How Chit Fund Works

July 7, 2011 · 118 comments

What are Chit funds and how do Chit funds work ? There are lots of chit funds in india like shriram chit funds , margadarsi chit funds and I would like to show you how chit funds exactly work and what are pros and cons in Chit funds. Over the past many years there has been large scale frauds and scams done by large chit fund companies. However, a lot of people do not understand the working and wonder how chit fund works.

Chit Funds in India

What are Chit Funds & How they work !

Let’s say there are 20 people who come together and form a group. Each one will contribute Rs 1,000 per month and this will continue for next 20 months (equal to number of people in the group). In this group there will be one organiser, who will take the pain of fixing the meetings, collecting money from each other and then doing other procedures.

So each month all these 20 people will meet on a particular day and deposit Rs 1,000 each. That will make a total of Rs 20,000 every month. Now there will be a bid on who will take this money. Naturally there will be few people who are in need of big amount because of some reason like some big expenses, liquidity crunch, business problem, Beti ki Shaadi etc etc … Out of all the people who are in need of money, someone will bid the lowest amount, depending on how desperate he is for this money. The person who bids for lowest amount wins. Suppose out of total 3 people who bid for 18,000, 17,000 and Rs 16,000, the one who bids the lowest will win. In this case it’s the person who has bid Rs 16,000.

There will also be “organiser charges” which are around 5% (standard) of the total amount, so in this case its 5% of Rs 20,000 , which is Rs 1,000. So out of the total 16,000 which this winner was going to get, Rs 1,000 will be deducted and the winner will get only Rs 15,000, Rs 1,000 will be organiser charges and Rs 4,000 is the profit, which will be shared by each and every member (all 20 people), it comes out to be Rs 200 per person, and it will be given back to all 20 members. So here you can see that the main winner took a big loss because of his desperate need of getting the money and others benefitted by it. So each person actually paid just 800, not 1,000 in this case (they got 200 back). Note that when a person takes the money after bidding, he can’t bid from next time, only 19 people will be eligible for bidding.

Now next month the same thing happens and suppose the best bid was Rs 18,000 , then winner will get 17,000 (after deducting the organiser fees) and the rest 2,000 will be divided back to people (Rs 100 each) . So each person is paying effectively Rs 900. This way each month all the people contribute the money, someone takes the money by bidding lowest, organiser gets his charges and the rest money is divided back to members. You will realise that the person who takes the money at the end will get all the money except organiser fee, as there is no one else to bid now. So the person will get around Rs 19,000 in the end, if you try to find out the returns which he got out of the whole deal, it will depend on two things, how much lower bids were each month and the fees paid to organiser, if bids and charges are very low, then a person will make more money at the cost of other situations.

So this is pretty much how a chit fund works, there are various versions of chit funds and how they work , but the idea was to communicate the basic model and how it works.

Trusted and untrusted Chit Funds & Some experience

A big question which is in every one mind is “Should I invest in Chit funds?“. Chit funds are not some investment products in which someone invests! By design you can see that it’s only a support structure for needy people who are unsure of their cash flows or some big expenses coming on the way. It’s only for those who can’t get loans from banks or some lender. In which case chit funds provide that structure where one can take the benefit of it. But beware!  Whenever someone says “Chit funds”, the only thing which comes to the remind is “Fraud”, “Scam” and “Something Fishy” and its true to great extent as there many chit fund companies which come in market and run with the money. The only condition where I feel one can go for it is if all the participants of the chit fund are known to each other properly and there is high level of trust between them. For example, you can do it with your colleagues at office whom you trust and are friends with for long. But if you dont have liquidity issue and can get loan from a bank, then I dont see any need of doing this.

Good experience

In smaller cities, you can see your father, grandfather and even many housewives form these groups with friends with whom they are from last many years. A lot of people on this blog might have experienced how their father used these networks to get huge cash at the time of need. One of the readers Jagadees shared his experience with me on mail

The great advantage for the village people would be availability of immediate funds in the times urgent need. My father would say that he met all his life obligations like his sister’s marriage, his marriage expenses, my grandpa’s medical emergencies, our education expenses were met solely through this type of monthly chit fund investment.

Bad experience

Greed has no limit. What was created for help to each other under a trusted network is now converted as a business and many people have started opening Chit fund shops where they become the main organiser and pocket the organiser fee. Investors have started looking at these chit fund companies from investments point of view and in greed of high returns, they invest their hard earned money with these chit fund companies and at times there are frauds and scams. Even though there is an act for this in law and RBI also regulates the registered chit fund companies, but still you know how easy it is to do frauds and scams in India (don’t forget commonwealth & 2G and 3G and 4G scams, wah !  I am futuristic). Let me share with you a horrible experience how an old man lost his 40 yrs of earning in chit fund

My father-in-law when he retired, without telling any of us he put all his money in a chit fund. nobody knows how much & in which chit fund he deposited. That was the time when a series of chit funds went bust in chennai. Pity the chit fund in which he deposited also went bust. he had a mild heart attack. The pain he underwent other than the heart attack was terrible. He was in an ordinary job & after 40 years of hard work he had earned that money.

More than the loss of the money, it’s the shame, foolishness and the iyalaamai to take any action by us, the government kills.we supported him, but he wanted to be independent even after retirement. that objective was defeated by his shear foolishness. none of us ever asked him anything about it. but every day he must have been repenting for that . (via)

Easy & MicroFinance Tool

Can you believe that as high as 5-10% families are associated with chit funds in South India ? For example – The share of households participating in Chit Funds increased by 9% in Andhra Pradesh, 89% in Delhi, 15% in Tamil Nadu and 4% in Kerala between 2003 and 2006. You can see below graph that shows Kerala having 9%+ penetration in Chit funds which means 1 out of every 10 family is in some chit fund.

Chit Funds in India

Source : IFMR research

As per a report from IFMR on Chit Funds , most of the people in smaller places are attracted to chit funds, because of easy availability of easy credit and simplicity of chit funds. In small places banks are not much interested in lending to poor people and poor people see chit funds as perfect way of getting a loan, though at a high cost. So you can also look at them as microfinance tools. All of south India and Delhi is deeply flooded with chit fund companies (thousands of them) and its reach is much above what you are thinking right now.

Should you invest ?

Overall, chit funds are not recommended unless it’s a person group formed by friends and relatives whom you trust a lot. I don’t think one should put money with chit funds which are not among their social circle. It might make sense for people in smaller cities to look up to them. As the last note, these chit funds are not investment vehicles where you park your hard earned money, So please avoid them unless you want to exactly take that kind of risk.

Please share your personal experiences about chit funds , I am sure all the readers who are from smaller places , they have seen it and for sure there father or grandfather had used chit funds at some point of time to fund a financial goal :) .

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1 Nilesh July 7, 2011 at 8:57 am

Manish again a nice article on chit funds.

I would like to add here about the chit fund my mother used to play with her close friends & family members. Total 12 people are there in the group & everyone contributes 2000 per month in this chit fund. But here there is no organizer fees or bidding. Everyone’s name is written separately on the small piece of paper & then one of the member have to select one of the name. The selected name was eligible for the whole amount to take home. From next time onwards that selected person’s name was deleted from the list.

Here the advantage is that the whole money is distributed equally :-)

Sometimes even with mutual understanding money selected no was circulated among the needy person.

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2 Govind July 7, 2011 at 12:18 pm

Nilesh,

In your case, those who get the money first in the lottery stands to gain, while those who get the money last (i.e., just their principal) has gained nothing in the form of dividend/interest – they would have been better off investing in FDs.

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3 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:34 am

Govind

Yes very true , but chit funds are not for investments , dont look at it from that angle and definatly not when ladies are doing it among themselves just for creating something which can help some needy person .

Manish

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4 Prince Peter February 10, 2012 at 12:06 pm

In FD you cant borrow or break before the term for getting the benefit, but the same time in Chit Fund if any urgency comes you can attend the auction and have the money – still you can have the benefits. This all depends the need of the customers. Money counts the needs. Select the right Companies.

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5 justgrowmymoney February 13, 2012 at 4:13 pm

This is why you have Short term Debt funds in the market where you earn just below FDs and there are no penalties for exit.

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6 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:33 am

Nilesh

Great . This is how the real chit should be , organisor fees will come into picture if there is too much of work is to be done and everyone is shying away from it . so thats the reason organisors fees was there .

Manish

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7 Srinivas July 7, 2011 at 8:59 am

Good post, providing basic info on the instrument(if it can be called so).

The article seems to say that chit is not to be used unless in dire need. I donot fully agree with this. To my knowledge there are many standard organisations whoch run these schemes with a good track record. However, caution is needed when opting for it.

I feel that a mathematical illustration with return comparion will help reader analyse the scheme better.

Thanks.

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8 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:38 am

Srinivas

The reason I said of not investing in chit funds which are outside of trust circle is that those can become highly unstable at times depending on others conditions . Even if chit fund is registered and has some history , I personally dont feel that one should invest in them , because trust and history is many times created deliberately inorder to take in confidence and then run away .

You would agree that all the chit funds which ran away has some history and were registered .

Manish

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9 Srinivas July 8, 2011 at 7:45 am

I tried this(chit) long time ago once. When i calculated for my particular group, the return is no more than 11-15%. As some one rightly pointed out, it varies from group to group.

I read that the bid amout(amount obtained when one bids and gets) is not taxable as there are no gains and all members get less as there is comission(organisation charges). However, organiser has to pay tax on the commission as business income.

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10 Manish Chauhan July 9, 2011 at 6:04 pm

Srinivas , how much was the exact return for you ? How did you calcualate it ? Was it XIRR method

Manish

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11 Amit July 7, 2011 at 9:13 am

Nice article, but basic in nature.. Targeted at explaining the functionality and risks involved. Please provide return calculations as well to make this more rational.

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12 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:42 am

Amit

I didnt some return analysis ,. but did put it in the articles as it might be looked upon as “promotional” . What exactly you want to know . As far as my calcualtions in excel , the returns can range from 0% to 20-30% .

The high returns would come when organisor charges are lower and the people in need bid for as low as 65-70% of the actual money in start and then as months pass by , the margin reduces (80% , 90% , 95% … ) … So unless people dont leave huge margins , these wont give much returns .

But if they do , then there can be really good returns with high risk !

Manish

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13 gowri shanker July 7, 2011 at 9:33 am

good manish
i have never seen anyone writing on this very important issue all these days
thanks

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14 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:42 am

Gowri

Thanks , do you think its important ?

Manish

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15 gowri shanker July 8, 2011 at 8:55 am

yes a great post by you

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16 Abhishek Kadiyala July 7, 2011 at 9:47 am

Hi,
I am a south Indian from Andhra Pradesh.
I can share the fact that my families’ major financial needs were met by putting money in chit fund by my dad (Sis Marriage, education etc…).
There are many well organized chit funds in AP. Margadarshi, Shriram, Kapil to name a few…..
I have been investing in Margadarshi since long time…..Myself and many Andhra people feel safe investing in this chit fund because:
1. The owner of Margadarshi is Mr. Ramojirao…..The director of Enadu new paper, Priya pickles, film city etc. So I don’t feel bankruptcy is possible….
2. If someone wants to take money in a month he has to show some surety…he cant easily take the money..This makes sure that no one is running away with your money.
3. Things are well organized…you get a payment reminder, auction reminder etc. every month. Also the dividend distributed is also shared properly will all the fund members every month.

So I feel that investing in a well organized and reputed chit fund is good.

Thanks.

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17 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:44 am

Abhishek

Thanks for sharing your case . good to see that you are comfortable investing in those chit funds and I am sure many else will agree . But many wont , may be because they dont have that kind of trust which you have .

overall , I hope you put your money from liquidity and emergency point of view and not just to make money .

Manish

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18 Praveen July 11, 2011 at 4:49 pm

Getting duped in chit funds is frequent, but I saw more no of persons losing money in share market then getting duped in chit funds & I know a lot of s/w engineers who also participate in these chit funds in their home towns

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19 Manish Chauhan July 11, 2011 at 7:45 pm

Praveen

I am not sure if the comparision if right . Stock markets do not run away with you money , its a timing issue due to which people loose in stocks . Chit funds can run away . What do you think ?

Manish

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20 ravi thatavarthy July 11, 2011 at 5:49 pm

I have a similar story. My father and mother was able to meet all the major expenditures such as my sister marriage, my education etc by saving in the chit fund companies. One shud go for investing in reputed chit fund companies or known people who are into this business for quite some time. If you are lucky enough, the rate of return is more than 15%.

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21 Manish Chauhan July 11, 2011 at 5:51 pm

Ravi

Thanks for your feedback , can you give us some idea on how the returns turn out to be 15% ?

Manish

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22 Nagarajan Santhan July 7, 2011 at 10:32 am

Hi Manish

Nice article ….

I wish to add one more point.

Normally the org fees included in bid amount. Say example, if bid amount is 16000, org fee 1000 deducted from 4000 and remaining 3000 will be shared to all 20 people and the lowest bid person will get 16000 + 150 (as share amount) also he need to pay 850 for his contribution.

This is normally happened in chit organized by individuals.

Thanks and Regards
Nagarajan S

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23 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:46 am

Nagarajan

So incase when the big amount is 19600 and the money left is only 400 , then how to pay organisor fees of 1000 ?

I think you are talking about hte model which happens at your area . there are various models of chit funds and they run differently at many places !

Manish

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24 Nagarajan Santhan July 8, 2011 at 8:49 am

Hi Manish,

Bid will start based on Org fees i.e Rs. 1000 (so no way for <1000) .

If the bid amount is 1200, 1000 for Org Fees and 200 for Share amount for all.

Yes, your final point is true. I am talking about chits happed in my area (Coimbatore, Tiruppur and Erode)

Thanks and Regards
Nagarajan S

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25 Manish Chauhan July 9, 2011 at 6:03 pm

Nagarajan

Yea , now it makes sense :)

Manish

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26 Nikhil July 7, 2011 at 12:03 pm

Hi Manish,

I have a question. What happens when one or more members of chit fund are unable to pay their monthly investment? Suppose that member has already got money in 2nd/3rd month and is unable to pay from say 4th/5th month onwards… What generally happens with chit fund?

For example in chit fun you described above, say in 5th month 2 members do not pay. That makes contribution 18000. How do organisers and members deal with this situation?

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27 narasimha July 7, 2011 at 5:33 pm

Organizer is responsible for payments, he need to take some kind of surety from the members who auction before giving the auction amount to him.

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28 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:50 am

Nikhil

As Narshima said, it becomes very risky and the organisor need to take care of this that the person gives some kind of guarantee or assurity ,

This is exactly the reason why I discourage to put money in chit funds which are external and one does not know participants , it its a close group of friends , they can make adjustments and compromise on few things .

Manish

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29 Govind July 7, 2011 at 12:21 pm

A great article !

I wonder how the promoters run away with the investors money, if the money is returned back (minus the administration charges) to the investor each month. Could you provide with a illustration how the promoters are able to loot the investors money ?

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30 narasimha July 7, 2011 at 5:35 pm

These Promoters/Organizers may auction in the first month and then vanishes. They may be managing multiple chits at the same time.

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31 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:52 am

How about this , I am a promotor and you both are my group members , you also become part of the group , Narshimha takes first month money by bidding , then Govind bids second month and takes the money , I take money in third month , in 4 month i collect the money from all and we all run away , considering the money is collected 1 day before and it was to be distributed 1 day after .

Manish

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32 ravi thatavarthy July 11, 2011 at 5:54 pm

Generally the chit fund people offers whopping rate of interest if we invest the bid amount with them itself. The rate of interest is 4%-5% more than the bank rate. If the organizer was not able to maintain the show, he will run away with every one money.

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33 Manish Chauhan July 11, 2011 at 7:39 pm

Ravi

I am sure thats the case when we hear about the frauds and running away . Most of the people deposit their money with Chit funds and they run away

Manish

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34 Shiva July 7, 2011 at 12:44 pm

Am from A.P. so we keep hearing a lot about Chits regularly. It has evolved from being handled by many small companies & ultimately only few companies settled down in the business. Similar to banking or any other business.

Many have been duped,many have been saved, remember 20 years back getting a loan from bank is hell. Chits were the only tools for immediate needs apart from the money lenders( now MFI took up moneylenders).

Chits have to be used only for requirements preferably where we need a LOAN not for saving the money. If we compare mathematically it costs almost the same as Personal loan. Hoping we are going to cash in < 6months.Relying on chits for savings could be dangerous.

Know of a case where a good business man was doing chits for the past 20 yrs suddenly he faced huge losses had to close shop along with the chit.

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35 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:54 am

Shiva

Yes , i agree with you , as you said one should not look at it as a saving avenue ! , Was this business man running a chit fund ?

Manish

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36 Shiva July 8, 2011 at 3:08 am

Yes he was running the chit for 20 yrs & also has lots of business in his area.
His investment dried up & then he ran away.

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37 Krish July 7, 2011 at 3:00 pm

I am always eager to know whether Chit funds are investment tools as they are compared at par with Recurring Deposits. I agree there are too many variables and not one chit would be similar. Even within the Chit, the returns could vary between first month winner and the last one. I am not sure from the investment point view, which is the right approach to be the first one, middle picker or last one.

Also for the Rate of Return. Would they beat RDs at least with formal players like Shriram & Margadarshi. With 5% every month into organizer fee, I doubt whether investors would generate any positive rate of return.

However as an emergency tool, it may make sense but am yet to see the credible information on the returns front. All the risks are heavily loaded in favour of investor and it surprises me in real that formal players are still in this business happily operating by blind folding customers.

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38 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:56 am

Krish

As far as organisor is concerned , I personally see them making a cool 5% profit each month , considering the other expenses are in control for manageing the group .

Manish

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39 Sampath July 7, 2011 at 3:25 pm

Good Article Manish…

I always have a heated discussion with my mother about the chit funds. She just loooooves putting money in that & she believes that she gets best returns in it.

I feel this is not really beneficial when there are many other instruments in the market which are safe and give decent returns.

As you said, Chit funds should be the last option. But yeah, if there is a reliable company ( Margadarshi or wat ever.. ) , i’d love to try once ;)

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40 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:58 am

Sampath

I would still say if you want to try , better try with a close group of friends, tell them this concept and see how it works out !

manish

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41 Ram December 31, 2011 at 11:50 am

Dear Sampath
As Manish said most of the chit fund agents are fraud (including Margadarshi). They do lot of tactics to cheat the members. I (also some of my colleges) had faced lot of problems with Margadarshi Chit Fund.
They want lot of guarentees (incl guarantee from any one Govt employee) while paying the money. They delay the payment atleast 2-3 months.
Percenge Returns for investment is also very less (in the range of 30 paisa to 50 paisa per 100 rs per month).
I advise never invest in Chit Funds (specially companies like Margadarshi Chits. You know a lot of cases are pending in the court on them).
Thanks, Ram

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42 Kartheek July 7, 2011 at 3:34 pm

Hi Manish,

Really appreciate your time & effort to educate us on all forms of financial issues. About this article, I always wonder how these small financials groups in India are common and easy way of rotating the funds. Of course, trust is the primary factor!

In Karnataka, Mysore Sales International limited (MSIL) a govt run organisation which has Chit funds schemes. As it is run by the govt, the funds are secured and they are running it from past 30 years are so without any obligations. I’m sure these kind of govt run institutions should be there in other states as well.

below is the link for more information:

Regards,
Kartheek

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43 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 1:59 am

Kartheek

nice, if its from govt ,then one can go for it , but the person running it or people involved can be curropt !

Manish

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44 Raj July 7, 2011 at 4:33 pm

Hi Manish,
Thanks a lot for ur invaluable advice on chit funds…I have heard that KSFE runs a reliable chit funds organisation. It has the backing of the State Government of Kerala, I am told! Is this true?? I have a fundamental question. If the safety factor is ensured by going in for KSFE type chit funds; then, mathematically, is investing in chit funds a wise option ALWAYS?? What are the unknown variables that may affect returns adversely??Is it useful for someone who does not require ‘lump-sum’ money as a loan, to go in for a pure investment purpose in chit funds?? What would happen if, for example, after the first half or so of the duration of a chit fund, no one bids any more?? Could you kindly consider analysing some of these issues mathematically?? It would of a great help to all of us, I feel. Thanks a lot.

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45 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 2:00 am

Raj

No its not advisable to get into chit funds for investments , its very tough to get returns of more than 5-8% in most of the conditions

Manish

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46 Shinu July 9, 2011 at 12:15 pm

Hi Raj and Manish

It’s true that KSFE run by the state govt is running similar type of bussiness and too many are benifitted from the same. Dont know much details but still sure of it / monthly autions…etc. One thing i was wondering is the data post 2006 which i feel need not be showing the same growth as before because of the bans penetration in the last 5 years in the rural areas. I personnally know many chit funds which have closed down during this period.

Shinu

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47 Shinu July 9, 2011 at 2:50 pm

pls correct as “banks” penetration in last five years..

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48 Manish Chauhan July 9, 2011 at 5:46 pm

Shinu

Ok , i didnt had the data for last 2-3 yrs .

Manish

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49 Vishnu July 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm

I too had little bit of fear in investing in Chit Funds because of the chance of risk. But, because of the trust on the organizer, that he is running the chit fund for 20 years smoothly, I had experience in investing in this for the past 4 years. I have got decent returns of around 12% and did not face any issues.

Only recently, after subscribing for the Basic Financial Planning from Manish & Nandish, I decided to close all the running chits with little loss.

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50 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 2:01 am

Vishnu

thanks for sharing your experience with chit funds here openly :)

Manish

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51 Muthu Krishnan V July 15, 2011 at 10:24 pm

why stop if you were getting 12% returns (assuming its yearly annualized rate). Is manish helping you get more than 12% :)

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52 Vishnu July 15, 2011 at 10:28 pm

lol..

Manish guaranteed 100% returns (of PRINCIPLE) thats why :)

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53 Murali July 7, 2011 at 5:22 pm

For all registered chit company, it is mandatory to register all chit groups in government registration office. To register a chit group, some specified backup security needs to be shown. Also, as mentioned in a earlier comment, a customer who won the bid needs to give 2 to 3 sureties.
So reputed companies like margadarsi, sriram are legally backed with law. Only unregistered chits have associated risks.

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54 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 2:02 am

Murali

mostly true , but I dont think one can conclude it like that ,there are many companies which run away even though they are regiustered , rememebr that if one’s intention is to do a fraud, no one can stop him :)

Manish

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55 Amit Patel July 7, 2011 at 9:11 pm

Really good to know.
In Gujarat private chit funds are also known as “VISHI”, where people invest Rs 20/200/2000 as per capacity.

I heard from businessman “Arent you a part of VISHI, strange” ?
Sometimes it is a status for participant.

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56 Manish Chauhan July 8, 2011 at 2:02 am

Amit

Haha .. :) . Nice one .. Arent you a part of vishi !

Manish

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57 Kedar Kawadkar July 8, 2011 at 10:53 am

Good basic article on chit funds.

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58 Manish Chauhan July 9, 2011 at 6:02 pm

Kedar

Thanks , keep reading :)

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59 Raghavendra July 8, 2011 at 12:01 pm

The returns in a chit fund scheme are not equal for all. The later a person bids, the higher is his return. Since the organiser is also a member of the group, he normally retains the previlege of being the last person to bid – i.e. in the 20th month as in the example given by you. If an investor could use “influence” to ensure that the investor is the 19th (example) person to bid, his returns would be higher than others.

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60 Manish Chauhan July 9, 2011 at 6:02 pm

Raghvendea

It can be even the first poerson who makes the most return provided he does not have to take a lot of loss , remember the outflow is same , so if a person can get max money earliast , he will make max profit .

Manish

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61 CA Karan Batra July 9, 2011 at 1:13 am

One major point for the success of Chit Fund companies in India is that loans are easy to raise as compared to the formalities and eligibility procedures in Banks.
Moreover, the repayment in Banks has to be made by Cheque whereas repayment to Chit Funds Companies is made in Cash.

Infact Muthoot Finance was earlier organiser of a Chit Fund only and he started his business as a Chit Fund Company

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62 Manish Chauhan July 9, 2011 at 5:54 pm

Karan

Yea .. Given that 95% people fall in that category who do not easily get loan from banks and need small ticket loand , chit funds are the perfect way for them , only if its from some trusted network

Manish

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63 Sushil July 9, 2011 at 12:23 pm

A large number of such type of schemes are running in my city. no doubt, organisers are earning a big and housewives are attracted to these schemes….though the members are socilly known to each other and trust factor is there, yet the biggest gainer is organiser who earns a hefty intrest on the money collected becoz the methodology is different…
here suppose 200 people depsoit Rs 1000/- per month and a winner gets 200 x 1000 nearly 180000 but the winner need not pay further installments…in this way the first month winner gets a lottery of Rs 180000/- by paying just 1000 and his name is struck off from scheme. next month remaining 199 people do the same and here organiser earns a very heavy intrest…or in other words we can say that he gets money for his personal use without intrest

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64 Manish Chauhan July 9, 2011 at 5:46 pm

Sushil

I am not sure if I agree to this model . Is it really in existence . because if thats the case , then a person who pays 1000 , will be ready to bid anything above 1000 , because he will not have to pay anything later , so why will; anyone loose that first opportunity ?

Please reconsider what you said in your comment , give me the logic for that .

Manish

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65 sushil July 10, 2011 at 4:41 pm

Ya the same things going in my city in haryana.
i have mentioned right
even my family relatives run this type of schemes and moreover logic is the intrest earned from acumulated money becoz the schem is for 12 or 18 o 24 months and at last all unlucky fellows get their money back but the intrest is of organiser

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66 Shinu July 10, 2011 at 5:41 pm

Manish

Its not bidding here but lots – lotterry.

Even gold shops do run this business. monthly Rs 10000/- for 24 months from say 100 people. each month lot is taken and the lucky one will get gold “ornaments” worth 24*10000, and he dont have to pay anything further. At the end of 24th month all the 76 (100-24) will get gold “ornaments” worh 24*10000. The gold shop is having ensured business + intrest free loan and the lucky one by lot the gold too. The more number of participants the better for the shop keeper :) . Makes the ladies save.

Tx

Shinu

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67 Mani July 9, 2011 at 6:32 pm

Hi Manish,

Nice article…. now I understood how Chit Fund works…..

Thanks once again for posting this article…

Mani

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68 Manish Chauhan July 10, 2011 at 2:03 pm

Mani

Welcome . What was the thing you were not clear earliar ?

Manish

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69 Avinash Dodal July 10, 2011 at 7:57 pm

Dear Manish,
I am a chit fund agent and doing this business since 2007. I am associated with Shriram Chit Fund and have AUM around 10 cr. Personally I am too get benefited with chit fund. Here are some facts about Registered chit fund.
1.There is Central Chit Fund Act 1982. According to this act every state has authority to frame their own Chit Fund Act. So for Maharastra it is Maharastra Chit Fund Act 1984.
2. There is a regulator for every Chit Fund. It is called as Ragistrar of Chits (ROC)
In Maharastra Joint Commissioner Sales Tax is ex-offico ROC.
3.For starting any group there are legal procedures such as to frame bi-law for collection of money and commencement to run the group and organize the oction. Regulator is involved in these procedures.
4. Minutes of oction should be submitted to the Regulator(ROC) on regular basis.
5.For consumer grivences ROC acts as arbitrator. You can appeal to civil court.
6.There is a specified bid limit as per act.(It is 5% min.to 40%max. This is the amount of Loss).You can claim this amount as “loss on chit” in your returns.
7.Organizer (called as Foreman) commission is set 5% (of Chit Value)max as per the act. This amount is deducted through the bid amount. Not through the prized money.
8.While disbursing the prize money company takes guarantee either in personal form or liquid form. This is subject to the Foremen satisfaction.
9.There is a long tenure such as 40 or 50 months.
10.Chit fund is a double Decker vehicle where you can borrow money cheaper than banks( @10 to 14%) or you can save by generating very good returns (14 to 18%)
11.This is very good and different instrument for financial planning.
12.As per the best of my knowledge no REGISTERED chit fund company has ran away.
13.According to one report there is 10 times money is in circulation with unregulated chit fund.

Regards..

Avinash Dodal CFP CM
Aurangabad, Maharastra.

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70 Raj July 11, 2011 at 12:21 am

Dear Manish,
Thanks a lot. I am now quite convinced about the safety aspects of registered Chit Funds.My question is…Avinash has said that it is a very good instrument for financial planning generating 14 to 18 % returns. On the other hand, you feel that it is very difficult to get returns over 5 to 8 % in most of the conditions. Can we have a mathematical or logical analysis to this aspect please?? So, is it better than PSU Bank FDs ?? And what about FMPs with CDs only , Company Deposits in Blue Chip companies , SIPs in Mutual Funds etc. Also, what about the Income Tax aspect in Chit Funds?? I am planning to invest some money systematically every month and I feel that your and Avinash’s considered advice will be most valuable. Thanks a lot.
Regards,
Raj

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71 Sebastian July 11, 2011 at 4:04 pm

Hi,

One major threat here is the party who has won the Chit, decides to discontinue or runs away or for that matter impaired further payment, then the chances of Chit failing is very high. Unless it is a proper NBFC, they cant excercise lein on the borrower’s assets also. Most of the fraudulent companies run multiple schemes at the same time and run away once thousands of people are remitting money. So be cautious when the Chit Companies miss payments to people. Another common trend is most of them would be registered in far off lands say a Cochin Chit Fund would be registered in ‘Faridabad’ etc

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72 Manish Chauhan July 11, 2011 at 7:48 pm

Sebastian

Thanks for your comment . Did you have a first hand experience with these chit fund comapnies ?

Manish

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73 Sebastian July 14, 2011 at 4:05 pm

Dear Manish,

I belong to Kerala. The land of lakes, letters, latex and lenders. Kerala has the maximum number of Chit Companies and every 2nd or 3rd year we see massive scams of Chit Funds running away with Investors Money. Kerala Goverment has started a Chit Company by name ‘Kerala State Financial Enterprise (KSFE)’ to help the investors to invest in chit and protect them against exploitation. I am a beneficiary of KSFE where we invest just like a SIP monthly and keep getting dividends monthly. I also make it a point to call the Chit on very early stage and put the same as FD that fetches around 10.5% now

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74 Manish Chauhan July 18, 2011 at 5:40 pm

Thanks for your first hand experience :)

Manish

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75 Deiva July 11, 2011 at 5:18 pm

Manish,

Nice article.

* My family uses chit funds and as u said trust is a major factor in selecting the moderator / group. Though they are not a part of group, they have trust in moderator who in turn selects people and takes the responsibility of running it.
* I try to analyse the returns made from these funds, but since the amount we are paying is varying per month and other calculations involved i am not able to see the exact returns. Do you know what kind of calculation strategy one needs to follow to know about the returns? In my case lets say one pays around 1,60,000 and ends up with 1,80,000 at the end of 20 months? How can i say that i got a return of x % in this? Mainly in chit funds the amount we pay in the first 10 months is lesser and in the next 10 months its higher.
* From my experience i can say that its good and if one waits till the end he is sure to get a good return when compared to FD’s or RD’s

Deiva

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76 Manish Chauhan July 11, 2011 at 7:43 pm

Deiva

I dont think so that every time you can get better than FD returns , it might not be true always , you can use XIRR to find the returns : http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2011/02/calculate-insurance-policies-returns-video.html

Manish

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77 Manish nair July 11, 2011 at 7:10 pm

nice job. i am also investng in Kerala Govt sponsored KSFE. i feel that if properly managed the returns can be good
will like to share this with the viewers for better understanding
http://www.ksfe.com/chitreturn1.htm

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78 Manish Chauhan July 11, 2011 at 7:36 pm

Manish

Thanks for giving the comment , Manish , how do you ensure that there wont be any frauds or running away with the money ?

Manish

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79 Sreekumar Menon July 13, 2011 at 5:23 am

From my experience, Chit fund is useful for Small and Medium businesses .Chit Funds generate money with little effort and capital.

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80 Nisha July 12, 2011 at 11:27 am

Hey friends, I have a query related to chit funds.

1-What if I want to cancel my chit fund?
2- prematurely withdraw my chit fund?

In both the above cases, what will be the maximum amount I will get?

Eg- I have paid for 7 months. 18 months more left to pay.(25 months total)
30000 per month.

What is the maximum amt i will get in both the above cases. And what are the chit fund bye-laws/rules for both the above cases?

What amt will i get if i cancel after paying for 7 months? what percentage?
What amt will i get if i want to prematurely withdraw after 7 months? what percentage?

please reply as as possible. thanks!!!!

Nisha

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81 Manish Chauhan July 13, 2011 at 1:02 am

Nisha

I am not sure on this . May be others can throw some light on this

Manish

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82 Deiva July 13, 2011 at 11:23 am

Manish

I think that it depends on the rules formed by the group. There is no concrete rules as we are aware and we need to check with the group moderator for this.

Deiva

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83 Srinivas July 13, 2011 at 9:26 pm

I think the concept was not understood fully.

1-What if I want to cancel my chit fund?
2- prematurely withdraw my chit fund?

There is nothing like cancellation. Is the doubt that what happens when one stops/default paying after certain time. If yes, there can be two cases. He took the chit(bid) money before, in which case the organiser will recover the money from the sureties provided by the member. If he did not take the bid, then there will be a penalty (which will be agreed up front). The organiser cuts this from the amount paid and returns the balance after the chit duration is over. Also organiser cn take another member to fill that place.

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84 Nisha July 14, 2011 at 10:00 am

Thanks!!

Friends,

What is the maximum amount a person gets in chit fund?

Eg- 20 months, 50000 per month.

If a person is in NEED of the money, and wants to PREMATURELY WITHDRAW, what is the amt he would get? If—
1.there is no other bidder except him?
2.other bidders….(bidding maximum permissible amount)

will it be—–

1. 10 lacs( is this possible? can a person get full amount if no other bidder, except him?)
2. 10 lacs minus 30 percent( max permissible amount for bidding)

Awaiting reply….

thanks

Nisha

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85 Manish Chauhan July 14, 2011 at 1:43 pm

Nisha

THe max amount is the least bid , so if a person is alone , then the max amount he can get is what he bids , but the max amount comes only after deducting the organisor fees , so if its 5% , then he can get 9.5 lacs .

If there are more peopel , then max he would get is what ever is the mix bid , what if someone bids 7 lacs , then he has to bid less to get the money , hence the bid would be low than 7 lacs

Manish

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86 Hem July 18, 2011 at 12:37 pm

I’m from a small village in AP, where chits are very common. There more than three groups that run chits. The chit fund mentioned in this article (frequently called dividend chit) is different from that is run at our place. The dividend is not given back but it is accumulated and once it is a sizable amount, this amount too goes for bid (till the amount becomes sizable enough, it is given for one month interest to one of the participates). So there can be multiple bids in a month and this reduces the number of installments to be paid.

I calculated the returns for a few chits (not dividend based). on an average I see it is around 15%. If you are an intelligent bidder, you can bid at a time where you can get the money just for 2% interest. I see people who bids and later lends the bid money for interest. I see that is profitable sometimes. The interest earned is payed back as installment.

Btw, I’d like to understand the tax angle on the money earned.

Thanks,
Hem

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87 Manish Chauhan July 18, 2011 at 3:21 pm

Hem

I am sure it can be 15% many times , but you need to accept that it comes with a high risk and thats the reason the returns are so high . I am sure that from tax angle there is no seperate provision . The money you get in excess of what you put becomes your taxable income .

Manish

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88 Murty July 23, 2011 at 6:41 pm

All Chit fund Companies are bogus.Whether it is Ramoji or Laxmoji…..they all play on the minds of the people who easily fall prey.They promose a lot but hmmmmm! let me tell you something.
There is a 20 Month Chit for 1000 rupees.Say, it is a chit without auction.
So, you need to pay 50 rupee a month, and get 1000 at the end.
If you want money in the first three months, you will get 700, from then on,it will be 720,740,760,775,790,805,820,835,850,865,880,895,910,920,930,940,950.Remember, it is never 1000.
So what is the catch?
1.The Organizer gets an assured 50 per month.He doesn’t need any surity.
2.It is your choice to get the lumpsum amount as per your requirement.If you can rotate it for a higher interest, you can get good returns.
3.In total, you pay 874.So, if you stay up to the end, your Returns would be 8.7%, without considering the time value for the 20 months.
4.Safe? Not sure.
5.Why there are so many such companies mushroming around?

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89 Murty July 23, 2011 at 6:51 pm

Now the Dark Side of it!
Watch it guys!

You have 20 – 20 game on hand!
You need 20 Months time and you need only 10 people to make money.
Why 10? Because the other 10 would be “ARTIFICIAL”.
Then how does it work?
There is a technique called auction:
Say you need 700 in the first month, but, the auction by the fictitious members(Normally a Chit fund company Employee) would bring it down to 500.Let us put it safely to 60.And for the 10 months of outsiders, who want to go for the auction, the average outgo would be 750.As a whole, the company would dole out 7500 in 10 months out of the 10000 collected.Where is the remaining 2500?
500 for Processing fee, remaining 2000 for “Dividend”, out of which the 10 outsiders will get 1000 and the remaining would go into the company account.Hence the company made 1500, without trouble.This has to be subtracted from a fictitious amount of additional investment of 10000 by the company, which it will only show on paper.If you do not participate in auction, it will create it’s own auctioner, and reduce the outgo.If no outside bidder is there during that month, there will be no auction, and there will be less dividend.This will contnue for 10 months

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90 Murty July 23, 2011 at 7:07 pm

It is now the time comes for the RETURNS!
Don’t be fooled for your return! The returns I am talking about is the Company returns.
Since you have already participated for the first 10 months, the next 10 months would be getting MEAGRE dividends, since it is an out flow of cash from the company.Still , out of this dividend, the companywould get half of such dividends.say,out of the 1000 given on dividends, the company will get 500 back, for 10 of its own chits.
Now How much the company is made out of a 20 month chit?
Since it will get at least 900 for the next 10 months, the total would be 9000 Plus the 1500 plus the 500 it will recieve.Hence it would be 11000.How much it invested? Do you think it is 10000 and say it is 10%?Wrong!This 10000 investment is FICTICIOUS.It has invested NOTHING!

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91 Murty July 23, 2011 at 8:23 pm

The worst part of it is not yet over!
The trouble starts if any of the outsider defaults.Since you are not playing the game, some one else has to be roped in.Now the agent lures you that it is a 20 month chit, and there is a vacancy, as a person opted out of the chit.They say if you can pay the total upto the period of the exit of that person, you can join the chit.Say a person left in the 8th month.He asks for his money, which will be less than his actual payment, for his own decision, but the Chit fund company needs the same amount for contnuity.So, it attracts another BAKRA, with the same amount, who has to pay the next 10 installments!

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92 Manish Chauhan July 24, 2011 at 2:42 pm

Murthy

I agree that there are heavy chances of fraud and these tactics in pvt chit funds .. thats the reason one should only get into trusted friends network and only see it as a way of getting fast cash instead of loans .

Manish

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93 Raju August 2, 2011 at 5:48 pm

Suppose no one in the chit group is interested to take money or to participating in the bidding then what will do the organiser that particular month?

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94 Manish Chauhan August 4, 2011 at 2:13 pm

Raju

this cant happen , the maximum a person will benefit is if he gets a lot of money in start itself . So one one leaves this benefit

manish

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95 Nij August 5, 2011 at 8:10 pm

I work in KSFE, which is a government-owned chit company in Kerala. This [that no one in the group being interested in bidding] can happen. What we do is we do a draw of lots of eligible subscribers – that is subscribers who are prompt in their remittance and have not won the prize money till then – and choose a winner. There should be one winner each month.

Here is the answer to your next possible question too. If there are no prompt customers, the foreman itself will substitute one ticket. As I said earlier, there has to be a winner each month.

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96 Nij August 6, 2011 at 7:26 am

The functioning of chit funds varies from state to state. Kerala has a legislation regarding this, called the Chitty Act. KSFE, a government-owned chit company, follows the guidelines in the chitty act. Anybody interested in how it works, please visit this link: http://atlevg.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-chitties-why-ksfe-and-why-attingal.html

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97 Manish Chauhan August 6, 2011 at 10:27 pm

Nij

Thanks for your comment , will go through your post

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98 rahul August 27, 2011 at 2:34 pm

Hi,

Nice article…. I had a big question about rate of interest that i am going to receive at the end of chit term.
i.e. If i bid for 20000 amount and received 14000 what will be interest rate?
similarly there are chits which give dividend in the form of making payments for lesser period i.e. 20 months in your example to 16 months..
then how to know interest earned on this…….

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99 Manish Chauhan August 27, 2011 at 4:46 pm

Rahul

The returns are not fixed, it will have to be worked out, depending on when you withdraw the money and how much you actually get . you will have to apply XIRR for this http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2009/08/what-is-irr-and-xirr-and-how-to.html

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100 Vivek September 1, 2011 at 6:30 pm

Every thing mentioned in this article is correct, EXCEPT the deduction of Organiser Fee.

Organiser Fee or Foremans commission is 5% of the Chit Value and is deducted from the “Forgone Amount”.

In the above example, the Rs.1000/- as commission would be deducted from Rs.40oo that was foregone by the bidder. Remaining Rs.3000/- would be equally distributed among all the members including the prized bidder.

Chit Funds are an alternative source of raising funds and should be considered only when banks loans are not available (propably due to bad credit history).

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101 Manish Chauhan September 1, 2011 at 8:44 pm

Vivek

There are different versions of Chit funds ,may be at your place , it works like that , but many places work the way I mentioned

Manish

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102 Sanjay Thorat September 25, 2011 at 3:30 pm

Thanks Mainsh for this nice article. I was planning to invest in the registered Chit Fund that my friend has started. But, after reading this articles, a lot of contemplation and talking to few people, I came to the conclusion that Chit Fund is not for me and it’s not the risk that I need to take.

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103 Manish Chauhan September 29, 2011 at 10:29 am

Sanjay

Good that you took informed decision

Manish

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104 Binu sasidharan October 18, 2011 at 4:41 am

This is an interesting article. Thanks for all the comments. Chits are for raising money in times of urgency. Consider it like that and not as an investment tool. When there is a govt. sponsored chit like KSFE, the chance of fraud is virtually nil. If the whole issue is surrounding trust and fraudulence why not KSFE chitts…………..

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105 Manish Chauhan October 18, 2011 at 11:57 am

Binu

You can invest in them at your own risk , note that till any fraud happens , everything is safe only .. satyam was safe ..,. Lehman brothers were safe .. so if you label something as “safe” its safe only till the point something happens ..

Manish

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106 Ravindra Deshpande November 17, 2011 at 9:47 pm

1. List of documents required from members ( if sm1 doesn’t have PAN Card).
2. How is the dividend treated from taxation point of view.
3. Is any TDS applicable for the amounts ( both dividend & lumpsum
chit fund ) paid to members of the chit fund ?
4. Generally at what discount range the needing members of the group
pick up the fund ?
5. What would be foreman’s charges ?
6. Are the payments contributed to chit funds covered with insurance (
as the bank deposits up to 1 lakh per account are covered.). If so up
to what limit ?
7. Can the HUF be member of the fund ?
8. If a member picks up the chit fund, initially at discount ( loss ),
can the dividend be set off against the amount of discount ?

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107 Manish Chauhan November 17, 2011 at 10:59 pm

Ravindra

Better ask this on our forum to get the quick answers : http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/

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108 Shyam Ranjan December 3, 2011 at 8:41 pm

hey, it’s Owsum game but lil risky also, my grandmother also played chit-fund without knowing that her friend will cheat her, my grandmothers all money took by her best friend she was Brahmin., dont trust your friends and family in chit-fund.

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109 Manish Chauhan December 4, 2011 at 2:09 pm

Shyam

Yea , chit fund is risky and one should take the full responsibility for playing it

Manish

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110 peety December 15, 2011 at 8:36 pm

Iam interested to join chit fund . Pls give your details of next opening of chit fund.Pls reply..
Thanks
Peety.

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111 peety December 15, 2011 at 8:38 pm

pls give quick reply. Regds,
Peety.

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112 Manish Chauhan December 16, 2011 at 8:52 am

Peety

Do you really think we run chit funds ? What made you think like that ?

Manish

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113 bkrajaganesh December 25, 2011 at 9:56 am

good article, as said this is not recommended for investment. only of peolple who need money and an able to get credit form bank .

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114 Manish Chauhan December 25, 2011 at 2:09 pm

Yea true :)

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115 ravikanth January 19, 2012 at 7:52 pm

Hi all,

i i read almost opinions from all perspectives. I am from Hyderabad. my mother had chits in margadarsi for almost a decade where she had nearly 4 chits in different periods.
it’s very safe here and also shreeram & kapil to my notice where we get close to 12- 16 % return after deducting 5% charges. it’s a good way of saving money.
lets wish these organizations reduce charges to 4% then return can be really good upto 18%.
never invest in unfamiliar chits at all. split the money if investing in your social circles.

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116 Manish Chauhan January 20, 2012 at 10:52 am

Thanks for your views and comments :)

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117 Ashwin February 12, 2012 at 12:04 am

Hi Manish,
Its a nice article about chit fund, i was asking many people to explain about this , but you really did a great job by explaining chit fund in simple illustration.

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118 Manish Chauhan February 13, 2012 at 8:55 pm

Good to hear that you understood the concept :)

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