the previous account number is maintained. The member is requested to furnish the NEFT DETAILS/cheque number, date, amount & date of realization of the cheque and signed copy of Annexure K for further redressal of grievance. If the said details are not available, he may take up the issue with the RPFC, where the previous account number is maintained.

My previous employer maintained its own trust and i am not sure why Form 13 was sent to RPFC, Bomasandra, Bangalore. If I have to raise a RTI, please let me know to whom it should be sent.
Thanks

Posted on February 15th, 2013

Vishnu says:

Hi Manish,

Thanks for the useful info.On seeing this post, i knew how to file an rti application
Coming to my issue.My first company was satyam,Hyd and when i shifted to my second company Microland ltd.Bangalore,I applied for PF transfer and then i didn’t check whether the transfer has happened or not.Now ehen i got shifted to my new company, i applied for my PF withdrawal of microland.Microland pf trust team informed me that they didn’t receive any cheque on behalf of of transfer from satyam to my account at all.
When i checked with the hyd pf team,they told me that they dispatched the cheque and they gave the cheque details to me. when i enquired in the accounts section of pf ofc hyd,the cheque was neither returned back or encashed by the microland pf team.
Then they asked me to submit the reauthorisation letter from Microland of team that they have not received the cheque.I submitted it, but again hyd pf team are telling that they issued the cheque and ask them to return the cheque sent by them.

My question here is how can the microland pf team submit thecheque which they haven’t received??

So on seeing ur post..i filed 2 rti applications..1 for hyd epfo and other for karnataka epfo 2 weeks back..

Can you please tell me how can i check the status of theses rti’s filed as i don’t have any rti number.Ionly have the speed post acknowledgement number with me.

Please guide me so that what all can i do in this regard.

Thanks bro in Advance !!!

Posted on February 15th, 2013

Abhishek says:

Thanks a lot Manish. As suggested by you, I filed RTI for the same, and got a reply from PF office that the 10C claim and form 13 has been rejected.

Is it due to the fact that my previous company internally transferred me to other parent company, with change in my PF account in July 11, but I resigned in August 11, and then I applied for both form 13 and form 10C for PF/EPS transfer as well as withdrawal respectively.(please note I was working in the same company from 2008 upto July 11, before this internal transfer)

Is it due to the fact that 6 month criteria was not met for EPS withdrawal?
In any case I need to at least get my EPS for earlier 3 years , what do you suggest?

Kindly advise what to do in this case, can I directly submit form 10C to the concerned PF office, by post, or I have to submit it through my previous employer only.

Thanks again.

Regards,
Abhishek

Posted on February 16th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

If your EPF is yet active, then its means that you are still employed with same company (for EPF purpose atleast). I suggest you file another RTI and get clarity directly from EPFO on what is the way out for you now !

Posted on February 18th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

You should get the replies within 40-50 days . Just keep those RTI acnowledgement numbers , which you can quote again incase you do not get any replies !

Posted on February 18th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Did you check with your current employer on this ?

Posted on February 18th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

1. Yes , you need to be unemployed to withdraw your EPF .

2. Transfer is the only option

Posted on February 18th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Check on our forum – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/

Posted on February 18th, 2013

Abhishek says:

Thanks a lot Manish for your reply.

My EPF is not active now. I have withdrawn my PF from both the accounts after resigning , but since these were company trust PF account, I got the PF money within 2 months .

Now I am facing problem with this EPS withdrawal. Can I file an RTI clearly asking the PF office to suggest the path forward? Will they reply to such RTI? Please advice on this.

Thanks again

Posted on February 19th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes.. Just file a RTI and post your questions to them . RTI should be able to move them out of their comfort zone and do some work . Do not ask “why” kind of questions ..

Posted on February 21st, 2013

Abhishek says:

Thanks again Manish.
I will do the same and will keep you updated and offcourse seek your advice if I require further help !

Abhishek

Posted on February 22nd, 2013

Anand says:

There is a possibility to withdraw the earlier PF. You can withdraw provided you are buying flat or pre-closure of your home loan (not sure about other loan types) or you want to renovate the house. However, you need to furnish some supporting documents basis on the reasons you put…

Posted on February 22nd, 2013

Boby says:

Hi Manish,

I had quit from my first company on 2011 and joined in another company. In the 2nd company, i opted for the transfer of PF and submitted form 13 for the transfer. But still, it is not trfd from first. When i checked EPFO website, it is shown as -Under Process for a long time, but no appreciable improvement. Now i am in 3rd Company and have another PF account. what should i do now. i wanted to trfr past 2 PF balances to my current(3rd) company…

Posted on February 22nd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

RTI is the only option now which will help you

Posted on February 25th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes its possible :)

Posted on February 25th, 2013

Rama says:

Hurray………….It worked(20 days)

Got the money transfer into account.

Dear Manish Thanks.

Really the article is very very helpful.

Posted on February 27th, 2013

Deepa says:

Hi Manish, I have moved to my current employer B A Continuum in July 2011 and in March 2012 I applied for a PF transfer from my previous employer HSBC. My current employer submitted the cheque received from my previous employer HSBC India to RPO Hyderabad (where my company is headquartered) on 12/04/2012 and they have proof of the same. However, in reply to my grievance, the EPFiGMs office had stated that no transfer in amount has been received. Upon enquiring at HSBC PF office, I have found that the amount has been encashed on 7th May 2012 itself. I have proof of Annexure K, confirmation from HSBC which had a private PF trust that amount has been encashed, proof from B A Continuum that they submitted my cheque. It has been 9 months since the cheque has been encashed however no amount has been credited to my account. I am extremely worried. Can my funds be swindled? I thought that these cheques are a/c payee cheques? Are they? What should I do as the party at fault here is clearly RPO hyderabad and after repeated grievances, they still dont give adequate response.

Posted on February 28th, 2013

Kaushik says:

Hi,
I need to file an RTI to EPFO Bangalore, Krpuram, Whitefield.

Can you please tell me postal order should be favoured to whom?

Is it “Accounts Officer of EPFO” Bangalore

or “Accounts Officer of EPFO” Bangalore, Krpuram, Whitefield

Regards,
Kaushik

Posted on February 28th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Only Bangalore will do !

Posted on March 1st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

use RTI now .. they will budge !

Posted on March 1st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Rama :)

Posted on March 1st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Rama

Posted on March 1st, 2013

Kaushik says:

Thanks Manis,

Just one more query.

I have seen in some web site that Application fee for RTI varies from state to state. So what will be the fees for RTI application to Bangalore. BTW I am a resident of West Bengal.

Thanks,
Kaushik

Posted on March 3rd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Mostly its Rs 10 only .. but yes, in some cases it can vary . you can get the fees part from the website of the department where you are filing it

Posted on March 3rd, 2013

Raghavendra says:

i was working for a company and the company has the PF account in Delhi and now i need to submit my pf withdraw form.

should i need to submit in Delhi or can i submit in Bangalore Office.

if Delhi then can i send it through registered post.

Posted on March 5th, 2013

pankaj mishra says:

i was working in a private company in orissa.(2008)
when i decided to switch(2010), the company didnot give me f &F settlement. i have heard that to withdraw epf permission from employer is necessary.is it true?
Please tell me how can i get my money back either by withdrawing or by transfering to my new epf.

Also tell me which forms to be filled for the same.

Posted on March 7th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Read this – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2012/11/withdraw-your-epf-without-employer-signature.html

Posted on March 8th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

You have to submit at the place which is the company jurisdiction .

Posted on March 13th, 2013

Anurag says:

Hi Manish,

Very noble work ! There are many capable people around us but not everybody knows how to give it back to the society. You have done a wonderful job here!

Keep it up!
-Anurag

Posted on March 18th, 2013

srinivas says:

Hi Manish,

I have applied for PF transfer from Huawei[Bangalore] to Alcatel-Lucent[Chennai]. But Alcatel people told that my PF was not transferred. When I checked my Huawei PF account balance online, it shows :

STATUS for Member ID: PY/KRP/0024909/000/0003293

Your account has been settled. For detail’s please contact respective EPF Office.

Could you please guide me whether i need to file RTI for Huawei PF office.

Huawei PF account is maintained by Govt. PF office[KR Puram, Bangalore] , no private trust. But Alcatel PF was maintained by private trust.

Thanks,
Srinivas

Posted on March 18th, 2013

Anurag says:

Hi Manish,

You mentioned it somewhere that there is no interest paid after three years of last PF contribution or when you discontinue an existing PF account. Not sure if I misunderstood your statement. In any case, are you aware of tax liability if I withdraw my PF anytime before or after 5 years after resigning from my job?

Good work!
-Anurag

Posted on March 18th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes , if you withdraw the money from a EPF account which is not 5 yrs old, then the amount you get becomes your income for that year and you pay tax on that

Posted on March 19th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Settled at times means that the payment has been made to SBI who is responsible to transfer it to you ..

Check these things with RTI now ..

Posted on March 19th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks Anurag !

Posted on March 19th, 2013

srinivas says:

Hi Manish,

Thanks for the reply.

Could you please help me what things i need check with whom(SBI).

Could you please provide more details on how to proceed on this.

Thanks,
Srinivas

Posted on March 19th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Use the RTI template given in the article and file it to EPF department asking what is the exact status of your EPF settlement , who is resposible to make payment and what is the meaning of that status which you are getting ?

Posted on March 19th, 2013

Wriju Bharadwaj says:

Ha ha :D

I filed a grievance and got confirmation from the Chennai office that the amount has been transferred in December. However my current employer remained mum about the whole.

When I charged the PF team regarding the transfer and delay it led to an escalation and after two months of arguments the team finally admitted the delay and error and now they have confirmed the amount is going to be credited in my account.

Thanks for your suggestions.

Cheers…

Posted on March 19th, 2013

Anurag says:

Thanks Manish!

Please spare few more minutes for me 
1) When you say 5 years old, is it starting from EPF account opening date or 5 years after the resignation? I guess first option though but just to clarify better.

2) Who will deduct the tax in case of withdrawal before 5years? I need to declare or EPF department will deduct the tax from the final payment itself?

3) Hopefully last question for you, in case of PF transfer; I think every new organization will open a new EPF account where I can transfer my old PF fund. Isn’t it a good idea to not to transfer PF fund and keep old accounts running so I can withdraw old PF fund taxfree after 5 years? Of course I will have to sacrifice the interest of 2 years but I should be able to save more tax?

Thx

Posted on March 19th, 2013

SRINIVASAN G says:

Dear Sir,

I am doing business with Nilgiri’s Dairy Farm Pvt.Ltd. who is having an online account in your bank.

Recently I received a ledger from them stating that a sum of Rs.2.5 lac is pending for the period from 01-APR-2009 to 9.3.2013

I have made online payment the above mention account from 2009 onwards. Due to recent incident in my office I lost the entire records in total and now I am totally blank to reconcile my account with them.

I need the account statement from ICICI and syndicate banks of Hosur branch.

When I contact the respective branch managers they told that with the permission of the owner of the account they can able to give the statement of the account as per my requirement.

When I spoke to the owner of the account they refuse to give any such letter to get the statement from the bank.

Recently to close the year end issues they forcefully entered in to an MOU to clear their dues.

Even now I am not denying their dues if any. What I request them is just to give a letter to get the statement from the bank after reconcile there account. There is no periodical ledger reconciliation right from the beginning between both of us.

Once get the statement from the Bank I will filter the missing entries and get the xerox copy of the chalan from the bank and if that is relevant to my payment I will ask them for a credit entry in my account.

Kindly help me how get the bank statement through RTI.

Srinivasan G

Posted on March 19th, 2013

Ankush Goel says:

Hi Manish,

I have a transfer case form Gurgaon PF office to North Delhi PF office. The status at the Gurgaon office is that they have rejected the transfer application seeking some more information. Whereas as per Delhi office, they are awaiting inputs from Gurgaon office and have no information about claim rejection.

Any pointers whom should I be putting an RTI for in this case and asking for what?

Posted on March 20th, 2013

Sofia Simon says:

Hi Manish,

I have an inoperative PF account in Pune and in spite of my numerous attempts to transfer/withdraw nothing as materialized. I was working in Pune from Jun 2005 to Nov 2007. Now I have learnt that interest is not accumulated on in-operative PF accounts. Can you please let me know if there is any chance of receiving the missed interest if I choose to transfer to my current PF account?

Posted on March 20th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

No , you cant get any missed interest, once its inoperative , then you will not get any interest on that. Now I suggest you FILE the RTI application and get clarity on this

Posted on March 21st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

You have to put a RTI to Gurgaon office and ask them what is the reason for rejection and what is the next step , Then you have to initiate the process again

Posted on March 21st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

ICICI does not come under RTI .. you will have to get it only from the branch

Posted on March 21st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

1. Starting from opening date
2. You have to pay it
3. Yes you can do that . But after 3 yrs of inactivity , your account stops getting any interest and when you are in JOB , its not legal to withdraw the EPF , you should only transfer it

Posted on March 21st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Good :)

Posted on March 21st, 2013

Sofia Simon says:

Thanks Manish for the reply !!

I was a little confused because of the below article where they said interest will be paid but this is now mentioned any where else.

http://www.livemint.com/Money/bgMlF7lQygHOnjSdYKdzKJ/DYK-Amont-in-inoperative-EPF-accounts-may-also-get-interest.html

Posted on March 21st, 2013

Rajan Kumar says:

Hi Manish,

I have applied for PF withrawal…after 2 months I have checked the status online its showing my application got rejected. How I am going to know the reason why my application got rejected. I have given many calls to EPFO Hyderabad…but nobody answering me properly…even they are not picking up my calls…I am very tense…even when submitting the application my employer checked both the forms…it was correct, then y my application got rejected. Even I didn’t get my rejection letter.How to get a claim as early as possible….kindly suggest.

Posted on March 21st, 2013

Rajan Kumar says:

Kindly reply to my query..

Posted on March 22nd, 2013

NandaKumar says:

Thank you very much sir for the post! This article helped me to submit RTI to solve PF transfer hell. After nearly a year of transfer application, PF money got transferred from old account to new account in matter of 30 days.

Thanks once again

Posted on March 23rd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that :)

Posted on March 23rd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

u should now use RTI to ask this, they will reply to it . Note that you need not ask WHY questions , it will not be answered !

Posted on March 23rd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

You will start getting interest on the amount if you transfer it to active account. But you will not be able to get back the OLD interest which you didnt get because the account was inactived .

Posted on March 23rd, 2013

Sofia Simon says:

Thanks a lot Manish !!

Posted on March 25th, 2013

Rajan Kumar says:

I have filed a EPF grievance & I got a reply from PF office
“Claims in Form-19 and 10C were returned to employer on 18/03/2013 for want of Form 3A & Form 6A. In this regard, the member is requested to contact the employer for early resubmission along with all documents. On receipt of the same, the claims will be processed as per manual of accounting procedure and on merits.”

What is this 3A & 6A forms….is this submitted by Employer along with Form 19 & 10c.
I have contacted the employer they are saying we didn’t get any returned form.
Kindly help how to proceed forward from here.

Posted on March 27th, 2013

Rajan Kumar says:

I have filed a EPF grievance & I got a reply from PF office
“Claims in Form-19 and 10C were returned to employer on 18/03/2013 for want of Form 3A & Form 6A. In this regard, the member is requested to contact the employer for early resubmission along with all documents. On receipt of the same, the claims will be processed as per manual of accounting procedure and on merits.”

What is this 3A & 6A forms….is this submitted by Employer along with Form 19 & 10c.
I have contacted the employer they are saying we didn’t get any returned form.
Kindly help me how to proceed further from here.

Posted on March 28th, 2013

Rajan Kumar says:

Kindly reply to my query……

Posted on March 29th, 2013

Rajan Kumar says:

I have filed a EPF grievance & I got a reply from PF office
“Claims in Form-19 and 10C were returned to employer on 18/03/2013 for want of Form 3A & Form 6A. In this regard, the member is requested to contact the employer for early resubmission along with all documents. On receipt of the same, the claims will be processed as per manual of accounting procedure and on merits.”

What is this 3A & 6A forms….is this submitted by Employer along with Form 19 & 10c, How to fill-up these forms 3A & 6A
I have contacted the employer they are saying we didn’t get any returned form.
Kindly help me how to proceed further from here.

Posted on April 1st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Rajan

Please start a thread to discuss your issue on our forum – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/

Posted on April 3rd, 2013

Boby says:

Thanks for your suggestion. They did act upon RTI filing

Posted on April 4th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Great !

Posted on April 6th, 2013

sudarshan says:

Dear sir,

One of my friend who was expired 3 month’s back had a pf account in old company. The company was closed and he did not withdrawn. Now is it possible to withdraw pf from his wife ? she had company’s appointment letter, salary slip but no pf account number.

please help if you have any suggestions.

regards,

Sudarshan

Posted on April 8th, 2013

Unmesh says:

Hi,
I applied under RTI to EPFO Bandra, Mumbai for my EPF transfer. But in the response to that I got incomplete information.
1. The information sought was “Please let me know the reason for rejection and date of rejection letter dispatched with dispatched address”
=> The response was “it pertains to Gr. 63″ .
Most of the response is pertains to Gr.63 and do not pertains to Gr.23.
From my perspective the information is misleading and is incomplete.
Do you have any information about what is Gr.63 ?

Posted on April 8th, 2013

Pavan Agrawal says:

Hi
I am recently changed my JOB. My previous company is not communicating with me regarding my EPF. Can I file an RTI against my previous company in this case.

Thanks
Pavan Agrawal

Posted on April 10th, 2013

Prakash Shirke says:

Hi,

I had applied for PF transfer from my old organisation to my new organisation in August 2008 both under Bandra jurisdiction. The old organisation submitted the traNsfer request to Bandra EPFO in Nov 2008. The transfer was not effected by 2013 April. I had quit the new organisation in October 2012 and given for withdrawal. Only the contribution from new organisation has been credited. When I checked with my new organisation they have replied that PF office has informed that I have already donne my withdrawal from my previous account. This is absolutely untrue. No credit has occurred in my bank accounts and I have filled no form for withdrawal. Can you suggest a course of action?

Posted on April 11th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

You will get right information only with RTI now

Posted on April 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

No , companies do not come under RTI , Only EPFO does

Posted on April 12th, 2013

Prakash Shirke says:

Ok. Thanks. Let me try it first. But if RTI answer is not satisfactory is there any way i can take the PF dept to court?

Thanks

Prakash

Posted on April 12th, 2013

Pavan Agrawal says:

Thanks Manish,

This means I cannot take any legal action if my previous company is not responding?

Thanks
Pavan

Posted on April 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes ,you cant .. all you can do is , file a RTI and find out the exact status of your EPF and then if process is still not initiated , then you can withdraw the EPF without your past employer signatures , read this article – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2012/11/withdraw-your-epf-without-employer-signature.html

Posted on April 12th, 2013

Pavan says:

thanks manish

Posted on April 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Not very sure of it , but I found a PDF which had a point number 63 which says some thing like

63. Conversion of policy into a paid up one and payment of late fee,
etc.
Where a policy of Life Insurance of a member is financed from his Provident
Fund Account, the Commissioner may,
(a) convert the Insurance Policy into a paid up one when the credit in his
Provident Fund on account of his share becomes inadequate for the payment
of any premium;
http://www.epfindia.gov.in 58(b) pay late fee and interest out of the member’s own contribution in his
Provident Fund Account, if any premium cannot be remitted to the Life
Insurance Corporation in time because of delay in sending to the
Commissioner the policy duly assigned to the Central Board or any other
reasons for which the member or his employer may be responsible.

Did you have any case related to this .

http://www.epfindia.com/EPFScheme.pdf

Posted on April 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes, he can still get it . but some work needs to be done .

First he needs to file a RTI to EPFO , telling husband name and company name and also attach the joining letter etc .and ask them what is the EPF account number
Then file a withdraw request through legal heir !

Posted on April 12th, 2013

Boby says:

They informed that it is credited to the 2nd co’s PF A/c..But still not reflecting in their Website….it is about a month now after they replied to RTI!!!!

Posted on April 16th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

You got this info through RTI ?

Posted on April 19th, 2013

Boby says:

Yes…. I got this info thru RTI…

Posted on April 19th, 2013

Ankush Goel says:

Hi Manish,

I filed RTI applications for the PF transfer request initiated about 2 years back to the source PF office which is Gurgaon PF office in my case as well as the destination PF office which is Delhi in my case. I used the template mentioned in your template.

It’s been 33 days since I filed RTIs and there are no response yet and I know there is provision to reach to First Appealatte authority. Can you help me with the process for that and if there is any template which I could follow?
Any other thing which I need to do?

Regards,
Ankush Goel

Posted on April 26th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Hi Ankush

I suggest wait for some more days .. While the official time line is 30 days . At times the delays happen . I myself waited for one of the RTI replies and it came to me after 55 days . While its not the right things , nothing wrong to wait for few more days from practical point of view.

Posted on April 26th, 2013

Ankush Goel says:

Thanks Manish. will wait for few more weeks.

Posted on April 26th, 2013

ANAGHA says:

Hi Manish ,

This site came as a relief to me since i am struggling to get any solution for my much delayed PF transfer .

My pf transfer cheque got returned back as per Delhi EPFO.I filed a grievance. Following was their response :

Dear Sir/Madam, This is with reference to your Grievance registered vide Registration Number DELSO/E/2012/xxxx . It is informed that your grievance is being treated as non-actionable due to the following reason(s): Cheque no. xxx dated 22.08.2012 amounting for Rs. xxxx has been returned to the this office unpaid. Now you are requested to submit an application for re-transfer the same. You are also requested to mention correct payee name and address in the application. Therefore, we are closing your grievance from this office.

When i sent the ASR and FORM 13 again my claim got rejected citing foll reason:

Claim form 13 for transfer to new account member against old member account number has been rejected . Rejection form has been dispatched.

Should i file RTI or should i catch hold of my new company or should i freshly apply for withdrawal.

Regards

Posted on April 29th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Better to restart fresh with a RTI mentioning all the queries you have !

Posted on May 6th, 2013

Arun Jayant says:

Filed RTI, got reply. They have received the cheque from my previous employer on 2/12/2008. And they have done the interest calculation from Dec 2008 to 31/3/2012. Also they said that the “exact date of credit” of amount from previous employer to my account is 5/3/2013. If they have credited the amount on 5/3/2013, shouldn’t they also account for the interest from April 2012 to 5/3/2013?

Am I missing something here?
Manish, have you come across simliar cases where they have done a half baked job? Any idea how to get this problem solved?

Posted on May 8th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

If you feel its unjustified, then better file one more RTI and ask for the rules and what happens to the interest part now . Tell them you will go to banking ombudsman is required

Posted on May 10th, 2013

Ravindra jaladanki says:

Hi Manish,
I have worked in one company for 4 years and then i have opted for PF Transfer and joined the 2nd company. I have stayed for 1.3 Years and again shifted the company and opted for PF Transfer. Now i am in the 3rd company and have been there from past 2 Years with bandra Office Mumbai. Now my question is.
Till now my PF has been not transferred to my latest PF Account. Now i am not even able to track if my first company PF amount has been transferred. I tried checking in epfindia site and i am not getting the status/ pf balance. Is it possible for me to withdraw PF from my 1st and 2nd company now?

Posted on May 10th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes, but to get exact info you need to file RTI

Posted on May 18th, 2013

max says:

hi Manish,

I refered your blog and filed RTI for Bandra PF office on 23 March 2013. they received it on 26 March.

till today I have not received the reply. please let me know how to proceed further.

waiting for reply.

max

Posted on May 29th, 2013

Hrishikesh Katti says:

Hi,

I raised a grievance on EPFO site to get the status of my PF Transfer Application. I got response for grievance as below:

A sum of Rs.XXXXX/- has been received as transfer-in in Feb/2013. The same will be credited to member pf a/c. and will reflect in the form 23 slips to be issued for the year 2012-2013 .

Can you please let me know what is Form-23? Is it required to be submitted by employee?

Thanks.
Hrishikesh

Posted on May 30th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

I am not aware of that, but for sure you should file A RTI to find it out and exact status !

Posted on May 31st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Its almost 60+ days . file a First appeal now .

Posted on May 31st, 2013

Hrishikesh Katti says:

Thanks for your response Manish.

I enquired about the Form-23 in my organization. It is the Annual Account Statement which PF office sends to organizations at end of every financial year. Till now, my organization has received Account Statement only for Financial Year 2009-2010. My organization is telling me that they are not aware when they will receive account statements for subsequent years (including year 2012-13) and they cannot follow-up with EPFO.
This is really frustrating for me. Can I detail all this information in RTI application? Also, I wanted to know, if I change my job what will happen to my PF-Account and to PF transfer? Any Idea?

Thanks.

Posted on June 1st, 2013

Shivani says:

Manish,
Mine is a strange case of PF being transferred to someone ele’s account (from Karnataka to Andhra) in 2005. I filed an RTI addressed to the Karnataka EPFO to know the total amount + process of recovery one-and-a-half month ago, but no reply.
I am now contemplating filing the first appeal. Do you have similar guidelines on how to draft & file the 1st and 2nd appeals and the subsequent complaint in case none of these work? Also should I file an RTI appeal and send it to both Karnataka & Andhra EPFOs?
Thanks – Shivani.

Posted on June 5th, 2013

max says:

thanks for replying Manish.
can you please tell me how to do it?

Posted on June 5th, 2013

Tanmoy Batabyal says:

Hi Manish,

Firstly, I am really impressed with the way you have told the aam admi how to use RTI as a tool against EPF Offices. Thanks a lot.

My problem is that I have submitted PF forms twice but both the times they were rejected. Till date, I don’t know the reason of rejection. I have lodged a complaint in PF grievance cell but there is no response. My question is should I send the forms a third time OR file an RTI to know the reason of rejection and then send the forms? Which will be less time consuming since its already more than 1 year and I want to close the issue at the earliest.

Posted on June 7th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Just file the RTI now . You will get a reply in 30 days and mostly if you dont have anything to do , then you should get the money in 1-2 months !

Posted on June 8th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

hmm .. In that case you first find out a first appeal template from Net , very easy to find and address it to the concerned officer, again you will get it from the EPFO website . Tell them that you file RTI letter on which date and if possible the PO number using which you paid the fees.

Posted on June 8th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Find out on net . Its the same thing as RTI . just that you address it to another officer , no difference !

Posted on June 8th, 2013

Lalit says:

I had received an SMS on 23rd May 2013 that my PF withdrawal had been rejected and letter is in under dispatch.
I didn’t receive letter so then I filed grievance.
I received the following answer.
What should I do next? It seems Form 5 needs to be filled by employer.

It is informed that your grievance is being treated as non-actionable due to the following reason(s):
It is informed that the claims have been returned on 23.5.2013 for the reason FORM 5 PARTICULARS NOT AVAILABLE WITH THIS OFFICE

Therefore, we are closing your grievance from this office.Please quote the same in your future correspondence.

Posted on June 9th, 2013

Max says:

Thanks for quick reply Manish.
Actually PF office replied just 15 days after receiving my RTI application but the reply letter was received by my landlord and he gave me that letter on 7 June. Crap…

OK now RTI reply is saying that Rs. 38313 is transferred to my new PF account.
I downloaded the PF ePassbook and it is showing the balance Rs. 47699. (employee share 23923 + employer share 10156 + Pemsion 13620).

I dont understand where is the remaining balance (Rs. 9386).
Is there anything which can explain this deduction?

Thanks in advance.
Max

Posted on June 10th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Thats what you need RTI for , Its very tough for anyone other than EPFO to explain . Ask them this query on mismatch and they should be able to give you the exact calculation , this is the safest/fastest/most accurate way !

Posted on June 14th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

File a RTi and find out what to do next now

Posted on June 14th, 2013

Adarsh Raghuvanshi says:

Thanks for sharing this great information & i have doubt in mind that what is the EDLI fixed Amount ?

Regards,
Adarsh

Posted on June 14th, 2013

Max says:

hi Manish,

Thanks for replying.
Shall I file another RTI application or first appeal?
I read some information about first appeal on website. It says that if applicant is not satisfied with the information provided, he can file first appeal. but somewhere I also read that first appeal should be filed under the 60 days of receiving the RTI reply. I received the RTI reply on 17 April. so by 60 days rule I can file first appeal till 17 June.

is this rule strict?
can I file first appeal on 22 June?

Now I am in big confusion. Please help me to resolve this.

Max

Posted on June 15th, 2013

Ram Pratap says:

Dear Sir/Madam, This is to inform you that I was working with EDP services working from 06-Aug-2012 but we have not received till any salary slip and don’t show pf in online STATUS for Member, My PF account number is GN/GGN/0001215/00C/0001445, maintained at Gurgaon Haryana

Posted on June 15th, 2013

Nitesh V Shah says:

i am working in software company since 9 year, In this 9 year our company has created two different P F account. and also one year of my PF amount deposited in other PF account. So Now my PF amount distributed in 3 PF account. so how can i solved this problem to get or withdrawal my total PF amount .
or can you suggest which way i have to go.

Please reply ASAP because i will discontinue this company.

Posted on June 19th, 2013

Prabhu says:

Hello Manish,

Thanks for this information. My PF withdrawal was rejected and there were no communication from the PF office about the reason of rejection. The status online was showing as rejected without any specific reason.

I tried lot of mechanism for 5 months and nothing worked. Finally I filed an RTI during 1st week of May 2013. To be frank, i was sceptical. To my surprise i received an response from the PF office. Interestingly they answered point by point on all the question that i had.

Thanks!!

Prabhu

Posted on June 19th, 2013

Irshad M Qureshi says:

I Irshad M Qureshi, I was in a company since Sep. 2004 to 3rd July 2012, till date my x employee not settle my account nor send me my reliving letter, and no communication about my pending dues i.e Last month salary / Expanses paper submitted, payment paid to transporter, on behalf of Company / Bonus / Leave encashment / Graduity /PF/Target incentive etc. Total amount upto Rs. 3.50 Lacs. Now how can I claim same amount to the company, no one reply my mails regarding my pending dues, can I case to company, it’s a case of totally harassments, What can I do in this condition, can I apply my PF through company or directly, I required your valuable suggestions, pls help me.

Posted on June 20th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

the best you can now do is first check with EPFO on this using RTI and give a last warning to your employer on policy case against this issue .

Posted on June 21st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yea . Thats what the power of RTI is :)

Posted on June 21st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

How did they create 3 accounts if you have been continuing the same company for 9 yrs ? First clarify with them ? They are all on your name ? If yes, you might need to transfer the other 2 accounts to your latest one ! . Ask the company to help you on that as they goofed up !

Posted on June 21st, 2013

Irshad M Qureshi says:

Dear sir,
Thanking you for your reply. I checked on line my account & found balance in EE/ ER amount, how can I withdraw the amount, and which type of warning give to our x company, pls suggest, (If you have any format, pls forward ) & pls confirm can company stop PF amount at any level. Because he threats me on phone/SMS and no official communication regarding pending dues.

Posted on June 21st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

File a RTI now and it will be solved !

Posted on June 21st, 2013

Irshad M Qureshi says:

Dear sir,

Thanking you for your reply. Pls confirm can RTI against the company, and what about threat regarding stop PF (Can he do that at any level)

Posted on June 21st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Raise a RTI !

Posted on June 22nd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

You can file another RTI asking for questions again and telling that you are not satisfied with reply . If that does not satisfy you, then you should file First appeal

Posted on June 22nd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Where did you read about it ?

Posted on June 22nd, 2013

gracelyne says:

Hi Manish,
Thank you so much for this information.
I contacted the ex-employer (on behalf of a relative) for this issue and filed a grievance in the govt site and this was thier response :
“The Establishment TN/4542 is an exempted Establishment and PF account is maintained by the PF Trust of the Establishment. You are therefore, requested to contact the PF Trust for further action. ”

Does n’t this mean my RTI request would also be shot down? I hope you can help me understand this and suggest a course of action, pls.

Posted on June 26th, 2013

Tanmoy Batabyal says:

Thanx a ton Manish…. I have received the PF amount in flat 7 days of filing the RTI application. RTI is really an excellent weapon in the aam aadmi’s hand. Thanks for making us aware of it. :-)

Posted on June 29th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Woo.. great !

Posted on July 1st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Thats great !

Posted on July 1st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

It will not be covered under RTI , because his PF money is not managed by EPFO , its a private trust !

Posted on July 1st, 2013

Amit Gupta says:

Hi Manish,
Many Many Many (and so many) Thanks for such a great article. I came to know about your site 3 months back in one of the casual discussion in my part time MBA classes and while browsing came across this article.
My PF transfer was pending since Sep 2010 and nothing in the last 2 years worked. Tried PF consultants/agents, Logged online grievance and got a response 9 months back that your complaint did not have enough details. I followed your steps, took the format you mentioned and filed RTI on 23 May, it reached EPFO on 27 May and this weekend, I got a response that now its transferred (on 25-Jun) along with attested copy of ledger extract. Though the site is still not reflecting (as it is not updated till 25-Jun), but I am sure now this is done.
I owe you something for this. My best wishes to you for your good health, wealth, prosperity. Many thanks once again and keep on doing great job.
BTW..I bought one of your book (“How to be your financial planner in 10 steps) recently. Will read that soon.
May God bless You and your loved ones..
Thanks
Amit

Posted on July 3rd, 2013

Shikha Gupta says:

Hello,

I had submitted forms 19 and 10C in April 2013 and yesterday I received a mail from EPFO office stating that the claim has been rejected and the reason given is ‘Claim already submitted’. However, I have never applied for or received any amount of my EPF. Can you please advice as to what should I do?

Regards,
Shikha

Posted on July 4th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

It means that its given to the settlement bank which is SBI in most cases. Better check status through RTI and ask where was it paid ?

Posted on July 5th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Thats great thing Amit . Nice to know that your money is on your way in few days ! . Take care of that money well , it has come after lots of your effort :) . Proud of readers like you .

Let me know if you love my book ! :)

Manish

Posted on July 5th, 2013

Shikha Gupta says:

Thanks Manish. I do not have an account with SBI and I have never requested for PF withdrawal before this. How can then EPFO give the amount to SBI or any other bank. I am not clear on this can you please help.

Also, what should I write in the RTI. Thanks for all your help. I was totally clueless before I stumbled upon your site. Its the most helpful.

-Shikha

Posted on July 5th, 2013

Rajender singh chandel says:

sir,
my problem regarding tax refund not received till date (2012-13) & PAn No. ALGPC2131D.

Posted on July 6th, 2013

sreedhar says:

Hi,
This is regarding the PF Transfer from my previous employer to Current Employer.
I do see the status as below for a long time with some Clam ID at http://epfoservices.in

Claim ID : GNGGNxxxxxxxxxxxx
Status : Your transfer in details for crediting new account has been received and the same is under process.

Please let me know, what does it mean?
How to proceed further?

Please
Thanks,
Sreedhar

Posted on July 8th, 2013

Ranjit Kumar V says:

Hi Manish,
Thanks a lot for all the details mentioned in this blog.
I have followed the procedure and now my complete PF amount along with interest is credited to my SB account.

Actually, my PF amount was missed from records since more than 3 years during transfer from Bangalore to Hyderabad PF accounts.

I had submitted more than 10 online grievences for an year but no use.
After submitting RTI application(with all details attached) as per above template/instructions, within 45days the complete process is completed by hyderabad PF office.

Thanks once again to you and the RTI act also.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Ranjit Kumar V

Posted on July 11th, 2013

Shidhartha says:

Thanks to the tips from this awesome blog, I wrote an RTI application and asked why my PF account was not getting transferred for last 2 years. The job was done in just 2 weeks.

Posted on July 13th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Shidhartha !

Posted on July 15th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to hear that Ranjit !

Posted on July 15th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

It means its almost going to be paid , But I suggest raising a RTI still !

Posted on July 15th, 2013

abhay says:

sir,
i had requested for a withdrawal since i no longer work for that company now i received a rejection mail from EPFO office stating ‘Claim already submitted’. What should i do? i looked at the query #604 above (dated July 4) my case is same. i will file RTI but i dont have an account with SBI so where has the money been transferred.

thanks.

Posted on July 15th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Abhay

File a RTI and ask this in that .

Posted on July 15th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

File RTI !

Posted on July 15th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

SBI is the mediator , they pass on the money to you . Dont worry on that !

Posted on July 15th, 2013

Bunker Guide says:

Does EPFO still issue Annexure-K upon the transfer of EPF / EPS to the new employer (target)?

Does the employer at target side receive Annexure-K copy?

Posted on July 16th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Not sure on that. To discuss it, please open a thread on our forum – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/

Posted on July 18th, 2013

Suresh Babu says:

Sir,

Your website did help me to file an RTI in EPF regarding the closure of my EPF account which they have been rejected previously. But the RTI reply that I got from the EPF office is not satisfactory and they have not replied my one question which is “whether it is possible to close my EPF account without approaching the previous employer” (which I do believe will take a lot of time because I have got clear evidence that the EPF clerks and the company accountant are hand in glove) I would like to hear from you regarding this and I am planning to send another RTI to the Appellate Authority within in this week itself. Thank you.

Posted on July 29th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Suresh

That topic is already discussed over here – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2012/11/withdraw-your-epf-without-employer-signature.html

Posted on July 29th, 2013

Fathima Riswana says:

Hello,

My PF is transferred from my previous employer to RPFC Bandra office 2 years back and I am still waiting for the amount to be transferred to my current PF account. I want to file RTI. Whom should I address the letter to? Is that Central Public Information Officer (CPIO),
Office of Provident Fund Commissioner,
Employees Provident Fund Organisation
or
to someone in RPFC office?

Posted on July 30th, 2013

Anonymous says:

I have worked 7 years in one comapany and I am going to jump another company. Withdraw/ Transfer the PF – which is best??
Bcoz, if I completed 1o years, I will be eligible for pension.. will the pension scheme really useful??

Posted on July 31st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Just because you complete 10 yrs does not mean you start getting it . You get it only after you retire.

Better transfer it to new EPF account

Posted on July 31st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

I think you should file a RTI application now on this

Posted on July 31st, 2013

Jatinder says:

After reading this post, I filed RTI application at concerned RPFC to expedite my 3 years long pending PF transfer and they completed the formalities in 9 days and sent me Annexure-K document by speed post. Thanks to jagoinvestor.com for spreading the awareness about RTI.

Posted on August 1st, 2013

GAURAV KUMAR GUPTA says:

sir,
My issue related to EPF is my name spelling has been wrongly entered in my EPF account. I took this matter to my employer, the employer now says that an application has been sent to EPF deptt. for this issue. But my issue is still pending.
It has been more than 1 year. The employer says he cant cant do anything but to write a letter which he has already did. Please guide me in this issue.

thanks

Posted on August 2nd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

File a RTI letter now on this matter.

Posted on August 5th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Great to hear that Jatinder :) . good to know that

Posted on August 5th, 2013

Hemanth Kumar says:

Hi Manish,
Thanks for providing a wonderful article.

I am currently working in Chennai. I had initiated a PF transfer on 04-07-2013 and after waiting for 1 month, I had filed an online grievance on 06-08-2013. From the grievance suggestion page, I can see the officer name and email id. I need some suggestions from you.
1) Whether is it worth to write a mail to his mail id?
2) How long should I need to wait for a response from grievance dept. (I can see “send remainder” option which will become active after 30days. whether I need to try it incase of no reply)
3) How long should I need to wait before filing RTI?

Posted on August 12th, 2013

sreedhar says:

Hurray..it worked out for me.

Got reply on 34th Day. :)

Thanks a lot Manish.

Posted on August 14th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

:)

Posted on August 14th, 2013

prabhakar narvekar says:

My case is similar to this. After delaying for years and raising online grievance i was told that documents were not submitted though i have mail confirmation from my past organization that all docs were submitted and that PF dept does not accept application without all documents. I later submitted all documents again personally after which only 1 part of PF was disbursed. I later raised another online grievance for 2nd part and asking how to get the remaining part, to which again same reason was given(doc not submitted), nothing was mentioned about how to get the 2nd part.

At this point, i cannot get the status of my PF account online. Later I emailed the PF commissioner at zonal and central level asking if they have any process where all documents are acknowledged by PF dept so that such denials cannot be made time and again. I got no reply to my email either.

Please advice what how to phrase a precise RTI application to get my pending PF amount without having to go thru the whole cycle third time again.

Posted on August 21st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Good to know that :)

Posted on August 21st, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

I suggest file a RTI and once its recieved then you should get the reply in another 30-35 days !

Posted on August 21st, 2013

Manjunath Anand says:

Hi Manish,

Thanks a lot for this very informative article which has helped several people having difficulties with their PF transfer/withdrawal.

Regards,
Manjunath Anand

Posted on August 24th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Welcome !

Posted on August 29th, 2013

Biplab Mukherjee says:

Dear Manish,

I must thank you and the blog members for the assistance I received in filing the RTI application for retrieving information on the unsettled PF amount lying with the Regional PF Commissioner Office at Mumbai for 12 years. After 7 RTI applications I have been able to retrieve 60% of the PF accumulations during August ,13. The very help i got through your site is the simple format and procedure you provide to help RTI Applicants.

Thanks
Biplab

Posted on September 15th, 2013

Debasish Mallick says:

Manish, You are a gem !!

Posted on September 16th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Ohh thanks :) . I am glad you appreciated :) .

Posted on September 16th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Great . Thanks for sharing that :) . File more RTI and claim back all the money :)

Posted on September 17th, 2013

Anish says:

Hi Venkat,

Recently I had raised a grievance on a PF transfer request (which i applied almost 3 years back). I had raised the grievance on the target EPFO and the “Source” is a private PF trust.
I received the same reply “Your claim form 13 has been referred to concerned RPFC.” and the grievance is closed.
Please let me know what actions you have taken to resolve the issue.

Thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
Anish

Posted on September 26th, 2013

Amit says:

Manish,

I raised 17 complaints on Pune and Bangalore office for my pending EPF Transfer using online grievance link available on EPFO site. However, it did not help. I had lost all hope.
After reading this article, I raised 3 RTI on both these offices and matter got resolved(although it took almost one year).
Thanks a lot for sharing the template to raise RTI and giving exact steps along with it.

Thanks and Regards
Amit

Posted on September 27th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Use RTI and I am sure it will help you

Posted on September 30th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Why are you not filing RTI ?

Posted on September 30th, 2013

Anish says:

Thanks Manish. I am going to file an RTI.

And several thanks for this excellent article.

Posted on September 30th, 2013

Abhay Nadgir says:

Hi Manish,

Its been one month now, I haven’t got reply for my RTI. How to know the status of RTI?

Thanks,
Abhay Nadgir

Posted on September 30th, 2013

Abhay Nadgir says:

Hi Manish,

I got reply today, and I see that they have transferred only EPF amount and not Pension amount. is there any other form I need to submit to get my pension amount transferred?

Thanks,
Abhay Nadgir

Posted on October 2nd, 2013

jago user says:

Hi Manish,

1. I was working in a private company till Sep 2013 . My EPF
was maintained by the company PF trust.
2. After quitting this job, I am looking out for another new job.
3. How long Will the old company PF trust, keep paying interest ,
until I transfer this amount to new company.

Thanks,
jago user

Posted on October 2nd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

For normal EPF accounts, its 3 yrs , not very sure of self managed trusts, you might want to check on our forum – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/

Posted on October 7th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

You need to fill up another form to withdraw the EPS part

Posted on October 7th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Wait for some more time, at times it gets late by some days !

Posted on October 7th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Welcome !

Posted on October 7th, 2013

apu aich says:

Dear Sir,

This is inform you that i had given a transfer request from RO Kandivali (MH) to RO Bommasandra (KN) but i came to know through EPF Grievance Management System that they have transferred my money to RO Bangalore (invalid Ac. No). Then i have contacted with RO Bangalore, they forwarded my case to RO Bommasandra but RO Bommasandra again reply to saying that i should contact with RO Bangalore/RO Kandivali. So I am confused and decided to file an RTI.
I just want to know that which office will be my target office.

Posted on October 19th, 2013

shweta says:

Hello Manish ,
I have filled an RTI for EPFO chennai . How will I get to know that they have received and action will be taken for it. Also how do they send us the details . Because with that reply I will have to follow up with Bangalore EPFO .

Posted on October 21st, 2013

Tushar says:

Hello Manish,

Thanks for the detail information, if i want to use rtinamtion website to filed my application for PF transfer status which department i should select? kinldy advice.

Thanks
Tushar

Posted on October 23rd, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Please mail them on customer care for this . I am not aware about details of the website . Or you can file RTI from vakilsearch.com also

Posted on October 26th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

You will get the details after 35-40 days of them receiving the letter. Once that time passes, if you do not get the acknowledgement , then please let us know !

Posted on October 26th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

First target the RTI to the source (MH) and ask your questions .

Posted on October 26th, 2013

Honey Malviya says:

Hello.

By good luck I got your site..

I am going to file RTI for my PF withdrawal. I applied for it in Feb 2013 but I dont know the exact date when applied. As I think in such judicial works we need to be specific. So guide me what should I do here.
Is there any online way to know d date when applied.
Thanx alot

Posted on October 28th, 2013

Ashwini says:

Hi,

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation.
I have a query regarding my PF withdrawal. I quit my job in 2009 September since I was going out of India for my studies. I was told to submit the withdrawal forms 90 days after I quit, which I did. I did receive an acknowledgement from my previous employer once they submitted the form to EPF office. But I did not receive any money or details about it, hence raise a grievance in Oct 2011. For which I received a reply from EPF office in July 2012.

They said that my cheques were processed, and sent to the bank, but they were returned, and I had to send a letter for reissuance, attested by my previous employer. I did send the letter in August 2012, which my employer says they submitted.

I raised a grievance again in Jan 2013 since nothing had happened, for which received a reply in Aug saying that my case is pending under EPFIGMS but no record found, and asked me to submit fresh claim again.

Now I am not sure what I am supposed to do. Do i send a reissuance letter again, or do I start the process from the beginning?

Any help would be Appreciated, thanks.

Posted on October 28th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Have you applied it already or going to apply ? Not clear from your reply !

Posted on November 4th, 2013

vineet says:

hi Manish,

Thanks for sharing such an useful information. My PF transfer was pending from a very long time and after going through your article I decided to file an RTI.

My PF transfer is within the same city(Pune). But my old PF was registered in another office(Pimpri) within Pune.

So I filed an RTI at the Pimpri office to know if they have taken any action on my PF trasfer. And within 20 days after i filed the RTI I got a detailed reply from them stating that they have started the transfer process and the check has been released to the Pune PF office.

After few days I received an sms from EPFO stating that the Pune office has received my application for transfer. and in another few days I got an another sms stating that “Form 50(Transfer in) claim id: pun XXXXX rejected. Rejection letter is under dispatch”.

I haven’t received any rejection letter yet. So I am planning to file an RTI at the Pune office. My question to you is do I need to attach the RTI letter I received from Pimpri office while submitting the application. and what else things should i ask them ?

Posted on November 5th, 2013

Navin Sakurikar says:

I had applied for the PF transfer from Bangalore office to Pune office. The transfer took place in 2007. However Pune office is not able to enter the transfer in their records because Pune office didn’t receive Annexure K which is required to complete the PF transfer.
I have raised so many grievances against both the offices but didn’t receive any proper respose.
Should I use RTI as weapon to get it done? if yes to whom I should ask information? source or target EPF office?

Posted on November 7th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

All you need to do is File a RTI to Pune office and mention all the details . If something was not recieved , they will act on it !

Ask for deadlines

Manish

Posted on November 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Nice .. Another RTI success story !

All you need to do is give reference number of the past RTI (you have that reference number on top of the letter) . To be on safer side you can actually attach the Xerox letter also . It will not hurt anyways . Just make sure you do not leave this matter now and finally take all the actions .I am very sure your EPF will be in your hands very soon :)

ANd you can give me party also , I am in pune only :)

Manish

Posted on November 12th, 2013

Tarun Aggarwal says:

Hi,

My Wife was with Amdocs, Pune. In March 2007, we got married and after in May she resigned from there and joined TCS, Noida. After marriage, she acquired my surname and all the documents were updated with the same.

She applied for the transfer of PF through TCS, many times, but got rejected due to the name change. We even attached the copy of the marriage certificate and an application stating the reason of name change but to no avail.

Recently I came to know about the online transfer of account and ePassbook facility. I registered over there but it does not generate the passbook stating the reason as ‘In-operative member’. It also tells me to contact the EPFO Office.

Please guide us how to proceed form here. As we are living in Delhi, do we need to visit EPFO office, Pune? Can we visit any EPFO office in Delhi for this In-operative member problem?

Please help.

Thanks,
Tarun

Posted on November 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Hi Tarun

The best I can say is File a RTI now to Pune office and ask them “the procedure in case of name change due to marriage” . Once you get the reply do what they say . Follow RTI and its usage and I am sure in some months only you will get the money in your account. I know its a bit tough to crack this EPF thing and it sucks your blood, but RTI is the best thing at the moment

Posted on November 14th, 2013

Mastan says:

Hi Manish:

I worked for an organization for 5 months and due to some personal relocation reason I need to leave the organization, but the employer is unhappy with this decision and in turn asking me to pay a sum of money as compensation. Now he has also mentioned he is not going to clear PF if this money is not paid to them. Is there any way wherein I can claim my PF directly from PF office instead going through employer as I know that PF is already deposited to PF office account.

Please help with your advise

Posted on November 14th, 2013

sanjay shukla says:

dear manish,
it is to inform you that i work for wyeth ltd since feb 1996. the company was taken over by pfizer ltd in march 2010 and the jobs were transfered to plizer ltd. after the job transferes the pfizer had send the forms for the transfer of p f. as soon as we recieve the forms i sign it and send it back to the company H.R. BUT THE P .F. is not transfered till date.please note that the pfizer ltd has a P F TRUST. since i had not contributed to old p f please let me know wheather i am getting the interest or not. as per my knowledge no interest will be paid after 3 years, also please let me know wheather the interest for march 2013 will be paid to me or not.
please help
thanks

Posted on November 15th, 2013

shikha says:

Hi Manish,

With reference to my query number 609 on http://www.jagoinvestor.com on July 04, 2013, I have drafted the RTI application. Please let me know if this is all i need to ask in RTI or am I missing something?
“I received a mail from EPFO stating the reason for rejection as ‘Claim already settled’. I would like to know the following things:
1. Please tell me the status of my application. The reason for rejection of my application is mentioned as ‘claim already settled’. If the claim has been settled, where was it paid?
2. Please let me know the current balance in my account and if the interest is accruing or not.
3. Please tell the contact details of concerned person/office with addresses, phone numbers and email addresses and timings of the bank where my claim has been settled.
4. Please tell me the procedure to withdraw my money from the settlement bank if the claim has been settled there.
4. Please provide details of First Appellate Authority under RTI Act 2005 with detailed postal and email address etc. for this RTI application.

Thanks!

Posted on November 28th, 2013

Amba Bisht says:

Hi Manish,
I want to know one thing, In my case transfer of PF (employee and employer share) has been settled against form 13, but pension fund was not.
When I filed RTI to know the reason, it was stated that transfer occurred between two un-exempted establishment so question of EPS transfer does not arise.
Please tell me that weather this amount can be claimed or not?

Posted on November 28th, 2013

Ashish Shah says:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BBojfRtsagrVyLqTy9dC8Ia1h4letC-h0tNwzfNdF2I/edit

While filling RTI application Online for PF transfer which Ministry/Department/Apex body to be selected?

Posted on December 1st, 2013

Shikha says:

Hello,

I have received a mail from PF office stating that my amount has been transferred to CECIS PF Trust and EPS has been transferred to RPFC Bhawan. How can I claim that amount?
Thanks.

Posted on December 5th, 2013

Munish Ratanpal says:

Hi Manish,

thanks for the detailed information.
I changed companies within Bangalore five years back, and PF money has still not been transferred from old PF account to new one.
the old PF account was with Sub Regional Office on Hosur Road, Bangalore. the new PF account is with Regional office on Bhavishyanidhi Bhavan, Bangalore.
a year back, i filed a withdrawal claim at the SRO which was rejected, as they claimed that money had already been transferred to new account!
Needless to say, the new PF account shows no trace of the transfer.
I have already filed an online grievance at http://epfigms.gov.in/, if this doesnt work i will file an RTI.

as the transfer is within Bangalore, do you think i need to file two RTIs – one at the SRO and one at the RO? or a single one filed at RO would be sufficient?

Thanks,
Munish

Posted on December 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

If the EPFO branch changes, then yes you need to file two different RTI’s !

Manish

Posted on December 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

I think only RTI use will help you . That is the fastest way !

Posted on December 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

You have to choose EPFO

Posted on December 12th, 2013

Munish Ratanpal says:

Thanks Manish.

I chanced upon one more resource – the Directorate of Public Grievances (http://www.dpg.gov.in) which helps to resolve grievances related to Central Govt. organizations including EPF.
They also have a link to testimonials from people helped by DPG (http://dpg.gov.in/Complainants_view.aspx).
This may also be worth a shot, anyway first i will wait for a response for the complaint filed via (http://epfigms.gov.in/).

Regards,
Munish

Posted on December 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Was your a trust managed company ?

Posted on December 12th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Yea . this look good . JUst see if you can make each question more precise !

Posted on December 12th, 2013

Amba Bisht says:

both are directly maintained by EPFO itself, previous account was in Hyderabad and present account is in Karnataka. I suppose that I can download passbook only in case of not maintained by trust. I have both the passbook.

Posted on December 13th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

Read this – http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2012/11/withdraw-your-epf-without-employer-signature.html

Posted on December 14th, 2013

Ashish Shah says:

Correct category for online RTI is Ministry of Labour & Employment.

Posted on December 16th, 2013

Venkatesh Dadge says:

Dear Manish,

Thanks for this information you shared here.
I would really appreciate if you help me out .

a) I used work at A. 2008-2010
b) Joined B(2010-2-2012). Opted for PF transfer.
c) Never bothered about status of transfer.
d) Now work at C. Before leaving B, I received some signed acknowledgement saying they received cheque from A and is submitted
e) But that amount never reflected in PF acc of B.
f) RTI filed for B says there was no transfer application received.

I am not sure how to get my money from A and B.

Really appreciate for any any info you provide

Thanks.

Posted on December 24th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

It means that the transfer procedure was never initiated. Now if you have access to company A , ask them for help, else you will have to do that yourself !

Posted on December 25th, 2013

evgiri@gmail.com says:

Hello Manish,
Please clarify, since the company I was working got acquired and the PF was tranferred from bangalore to Mumbai. Had submitted the form through company. After few years came to know that the transfer had not happened, by online chequebook of EPF. Raised a grieviance at Mumbai EPF and it was closed that the transfer had not happened from bangalore. Then raised a grievance with Bangalore and response was the cheque was returned from Mumbai. My account has become dormant without interest. Confused what to do next. Please clarify on raising the RTI on both Mumbai and Bangalore EPF.
Thanks, Giri

Posted on December 25th, 2013

Manish Chauhan says:

The first thing is to raise a RTI letter to your SOURCE (bangalore) and ask if the transfer has happened or not . and if not, what is the status, what needs to be done .

Then do what they say . If they say transfer has happened from their side, then file RTI to Mumbai asking what is the status !

Posted on December 28th, 2013

Giri says:

Thanks Manish, for your feedback. Have filed an RTI with the Source PF office.
Waiting for the RTI response.

Posted on January 5th, 2014

Raghav K V K says:

Hello Manish,

I am from Hyderabad.

I had submitted the necessary forms for PF withdrawal (10c & 19) at my previously worked organization (Capgemini India Pvt. Ltd.) in June, 2013.

But till date, I had not received my PF. Upon contacting the capgemini office, they have given me a proof of forwarding my pf withdrawal request to the concerned EPFO office at Pune (though i worked at hyderabad, the pf account was maintained at pune). I had tried to contact the epfo office, but in vain.

Now, I intend to file a case against epfo regarding the same in the concerned court.
Can you please guide me on how to go about in this matter? (Or is there any better solution?) Does filing RTI help my case?

If I have to go via court, I wish to know to which court and where I have to approach and what is the process, and etc.. details.

Thanks in advance,
Raghav.

Posted on January 8th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

You can always move to CONSUMER COURT , but before that you must have contacted EPFO department for this, else your court case will not be valid. I can see that you can solve this case of yours easily with help of RTI , just keep patience and file a simple RTI asking for your status from Pune EPFO department . Give them all the details . also attach the xerox of proof which your company has given . Wait for 30-40 days after filing and you should get this moving !

Posted on January 9th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Wait for 35-40 day !

Posted on January 9th, 2014

Raghav K V K says:

Thank you very much for your valuable guidance Manish…I shall file an RTI and then await the reply.

Between, I have gone through the process of filing the RTI.. Its of immense help.
But I have just got one doubt!

In my case, the EPFO office at Pune where my PF account is maintained and the EPFO office at Pune where the RTI officer or CAPIO/CPIO are situated are at different locations (in same Pune) [I have got the address of CPIO from EPFO website and the PF account office address was given by my erstwhile organization].

So, to which address should I send the RTI and on which name & address I have to draw the IPO?

Posted on January 9th, 2014

loki says:

Manish,

Its an eye opener article and a great contribution to the employee community.

Thanks for posting this.

I think almost all employees are least bothered about the PF at the time of employment but will start bothering when it becomes needy in the future.

So, by going through article, I just learnt that I couldn’t opt out PF in first case
and also I couldn’t obtain pension scheme certificate for transferring the same from old to new in two different companies and as a result 6 years * 541 rupees is lost now.

I have question here, almost every article talks about withdrawal of PF money after changing a job is illegal if and only if the joining company has Gov PF facility as with latter one or otherwise we should atleast wait for minimum of 2 months to become eligible to withdraw or in the event of job lost situations.

I have withdrawn the PF only once by breaking the above rule but people didn’t ask me to provide any supporting documents for withdrawing the same. But there was a reason for withdrawal was mentioned for construction of the house.

Do we have any authentic link which can detail it out regarding the same from PF website for breaking the rules?

Now, I am planning to withdraw the PF again as I have spent 9.5 years in two different organisations and total money is coming upto 17Lakh including EPS. Now, I want to construct a house for which looking to withdraw the same and as per your article or a discussion forum, you said that

The maximum amount you can avail of is 36 times your wages

36* monthly basic salary(55000) and currently it exceeds my PF amount balance itself.

I believe, by this caluculation, I am eligible to withdraw amount in full as balance is below the given the math despite of company as well.

If I quote a reason as construction and withdraw the PF money in full with the standard procedures by submitting EPF and EPS forms, would that be fine or should I need to follow different procedure altogether here. I may get new PF account with new company so not sure what to do please suggest?

Posted on January 10th, 2014

Ramesh says:

Hi Manish,
I raised a request to transfer EPF from old (Hyd) to current (Bangalore) employer. As per EPFO website status (when I give old EPF number) , money and annexure K is transferred thru NEFT.
When I contacted my new employer, they are saying they have not received Annexure K for this transfer.
Please note that New employer maintain PF with Trust and not with EPF office.

Please let me know if RTI can help me here? Do I need to file 2 RTI?
thanks
Ramesh

Posted on January 10th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

You can surely file RTI to EPFO office, but I dont think that you can do it with Trust !

Posted on January 14th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

You can quote the reason as construction of the house and I think you will have to also provide some details and documents other wise you can use it for some other purpose . Also I think you should file a RTI to EPFO and ask these things as it will then be WHITE info .

Posted on January 14th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Where the CPIO sits ! .. Dont worry much , file it and it will travel back to the right place.just that it will take more time !

Posted on January 14th, 2014

krishna says:

sir,
i have received my pf frm company side but i am not get govt side so plz tel me who can i contact sir

Posted on January 18th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

I am not sure what you mean by “govt side” , there is no side in this matter, EPFO is govt !

Posted on January 20th, 2014

Ramesh says:

Hi Manish,
thanks for your response. I had earlier raised a grivence with Hyd EPFO office asking for Annexure K copy either to my email address or postal address. They sent me that in email and my current employer accepted it hence I did not have to file RTI.
regards
Ramesh

Posted on January 25th, 2014

manoj says:

Hi Manish,

Thanks for taking pains for this wondergul article….& most importantly replying for each query….

Recently i applied for PF transfer from past emplyer ( pune ) to present employer ( chennai)…I initiated online trasfer process (OTCP)… Initially it worked very fast ..

My both the employer approved the form 13 ( online ) about my particulars…
Then after few days …status was updated with comment from PF ofice…your form-13 is approved & payment under process….i was extremely happy…

But suddently yesterday i found my application rejected with below reson ( no reason )…..I did googling & found there are many people whose PF transfer application rejected similar fashion…..

Now I doubt whether it is some bug or real reason for rejecting the PF transfer ….Any how i already filed my grievance with EPFO pune ( online portal )…

Can you put your thoughts in this direction ?? is it bug in their portal or there could be real reson to reject PF transfer application….my doubt is once pf status was application was approved & payment under way how suddently it got rejected..

This is what online status shows….
=============
Current Status :Claim Form 13 for Transfer to New Account Number: AGAINST Old Member Account has been rejected. Rejection letter is under dispatch/ dispatched to address in your claim.
Reason of rejection: The reason of rejection is not available in database. You may please contact RO/SRO PUNE for further details
============
Any feed back from you in this regard would be highly appreciated….

Thanks,
Manoj

Posted on January 28th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

I think the best way you can find the status is file the RTI for this . File it to Pune office asking for the status of EPF transfer and why it was rejected ?

Posted on January 30th, 2014

manoj says:

Hi manish…

It seems there is some problem/bug in EPFO system…..because i confirmed ….my PF got transferred …but still online shows it got rejected….

I got the confirmation from my present employer about transfer….also it got clarified through my grievance …i filed with EPFO pune…

Hence i suggest whom ever see such status online…beter get in touch with your present employer & file grievance with EPFO to get clarified…

Thanks, Manoj

Posted on January 31st, 2014

Muthu Krishnan V says:

I was tasked by my manager to sort out a PF issue of a colleague. He was struggling to get his PF money transferred to our company account and company finance guys were not of much help. I simply forwarded the link to this article to him and asked him to file RTI. He read through the article filed RTI without my assistance and lo and behold, the money was transferred in a couple of months and his issue is resolved.

Posted on January 31st, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Wow .. thats a great news ! . I am honoured !

Posted on February 1st, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks for the update ! , you know how govt websites and systems work !

Posted on February 1st, 2014

Rajashekara j says:

Hi sir

my friend have worked at one of the company in Bangalore branch , this company basically Mumbai & head office also in mumbai . 3 months back submitted the PF claim form to this company HR team, still not received the PF amount, as we have checked in online EPF office, as they have told still not submitted you PF claim form to PF office & also checked with HR team they have told still 6 month it will take to clear the PF claim due to our establishment PF office is in MUMBAI

so how can i file the RTI againest this issue, please help

regards,
Rajashekara

Posted on February 4th, 2014

sandip says:

Hi Manish,
I have sent the pf withdrawal application 3 times, for first time (2006)it got rejected because employer had not signed the formes, sencod (in 2007) and third time (in 2012), but it got rejected with the reason saying that PF already withdrawal
So filed RTI and last week I got the reply for RTI application.
Due to some tecnhical issue this issue was occured and now they have corrected it. They are saying to reapply with forms and affidavit but now they will pay the same ammount which was the balance during 2007. They haven’t mentioned about paying the interest (from 2007 till date). In this was can we do to get the last 6/7 years interest?

Thanks,
Sandip

Posted on February 10th, 2014

evgiri@gmail.com says:

Hello Manish,
Please clarify.
Had submitted RTI on Jan31.
Till date have not received any letter or mail communication.
What needs to be done next?
How do we find the status of the RTI.
Thanks,
Girish

Posted on February 14th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Go slow on it. Its just 15 days . You should wait for around 45-50 days in total

Posted on February 14th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Is it inactive account ? If its inactive, then its not liable to get interest from the period it become inactive. BUt otherwise you should get the interest. You should reach to consumer court on this matter

Posted on February 14th, 2014

Sandip says:

On govt pf site I was not able to see my account, it was giving me invalid account. I belive they had closed my account under the assumption of pay out. Does it mean that it is inactive account?

Posted on February 14th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes probably. If your EPF account is not getting any contribution of money, then its a INACTIVE account , file RTI now to know more and apply for EPF withdrawal or transfer to your current EPF account

Posted on February 14th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

A company has to submit the EPF forms after 2 months , if they have still not done that , then you should complain to EPFO on this.

Posted on February 14th, 2014

Ganesh says:

Hi Manish,
I am struggling with PF transfer from previous to current employer.
The first application was rejected saying” DOB/DOJ/DOL” not present.

So, I sent another form 13. This time I have the acknowledgement copy given by the EPF office. But, when I raised online grievance to check the status of my PF transfer, the grievance was closed saying no F/13 received and that I should submit a fresh claim.

I have the acknowledgement copy signed by the EPF Office with details of previous and current employer PR accounts. My current employer thinks that I should go ahead and re-initiate the process the third time.

I am quite frustrated with the reasons given by them.
What would be right way to go ahead? Should I file an RTI for second application that got rejected or file third application and then immediately raise an RTI for it?

Thanks in advance for your valuable comments.

PS: – It been 15 months since I moved to new employer.

Posted on February 21st, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Are you following the full procedure and filling up the full form ? I suggest you use RTI as a tool to communicate and ask things from EPFO each time .

Posted on February 21st, 2014

Ganesh says:

I had filled the full Form 13 (Revised) and sent it the first time.
But, I let it go thinking I might have missed some date like DOB/DOJ/DOL.
So, I did not follow up much then.

But, the second time, I am 100% sure as I filled in all the details in form 13 and sent it to my current employer. It stamped it and sent the application to concerned EPF Office. On submission of the same, scanned copy of the acknowledgement copy was provided to me which clearly states that form 13 was submitted to the EPF Office. And, it has even stamp of the EPF office on it.

In spite of all this, my second application was rejected with reason as “This is to inform you that claim F/13 alongwith transfer call memo has not been received. Thanks.”

So, I am not confused as to how can they say no form 13 received when I have the acknowledgement copy. I had even attached the same while raising grievance. But, yet, the reply was what is pasted above.

Posted on February 21st, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

hmm.. ok then this needs to be followed up with RTI only, or if you have access to the PF office personally then visit it. File a RTI mentioning the ACK date and ask them about it .

Posted on February 21st, 2014

Harmony says:

Hi,

I have filed RTI for my PF status (22/02/2014), Paid Rs.150. however this morning when I visit the same website http://www.rtination.com, it says the account is suspended. Any clue?

Thanks,

Harmony

Posted on February 23rd, 2014

Harmony says:

Hi Manish,

Just a question, can Ganesh take this issue to consumer court? Would it be any favourable for him?

Posted on February 23rd, 2014

Harmony says:

Thanks Munish.

I have lodge a grievance at (http://www.dpg.gov.in) today. Hopefully I’d hear from them soon.
Was your complaint handled to your satisfaction?

Posted on February 25th, 2014

evgiri says:

Hello Manish,
Had filed the RTI on 5th Jan 2014. The transfer has not yet happened. Checked the balance and there is no info on this transfer.
Please clarify regarding how to check the status of this RTI.
Thanks,
Girish

Posted on February 27th, 2014

Harmony says:

Thanks Manish for guiding us through this Portal. This is truly informative.

I have received an email from rtination.com, they have drafted few questions on my behalf and addressed it to The Public Information Officer
Regional Provident Fund Commissioner II.

Thanks you for your help!

This will be helpful for readers seeking help regarding their PF withdrawal issues. Read on!

1) What is the current status of my application for PF Withdrawal for my PF Account No.: MH / ***** / *****
2) What is the EPF Balance amount in my PF account no. MH / ***** / *****
3) By when will I get the PF amount credited to my savings account as mentioned in the form?
4) What will happen to the interest on the amount in question for the period after (for eg: 20 Nov 2013)?
5) Please provide the name and the contact number of the officer to whom my request has been assigned?
6) Please inform me period prescribed by your office for full settlement of P.F. dues of the employee and action prescribed for not settling claim in prescribed time limit.
7) I am intimated details of First Appellate Authority under RTI Act 2005 with detailed postal and email address etc.

Good work by them. Thanks!

Posted on February 28th, 2014

Harmony says:

It would be too early to say that I have not received any reply from Directorate of Public Grievances (http://www.dpg.gov.in).
I have initiated another grievance with EPFIGMS at (http://epfigms.gov.in/)

Posted on March 1st, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

If required you should also file a RTI application which will speed up your request

Posted on March 2nd, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Its around 55 days now .. I think wait for 10 more days and if you dont get any reply from RTI , then refile a RTI mentioning about the first RTI

Posted on March 2nd, 2014

evgiri says:

Ok. Thanks a lot Manish.
Girish

Posted on March 2nd, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes he can take that, But let that be the last resort !

Posted on March 3rd, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

I have no idea on that !

Posted on March 3rd, 2014

Harmony says:

The Website is working now!

Posted on March 3rd, 2014

Nilesh says:

Hello Manish,
I will be going to file the RTI for the PF transfer delay.
As gone thru this blog, I understand that I need to pay the application fees. i.e. 10 or 50 depending on state. (I am in Maharashtra and want to transfer from Mumbai to pune).
As per my information, There is additional fees for rs. 2/- per page for the information. how to pay this fees?. I am worried that I wiil pay rs. 10 as postal order and if they found that information is of 20 pages, then fees will be rs. 50/- (application rs 10/- and xerox/print per page =20 X 2 =rs.40/-) please help me. how I know that how meany pages information is? and how to pay it inadvance?

Posted on March 3rd, 2014

Harmony says:

I have received an email from gms@epfindia.gov.in today regarding the grievance filed at EPFIGMS at http://epfigms.gov.in/ They state that they have received my claim form and the amount is settled today and they would be sending both the cheques (PF and EPS) to my bank.

This was faster than RTI.

Thank you Munish and Manish. Bless you!

Posted on March 4th, 2014

Harmony says:

I received an email from gms@epfindia.gov.in today regarding the grievance that I filed at EPFIGMS at http://epfigms.gov.in/ They state that they have received my claim form and the amount is settled today and they would be sending both the cheques (PF and EPS) to my Bank.

This was faster than RTI.

Thank you Manish. I really appreciate this blog initiated by you. It is wonderful. Nahi to mera office-office hone walla tha. :)
Bless you!

Posted on March 4th, 2014

Nilesh says:

I tried ti file the griviance on the said website. but it gives the errors of establishment code and name. and repetadely asking for the same information even if i had provided it correctly. please guide me to file the griviance.

Posted on March 5th, 2014

Harmony says:

Finally. I have received the money today!!!!!!!

Posted on March 5th, 2014

Harmony says:

Finally, I have received the money today!!!!!!!

Posted on March 5th, 2014

Harmony says:

Hi Nilesh,

Initially I had the same difficulty. Try this

In the Grievance Registration form select
State Code first, then type the name of the Name of Establishment (Your Office Name) and hit Tab again then add the Establishment code and your Account Number hit tab once more. it will fetch the rest of the details by itself.

All the best buddy.

Posted on March 5th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks for helping other members on jagoinvestor . really appreciate it :)

Posted on March 12th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Nice ! m congrats !

Posted on March 12th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

I am actually not aware of the answer .

But I think you can pay the fees right away itself . And in the RTI letter itself, tell them that you have paid the required fees in advance .. In worst case you will loose the money , but thats fine :)

Posted on March 12th, 2014

srinivasan says:

hai manish i have got my epf money 24 hours. thank u manish. i was file an rti after 6 hours back epf rti officer send massage and phone ha said we are not received your form .i told sir i was send my application 23.10.13 but my employer was not send my application.after half hour my calling me he is told you wrongley enter your date of birth he is telling he take and gone to be my app.after 24 hour epf office credit with money on my bamk account

Posted on March 25th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Wow .. thats amazing :) .. congrats !

Posted on March 26th, 2014

kavitha meesala says:

Its been more than 10 days i have filed RTI to Bandra PF Office along with the proof that they received my application. , but no reply till now..
would like to know any other alternative solution to get the amt ASAP.
Plz help me out Manish

Posted on April 4th, 2014

kavithameesala says:

hey manish,…thanks an infinity…i got the amt just now under ur assistance through
RTI process….am so grateful to you……..keep up ur good n needful work for all those needy people……..

thank u friend

Posted on April 4th, 2014

Nilesh Bakshe says:

above PF cheque deposite is from TATA trust to pune PF office

Posted on April 8th, 2014

Nilesh Bakshe says:

Hello All,
Good news and experience…
I have filed the RTI for PF cheque deposite on 13th march 2014. I received feedback from PF office on 2nd April 2014. they says your amount is received to PF office but not credited to your current account because of “you have not submited Annexure K”. Thay are informing this to me when I have filed RTI and asked for transfer status. This amount is credited to this PF office in August 2014 (As stated in RTI feedback). so why not they informed me earlier? my question is whether this Annexure K is necessery for amount transfer to current PF account or ther are just giving excuses.(As my HR feels so)
Finally thanks to Manish sir for valuable information regarding RTI in this forum.

Posted on April 8th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Thanks for sharing that Nilesh ! .. great that you got this sorted out !

Posted on April 10th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Question ?

Posted on April 10th, 2014

nilesh says:

My question is, whether the Annexure K is necessery for amount transfer to current PF account from Private trust or PF office is just giving excuses.

Posted on April 10th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Welcome :) .. just help someone else who needs this and you will do your bit :)

Posted on April 10th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

I guess you got the money already :)

Posted on April 10th, 2014

Dhiraj says:

Can I submit, PF tranfer form without attestation of current or previous employer. DO PF office send that form to my previous employer for atatestation.

Posted on April 19th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Yes, they will send it to your previous employer for signatures. you dont have to do it !

Posted on April 21st, 2014

Dhiraj says:

Thanks. I have send filled transfer forms without attestation to concerned PF office. Both companies i.e. present and earlier comes under same PF office. However nothing happened in last two months.

Posted on April 22nd, 2014

Anand says:

Hi Manish

I have applied to transfer my PF balance to new employer in Dec’12, My new company PF is maintained by our own PF trust

When I checked the status online it showed the status as “Approved, payment under process” till Dec’13. after that its not showing any status. So I raised a online grievance, last month,

They replied to my grievance saying amount was transferred to new PF account in Feb’13 itself, they mentioned the cheque number also

But when I checked with my Hr team they confirmed that they have not received any cheque.

then I again raised a grievance and mentioned about our HR team comments

I got the same reply from PF office, but this time they sent me the Annexure K, I forwarded annexure K to our Hr team, but they again said the amount was not received.

So I raised third grievance asking proof of delivery of cheque & also asking them check the status of the cheque, but I didn’t get any reply for more then 20days.

can you advise me the what I have to now? shall I go for RTI?

Posted on April 23rd, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

All you need to do now if file a RTI and follow up .. This will speed up the whole process

Posted on April 30th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

File RTI !

Posted on April 30th, 2014

Ankit Vaish says:

Hi Manish,

My previous company had a PF trust instead of govt. PF account from which I resigned in Nov 2010 and applied for a transfer in July 2011 into my current PF account with my current company that has a govt. PF account.
I have been waiting for more than 3 years now and continuous follow ups have been taken place with my old company. They provided me the Annexure K and their bank statement which correctly reflects that they have released the amount via cheque in Sep 2012 which has already debited from their account. However, when I checked the PF balance online and also downloaded the passbook updated till 28 Mar 2014, I don’t see that amount into my current PF statement/passbook.

Finally, I filed an RTI application to PF department on 28 March 2014, for which I received a hard copy of a letter at my address few days back stating that it has been sent to the relevant authority.

It has already been more than 30 days since I filed this RTI. Could you please give me some idea as to how do I know if I will get some positive response or any response at all as to know what is going on. Its such a pain!!

Posted on May 1st, 2014

MAMTA MEHTA says:

hi Manish.

My pf amount is not settled from around 2 yrs.and whenever i check the status online.it show your amount has settled and contact to epfo office..please help me out.what action i have to take related to this.my epf a/c no is…MH/BAN/48417/27005. Mumbai bandra office…..really now i m very frustrated..

Posted on May 1st, 2014

Dhiraj says:

I had filed Grievance on PF website and there reply is as below:

This is to inform you that the claim F/13 has been rejected as it was not attested by the previous or present employer. Hence you are requested to submit the claim F/13 duly filled and attested by the employer or by online. Thanks.

Posted on May 3rd, 2014

Prasenjit De says:

Dear Manish,
As suggested by an expert i would like to file a RTI in the PF office.I have few queries:-
1.It is a very old case of PF withdrawal of nearly 16 years and i was not provided my PF number by the company so far,despite several reminders.Can i still go ahead with the RTI?
2.The company is based Worli,Mumbai and i am based at Dwarks,Delhi.So RTI is to be send to which PF office-Mumbai or Delhi and in which branch?
3.As suggested by many of the posts in your forum,should i first go for the online grievance redressal at the PF website and then followed by RTI in a weeks time?
4.Which one is a better and successful result oriented option-RTI send by Speed Post/Regd Post or through Rtination?

Awaiting your feedback asap.

Regards,

Prasenjit De

Posted on May 3rd, 2014

Prasenjit De says:

Dear Manish,
eagerly awaiting for your reply

Regards,
Prasenjit De

Posted on May 5th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

1. You first need to get the PF number, if you dont have it , you first need to file the RTI to find out your PF number. Tell them your company name old one and ask for PF number

2. Mumbai

3. Yes

4. RTI by Speed post !

Posted on May 7th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

If its possible for you to get it attested by your past employer do it !

Posted on May 7th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Just file a RTI and ask for this . It will settled in 2 months . You can see many people in this comments section who have done it and successfully got it !

Posted on May 7th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Wait for some more time .. at times I have seen RTI replies coming back in 45-50 days ! .. The reply has to come for sure . if it does not come, then let me know again !

Posted on May 7th, 2014

MAMTA MEHTA says:

okkk …but its not clearing on net that what is the Actual Charges of POSTAL for Mumbai Bandra. Please tell me so that i can take further step.

Posted on May 7th, 2014

Ashis says:

Submitted my first ever RTI and that too for PF transfer. Lets see how it works out. Thanks to Manish for sharing this vital information. Hope it works out well.

Posted on May 12th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

I am sure the results will be much better this way compared to online complaints and all .. Wait for 40-50 days and you will get the update

Manish

Posted on May 12th, 2014

Ashis says:

Hi Manish,

Is there a way to track the status of the RTI application which has been delivered to EPFO? Or should I just wait for someone to get back to me over an email or call?

Posted on May 16th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

There is no way .. you will get a reply once they get it and also when they reply back !

Posted on May 18th, 2014

Prasenjit De says:

Dear Manish,
after lot of hue and cry,the company has finally send me PF Number.
1.As suggested by you i tried to do online grivevance at EPFO website.But could not do it was asking for employer Code.I tried my best to locate the employer code but could not.
2.Should i send a hand-written complaint/grievance letter to PF commissioner at PF H.O at Bikaji Cama Place?
3.For filing the RTI what will be the address in favour of? I am stationed at Delhi and the company is based at Worli and corporate office at Nariman Point.In Mumbai,there are 2-3 branches of PF offices.What will be exact correct address to whom the RTI has to be send?.I have already drafted the RTI,only waiting for the address.
4.Can i locate my Account amount online?What is the correct process to check it?Hope RTI helps me to get my PF amount long awaited……….

Awaiting your reply asap.

Regards,
Prasenjit

Posted on May 20th, 2014

Prasenjit De says:

Dear Manish,
after lot of hue and cry,the company has finally send me PF Number.
1.As suggested by you i tried to do online grivevance at EPFO website.But could not do it was asking for employer Code.I tried my best to locate the employer code but could not.
2.Should i send a hand-written complaint/grievance letter to PF commissioner at PF H.O at Bikaji Cama Place?
3.For filing the RTI what will be the address in favour of? I am stationed at Delhi and the company is based at Worli and corporate office at Nariman Point.In Mumbai,there are 2-3 branches of PF offices.What will be exact correct address to whom the RTI has to be send?.I have already drafted the RTI,only waiting for the address.
4.Can i locate my Account amount online?What is the correct process to check it?Hope RTI helps me to get my PF amount long awaited……….
Awaiting your reply asap.
Regards,
Prasenjit

Posted on May 20th, 2014

Ashis says:

As per speed post site, the RTI was delivered on 12th May but I haven’t received any call yet. The waiting game is just killing me.

Posted on May 20th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

You need to wait a lot then .. as per RTI rules, they can take upto 35 days officially from the date they recieve the RTI .. so technically, you should get the reply by mid-june only !

Posted on May 20th, 2014

Prasenjit De says:

Dear Manish,
kindly reply asap,so that i can send the RTI and move the process forward.

Regards,
Prasenjit

Posted on May 20th, 2014

Manmohan says:

Hi Manish,

My case is little complex in comparison to mentioned above. I have been transferred 4 times in group companies by my previous employer. 1st 3 yrs with RSL and then transferred to REL where i spent approx 9 months and 2 Yrs with RCSL and finally to RSL back where i spent close to 8 months new epf account in RSL. When i was in RCSL company initiated bulk EPF transfer of many employee from REL\RSL to RCSL EPF accounts in Aug/Sep of 2012. Though REL & RCSL EPF account were maintained by Dwarka EPFO Office, the amount transferred in six months, But my RSL epf was maintain by Bandra Mumbai Office, which is still not received at Dwarka EPFO as i reply received after filing online grieviance but as per online status of EPFO web old RSL account has been settled. Now i also have filed online Grievance to Bandra Office & online RTI as well a week before to get the status about where the PF lying or gone when it has not been received in RCSL epf account.

Now my questions are:
1. The PF transterred from REL to RCSL was execluding Pension funds what should i do for it should i file RTI or Grievance to PF updated?

2. My RCSL epf account is also inactive now whether the transfer will happen to this account from old RSL account which is not updated till now?

3. Now I had new RSL account with same Bandra Office, can i withdraw it now when there is already a mess with pf transfer with same office.

4. Can i apply to previous employer for PF withdrawal for RCSL and RSL new account PF together (both are at separate epfo). What can i do if old RSL PF not received with withdrawal of RCSL.

I will be very thankful if you or anybody can help on this complex situation.

Posted on May 30th, 2014

Ankit Vaish says:

Hi Manish,

It has been more than 2 months now, but I haven’t got any update on the RTI.
When I check the status online on: https://rtionline.gov.in/request/status.php
it shows the same as it did before:
The registration number is: MLABE/R/2014/60912
My Email Address is: ankitvaish04@gmail.com

Please advice.

Posted on June 2nd, 2014

Ramkumar Manishankar says:

Hi manish

My old PF account was with Chennai RPFO and when I joined my current organisation ( at Delhi ) in 2011, I had applied for a transfer for the PF amount to the new PF account. In this case, incidentally, the erstwhile organisation maintained PF accounts of employees at Chennai RPFO and the new organisation maintained their PF at RPFO, KR Puram, Bangalore.

All the papers were submitted and in due course I checked the EPFO website last year for the old PF number, which showed that the account has been settled. I knew the actual amount transfer might take a while from Chennai to Bangalore and I contacted Bangalore RPFO via phone. After a number of tries, someone picked the phone and when I quoted my old and new PF account numbers, curtly replied – Cheque not yet received. I was aghast.

I contacted Chennai RPFO and thanks and due credit to them, they responded immediately both over phone and mail giving me all relevant documents ( annexure K, HTML screenshot of the transfer details with the NEFT Number, date etc ) . I armed myself with this data and tried reachint KR Puram Office via phone again ( am based out of Delhi ). It has been 2 months now. No one picked the phone at KR Puram Office and no reply to mails. The E passbook downloaded also does not give any status of the old PF amount transfer. I am actually clueless now as to how to ensure amount is credited to my new account ( with interest )

Need your advice as to how can I get this confirmation of the transfer from KR Puram office and how to ensure the old balance also reflects in my new PF account?

Posted on June 3rd, 2014

Abilash says:

@Ramkumar
I am also messed up with a similar problem. I submitted by PF trasfer forms from epfo chennai to epfo bommasandra some 3yrs back. Recently i came to know from epfo bommasandra that the epfo chennai has issued a cheque to epfo bangalore instead of epfo bommasandra, so the transfer is still not processed.

Can you check in the NEFT details if the transfer was made to epfo, K R Puram or epfo, Bangalore. The reason for this messup is recently the epfo, bangalore was bifurcated into many new epfo offices.

Posted on June 10th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

HI Abhilash.. better file the RTI asap on this issue .

Posted on June 10th, 2014

Abilash says:

Hi Manesh,
I have filed griviences and RTI with both epfo. Now chennai epfo has taken up this issue and are following up with epfo bangalore to get the money reversed so that they can transfer to my correct account.
Thanks Manish for your support through this portal. It really helped me a lot.

Posted on June 11th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Welcome :)

Posted on June 11th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

The best thing you can do now is to file a RTI and ask your questions, they will have to reply to them as they are legally bound !

Posted on June 11th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Hi Ankit

You can now file another next RTI again .. it happens at times

Posted on June 11th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

This is a bit complicated one :) .. I think RTI will give you the best answers , wait for it !

Posted on June 11th, 2014

Ramkumar Manishankar says:

Hi Abilash, I checked with Chennai EPFO and they are clear that they have transferred this to EPFO KR Puram, it was a NEFT. Apart from Filing RTI ( which am doing currently ) the Chennai EPFO Staff also suggested a website called as http://epfigms.gov.in/, where grievance can be registered. Am trying that too

Will keep you guys posted on whats happening on both fronts. Thanks!

Posted on June 12th, 2014

Dr E.G Rajan says:

Dear Sir,

I worked in Vasavi College of Engineering, Hyderabad as Professor for 12 years. Now I am 65 year old. During my tenure in that college (1994 – 2006) , I was literally humiliated by the management and I resigned from the job instantly without giving three months notice which was a mutual agreement. Now they are not signing my PF document and I am losing money for almost no fault of mine. The PF authorities say that I should get signature from the college authorities since that college is now existing.

Please advise me what I should do

Best regards,

Prof. Dr. E. G. Rajan

Posted on June 17th, 2014

Raj says:

Hi Manish

Appreciate the step taken by you which is helping so many people with their PF’s

I also require your help, I applied for transfer of my PF amount from previous employer, current employer delayed in processing my request, after 8 months of my request, current employer sent request to previous employer for transfer ( I hold courier details for the same), previous employer sent cheque after another 4 months. When I did my math, cheque amount is short by Rs.26k, previous employer gave reason saying my account classified as “Unclaimed status” for 9 months (delay on account my current employer processing my transfer request) and paying me only 4.00% interest for this period, hence shortage. They have also deducted TDS for the transferred amount. And current employer is saying EPFO will take 6-8 months to credit my current PF account. Kindly let me know below queries

1. When is the PF account classified as “unclaimed status” ? & is reduced interest applicable in such case ?

2. Is TDS applicable for transfer ?

3. What you advise my next step to recover Rs. 26K & to get the amount credited ?

4. Does EPFO take 6-8 months to credit ?

Thanks & Regards
Raj

Posted on June 18th, 2014

Navin says:

Hi Manish,
Thanks for your help. I filed a RTI and got my PF amount transferred within 2 months. Easiest and Cheapest way… :)

Navin

Posted on June 24th, 2014

Ashis says:

It is 30th June and I have not received any reply yet. Any ideas on how to escalate this?

Posted on June 30th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Because your account is too old, I am sure by now its inoperative . The best thing you can do now is file the RTI only . You can find the address of RTI office for Mumbai on PF website .

You can use the same template I have given on this article

Manish

Posted on July 3rd, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Great .. thanks for sharing that !

Posted on July 3rd, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

1. I think if its not active for 3 yrs , only then its inaction , else not

2. I have not heard of it

3. File a RTI with EPFO on this to understand how it works in your case

4. Yes it can happen ..

Posted on July 5th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

There is no such requirement . Even if PF authorities are saying that, its not true .. they might want a bribe from you . Just file a RTI and ask for this so that you have an official answer in your hands !

Manish

Posted on July 5th, 2014

Manish Chauhan says:

Sure ! .. Better check with the target now and show them the reply from the source (Chennai EPFO)

Posted on July 5th, 2014

Ajith says:

hi manish.
me and some of my friends face an issue.
we have a pf account from previous employer.6 years before.we have closed that account while we change the job.
the peevious company is closed now.but we forget the old pf account number.
for background varification new company is asking for old pf number.we cant get any information from previous employer as no one is there.
is it possible to get the closed pf number which we dont know by providing name and previous details through RTI

Posted on July 30th, 2014

Manoj says:

Dear Manish,

Very good information,

Infact i am also awaiting t my PF settlement from past 2 years. Finally i got some part of amount, i think it may be the part of pension fund.
but in the EPFo site is showing that my PF account has been settled and send tghe NEFT transaction on 28/july/2014. but the amount is not credited in my account….

Posted on August 14th, 2014

Hitesh says:

Manish,

Everytime EPFO comes to my mind , I type jagoinvestor.com, this time I came to see about withdrawal which I did last year for the EPF and got the whole amount , yesterday they send Form 10C to my house. And after going thru your blog post I released that its for EPS , as I completed 9 yrs in service they would be providing me Rs.6500×9.88 as my EPS withdrawal amount as per your post http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2012/05/epf-facts-employee-providend-fund.html , point 4. Again if you want me to send you all my RTI request and reply for others who are going thru same pain , I can send u the same and u put it up somewhere for references for our friends who are still in dark about their EPF and how to get it back.

Thanks & Regards
Hitesh Agrawal

Posted on August 20th, 2014