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Retirement Planning should be your biggest Financial Goal

by Manish Chauhan · 110 comments

How will your retirement look like? Have you thought about anything on retirement planning ? This is something, which you should spend some time on. Our parents and grand-parents might not have given much importance to their retirement, they might have just took it as it came to them, but can we also afford to do the same with our retirement? Would you like your retirement to take shape just like your parents? Lets discuss it and take some food for thought from this article today. This is the 3rd and last article in the series called “Financial Planning and Social changes in India” . You can read other two parts here and here .

Retirement Planning in India Future

In our country, where a very small number (less than 10% of the workforce which is in the organised sector) has access to some social security like provident funds, but the rest – almost 90% of the workforce – has no social security, Retirement Planning is a major issue . If you take care of your retirement planning, your future will probably be much better and in control than without doing anything. It has become extremely important to plan for one’s retirement and at least take a step towards it. I will list down some pointers which shows why retirement in future India will be much bigger and serious issue. Look at all the points in totality and you will realise that planning for own’s retirement is not just an option but a necessity these days.

1. Increase in life expectancy in India

One of the major problem while doing retirement planning is to assume how long the retirement will last. This has a direct relation with life expectancy. As a country develops, its healthcare and overall life style level improves and life expectancy increases. You can see the life expectancy in India is moving up and up with each passing decade . It was 49 yrs in year 1970 , increased to 64 yrs today in 2011 and is set to increase upto 73-76 yrs in 2040-50 (projections) .

Now this life expectancy of 76 yrs does not mean that everyone will die at age 76 , it’s an average . If you personally have a better life style , better health and better medicare access compared to a average Indian, chances are you will have a much more life expectancy which will cross 85-90 yrs . Leave future, even today you can see more and more people living upto an age of 80-85 . So, you can safely assume that you will have to accumulate enough money which can last atleast 30-35 yrs after your retirement, else make sure you die with your money itself :) . Overall the conclusion is Longer life in future will mean more money required in retirement compared to  today. Simple !”

2. Increase in Dependency Ratio

Dependency ratio means the ratio of Old age population vs Young population. To calculate it, just take total population above Age 60 and divide it with population between 15 yrs – 60 yrs and you will get Dependency Ratio. You will be surprised to know that right now in 2011 , the dependency ratio is around 5% in India, but in year 2050 this ratio will rise to 15% , which shows you that more and more people are going to be in the old age group compared to young population . See the chart below .

india future age

Source : here and here

This is not a small issue . More and more people will be shifting to this “retired” category in coming decades with more load on the working population. At this current moment, we are one of the youngest country today with as high as 50% population below 25 yrs of age , but will this continue forever? With more population control measures at government and public level , these numbers are going to be different in future . Hence the conclusion is “More and more people will come into retired category as percentage of population in coming future”.

3. Decline of joint family structure

If it was 1970 , you could have safely assumed that you will be probably spending your retirement with your grown up kids , playing with your grand children, but is it happening anymore in these changing times? More and more people are moving in different parts of country in search of education, jobs and settling there compared to old times. Parents on the other hand dont choose to move most of the times as they feel connected to the same place where they have spend all their life and more than that , they have their social groups at those native places. Very rarely I have seen that parents leave those places where they have spent 30-50 yrs of their life .

Bigger opportunities in life and a complex life style has resulted in smaller family size and its going down each decade . As per research reports of National Family Health Survey , Ministry of Health and Family Welfare (MOHFW), Government of India , average household size in the year 1992 was 5.7, which means each family had 5.7 members, this came down to 5.4 in 1998 and as per last reports of 2007 , average family size is  4.8 . Now imagine this, each family having  approx 4.8 members , that’s today ! . Will it shrink further to 4.0 in coming decades , what do you think ? I think if it does not go down , it will definitely not go up ! . Thats my personal opinion .

This clearly shows that families size are shrinking on average. More and more parents these days are living in their home town where they raised their kids , but kids have moved to other places and settled elsewhere. By no means I am saying that not living together has resulted in less love or less harmony , NO ! . All I want to say is people are living separately and “expecting” to live separately now a days.  This will only rise , and not come down by the time you retire.

So the conclusion is “There are higher chances that you will be living separately and not with your kids , by choice or by society structure , unless you are living in smaller towns and villages.”

Change in perception about Retirement Planning

Now leave all the factors we talked above. Lets look at how people today feel about their retirement in coming years . I ran a poll on this topic which was taken by as high as 412 unique participants and you will be amazed to hear that as high as 83% said that they would like to be self-dependent and want to save all the money they would require in their retirement . Around 10% said that this is the first time they are having any thoughts about their retirement after seeing the poll and just 7% people expect to be fully or partially dependent on their children for their retirement. Which shows us that as high as 93% readers on this blog who participated in the poll want to be self dependend and plan their retirement themselves. Look at the poll results below .

Retirement Planning in India futureBest Investment for your Retirement ?

So whats the best Investment you can do today which will make sure you live happily in retirement ? If you thought that it’s some financial product or a strategy to make some extra bucks , you are wrong ! . I am talking about your Health here . Note that reaching destination is important, but after reaching the destination if you don’t feel joy and happiness and are not able to enjoy the fruits later , all the hard work you will put for reaching for destination will go waste.

You will be living for 25-30 yrs minimum in your retirement, Now if you have all the money , but no proper health at the end, you will not be able to eat what you want, you will not be able to roam around places , you will not be able to enjoy each moment of your life , what’s the use of all your hard-earned money in that case ?  I would say all your efforts will be waste. This is one serious point I want you to take home today . Think about it .

People who are neglecting their health and financial life today are living in illusion that future has a lot for them. Start working on your health today , do a daily SIP investment in your health through exercising in gym or working out in park or atleast jogging . lumpsum investments in health does not work , It can only work in your financial life. I want you to download this ebook called Food and Thought right now.

Comments ? What do you think about retirement after 30-40 yrs ? I want to hear your action plan for your retirement in comments section. Do you think the points made for Retirement Planning by me makes sense ?

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{ 110 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Deepesh March 20, 2011 at 8:28 pm

Great article Manish … just in time when I have started thinking seriously abt my retirement corpus.

You hv aptly pointed that healthcare cost will be chunkiest for young guns today when they retire. I would like to draw a parallel to current US conditions. The baby boomer generation is retiring and healthcare costs are highest of all times with no public healthcare solution. Its their biggest concern.
India too is leading an insurance driven healthcare system (very nascent to western counterparts), with little or no interest in public system by govt. By the time we grow old, no matter what you do today healthcare cost will be highest to you.

When I started thinking abt it, I strongly feel that the current insurance products in the market will not help you develop a corpus for your post 55 yr times. There are and will be so many fine prints that will incur more and more out-of-pocket expenses.

I am too puzzling with one-shot solution to this, but sadly there isn’t one. At this stage building a separate corpus of equity-debt mix is a wise idea. And by the time one reaches 50, you will have a fair idea of insurance products and then you can channel this corpus into buying something that suite you and your then current health conditions.

And lastly I agree with Manish that investing in your health at this stage will pay off later. Better quality of life brings in lifestyle diseases like diabetes, obesity and heart conditions. And sadly they have recurring cost till you die.

So start investing, financially and physically :)

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2 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 10:06 am

Deepesh

I thought Majority of US population is covered by health insurance ? Is it not correct ? Not even 50% is it ?

Also as you pointed out the straight forward solution for good retirement planning seems to be to start as early as possible .

Manish

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3 Deepesh Chandra March 21, 2011 at 7:56 pm

In US, the medicare (federal) and medicaid (state) sponsored insurance systems work for 65+ … but for that you would have paid all your working years and the nation working class pays it today. More over its in top three of US govt expenditure and gets questioned in tough times.
However they are still limited in coverage and often people have to take secondary insurance (which costs arms and length at their age).

We don’t expect that system to get in India, primarily bcoz we cannot afford it and there is no proper citizen database to provide benefit (UID has still to prove its worth).
US based insurance companies who are mostly running the insurance show in India thru JVs are trying to develop the same ecosystem which will increase the overall healthcare cost.

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4 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 2:49 pm

Deepesh

Thanks for giving a good overview of health care situaiton in US and how its taking shape in India in coming days .

Manish

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5 pravin March 22, 2011 at 3:09 pm

i dont see the US being able to afford it either .the Social security and medicare systems are broke.the US Govt’s unfunded liabilities are at over 100 trillion usd!depending on everyone to pay for your health issues is ridiculous. there is no free lunch though softhearted geniuses may think it is possible

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6 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 3:36 pm

Pravin

Hmm.. I have no much idea on this topic . Good to know these points from your guys who have a clear picture :)

Manish

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7 Hemant Beniwal March 20, 2011 at 8:38 pm

Awesome work Manish.

Even meeting medical expenses is going to be a very big challenge. You will know that there is a solution for your disease but that will be too costly to afford.

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8 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 10:07 am

Hemant

Can you give some projections or inputs which strongly show that health care is really going to be a big “concern” ? I agree to it , just wanted to get some data/conclusion on that

Manish

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9 Deepesh Chandra March 21, 2011 at 8:07 pm

Healthcare cost outpaces inflation every time and almost in all countries. There was McKinsey survey around it that I am unable to find, but there is blog that summarizes it nicely:
http://healthcare-in-india.blogspot.com/2010/03/healthcare-inflation-forgotten-issue.html

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10 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 2:57 pm

Deepesh

Thanks for the link . Will go through it :)

Manish

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11 ANANDR March 20, 2011 at 9:41 pm

Hi All,

Best way for saving retirement funds is to go for VOLUNTARY PROVIDENT FUNDS . This is an extra contribution to the PF account apart from the mandatory deduction from the salary. This gives huge amount at the time of retirement which is tax free . The thumb rule is that no amount should be withdrawn.

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12 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 10:09 am

Anand

VPF is one of the tools which can be used and yes in debt category of products, its a very good one , But one has to make sure that equity is a core component for retirement corpus else it would not be able to fight the inflation . What are your thoughts on this ?

manish

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13 SK patil March 20, 2011 at 10:48 pm

What is effect of DTC, and what are all good investments to get DTC benefit?
How to open NPS A/c (New Pension Scheme)

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14 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 10:11 am

SK Patil

DTC effect is a seperate topic, its going into the details , the aim of this article is to make people aware about importance of retirement planning .

There are articles on DTC and NPS on this blog . can you go through them and find your answers .

Manish

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15 SK patil March 20, 2011 at 10:59 pm

Could you pls. brief us Advantage or Disadvantage between
Company Superannuation fund V/s PPF or NPS or VPF.

Thanks In advance.
Shivakumar

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16 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 10:12 am

SK Patil

Thats a full topic to be covered in another article . Will do it soon

Manish

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17 srinivas March 21, 2011 at 7:21 am

Interesting and thought provoking post.

The solution is not simple. It can start with getting sensitised with the facts. One may live for more years in retirement, in isolation(not with family in this nuclear family age) with mounting medical expenses. In such case, the important question will be not whether cure is available but will it be affordable.

As indicated, one’s health is of paramount importance for two reasons. First to enjoy the post retirment life, more importantly to be afloat after meeting post retirement medical expenses.

Once this is understood, one can estimate the requirement and get ready for planning the same. This is to be reviewed on a regular basis for making necessary changes in light of any changes happened.

As was highlighted in a previous article, one has to plan for children. However one has to give equal(if not more) consideration to oneself as this is the time one can shape things of his future by proper planning. Once this phase(employment phase) is passed, there will be very little leverage one can exercise.

Thanks for the good post.

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18 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 11:47 am

Srinivas

Good points from you . I agree that once the employment phase is passed , not much will be left for planning .

Manish

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19 gopal March 21, 2011 at 7:39 am

Good fundamentals on retirement planning. I would say for a target of 25-20 years of time, one can easily invest 100% in equity diversified mutual funds via SIP way. As one progresses age, shift some amount to debt systematically for stability of fund.

Avoid NPS at this stage, as it offers ONLY 50% equity exposure. So, it becomes like balanced fund; in fact less than that. (balanced mutual fund has a exposure of 65% equity). Also, the annuity from NPS is taxable.

ULIP for such a long term can also be a good option but for those who can easily digest the initial charges and know when to make use of fund switching and top-ups. One can make tax-free corpus for retirement and use partial withdrawal for systematic mean of regular income.

Retirement ULIP plans at this stage are simple NO. They’re more or less like your savings account or little more than that. But not anymore. The GUARANTEED set by IRDA forced fund manager to invest max. to debt funds and hence less returns.

All the above options & planning need to be given review again once DTC comes into effect.

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20 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 11:48 am

Gopal

yes as you said Equity has to form a major component for retirmenet . But regarding your comment on NPS , there are many people who are hell-bound on NOT INVESTING in Equity , as they are not risk takers . But if those people choose to invest in NPS saying “Its government backed” or something like that , I would say its better than investing Endowment and PPF . What do you say ?

Manish

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21 gopal March 21, 2011 at 12:55 pm

First of all, if the investor is afraid of equity mutual funds, it’s better for him to educate himself about inflation and power of compound interest. There is no other right alternate for proper financial planning and that too retirement planning. If the investor is willing to invest in NPS and that too with 50% equity exposure, it’s easy for him to understand equity diversified mutual funds.

But I can bet that majority of investors are investing in it because of Govt. of India name and they’ve not fully understood the product.

One can not survive financially for 25-30 years with just debt funds like PPF. After all, it’s not the question of food & clothes and other daily expenses in retirement life. Rising medical expenses, cost of electrical appliances (TV, Refrigerator, AC etc.), home renovation, car etc. – the list is endless; these all are visible expenses.

Secondly, just NPS is a Govt. scheme does not fit itself in portfolio. Taxable annuity, charges on every SIP transaction etc are some issues. And all above, I’ll monitor its returns for 3-5 years to qualify it as an investment product. Till now, it’s under-performer as compared to even balanced mutual funds.

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22 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 2:40 pm

Gopal

Agree with you . However some investors are conditioned to be a “safe investor” and they will never become a risk-taker as you and me . For them there has to be a middle path . But as you said the alternative is to educate themselves :)

Manish

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23 Jithu March 21, 2011 at 10:33 am

@ 20% return pa with 0% increase in investment, 8 % inflation & 25 year post retirement @ 6 % inflation and 10 % pa post retirement returns, with 30K per month expense, I need to save 5000 per month in Equity MF – SIP for 26 yrs

That is my plan

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24 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 11:54 am

JIthu

Here is the calculator for you where you can find out things http://www.jagoinvestor.com/calculators/html/Retirement-Calculator.html

Also note that above “plan” depends on external factors which might be beyond your control .

Manish

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25 shibu March 21, 2011 at 12:11 pm

Dear Manish,

I am planning to invest in Max newyork life insurance plus policy for retirement. One of my friends was saying that their charges are high and they would take half of the investment towards their charges request your advise

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26 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 12:22 pm

Shibu

Check the charges of the plan , If its 50% , then yes they would take your 50% money in first year .

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27 shibu March 21, 2011 at 12:16 pm

What are the best plans for investment

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28 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 12:23 pm

Shibu

If you can define what you mean by “best” , we will be able to help further

Manish

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29 bharat shah March 21, 2011 at 1:04 pm

for any financial planning calculation particularly ‘retirement ‘ , one important factor is escalation , not only due to inlation, but also unavoidable new inlusions due to life style changes, i mean, say, now , tv, dvd etc. or fridge, a/c etc. were now newly included which were not common 20 years’ before, now resulting cost of living escalation. and one of my son’s friend showed how a 4-6 persons’ middle class budget changed, and likely to change during last 80-100 yrs. as under:
in yr 1920- Rs.1
in yr 1940-Rs.10
in yr 1960-Rs.100
in yr 1980-Rs.1000
in yr 2000-Rs.10000
in yr 2020-Rs.100000?
in yr 2040-Rs.1000000?
in this way, every 20 yrs. it increases 10 times i.e. at @12% compounding rate!
and not @6% or 8%, which we used to consider for such calculation.

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30 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 2:43 pm

Bharat

Nice a nice Data . Can you ask him how did he get the numbers or on what assumption ? I looks to me over-streched to me personally .

But I agree with you that there are many new things added in our life these days which was not there earliar !

Manish

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31 bharat shah March 21, 2011 at 6:41 pm

@manish
yes, first it seemed me too exagerated data, but when i recalled mentally my own case (i am now 63!), i found them nearer to the fact. though he mentioned the inflation effect, but i thought that it is due to life style cost escalation plus inflation effect, whatsoever, it is!

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32 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 3:00 pm

Bharat

Ok , I think it might be true for a part , like for last 30 yrs , but should not be true for a century :)

Manish

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33 Vinay Sarda March 21, 2011 at 1:06 pm

@ Manish,

The best is to buy anyhow a House and after 30 years or so keep it on Reversse mortgage like in America people are doing, after all we r copying the western model (This is the best Retirement Planning its called KISS i,e. Keep it Simple Stupid).

Rather then investing with available amount pay it for the EMI of the house/flat you get tax benefits also ;-) . And lesser tension of volatlilty in Markets & Interest rates and all that.

K I SS (This Keep It Simple Stupid ) Strategy. It was my advice, to follow is yours. !!!!!!!!

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34 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 1:23 pm

Vinay

It would be an interesting thing to study both the options and see which one would be better . Thanks for giving that perspective . Do u think having a house on reverse mortgage will be enough in future for retirment ? Give your thoughts

Manish

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35 Ashwin March 21, 2011 at 4:35 pm

Reverse Mortgage is definitely a fallback if the funds are not going to last the couples lifetime. It’s a risky proposition if rev-Mortgage is the only means to fund ones retirement. The regular payout’s may not be sufficient to support the living and health costs. Rev-Mortgage works best if taken in the second half of the retirement period or later. Ones best bet is to plan retirement the regular way and use home equity only if things don’t work out as planned.

Remember there are several restrictions on Rev Mortgage. The most important is that this money is to be used for living/health expenses only and cannot be used to run or support a business activity or similar venture.
The Max tenure is 15-20 years and at the sole desertion of the bank. The house should not be too old or located in a apartment complex where the other houses are not well maintained.
Although the residual life of the house has to be atleast 20-25 years, the bank will be very stingy when disbursing loans on a house located in a poorly maintained apartment complex, after-all the bank has to be able to recover the loan by selling it to another buyer after 20-25 years.
Currently the total value of loan disbursed is capped at around 1 crore (interest included), this will definitely increase in future, but will depend on the banks confidence and outlook on real estate. That said, 1 crore may not alone be sufficient to support lifestyle of a person living in a apartment worth 1+ crore!
The bank will not finance the entire home equity, it will maintain a margin of safety of at-least 15-30%, depending on the location. This along with the 1 crore cap can upset some calculations.

So it is better to keep rev-mortgage as plan B or C. A couple whose Plan A is rev-mortgage will have no fall-back in case additional funds are required for whatever reasons, unless their retirement period is going to be 10-12 years max!

What say Manish?

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36 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 3:15 pm

Ashwin

I agree . Reverse Mortgage can be part of “Retirment plan” . It can be the “retirement plan” . Also we dont have much clarity on how it will take a shape in future at large scale just like NPS .

Manish

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37 Vinay Sarda March 22, 2011 at 12:21 pm

@ Manish,

Yes, why not , a Rs. 60 lac flat/house at 15 % Compounding after 30 years will be Rs. 39,72,70,632 (Calculated on your Future Value Calculator – One Time) .
I had taken 15 % CAGR has it been in last 30 years.
Does any other financial instrument gives that amount with so much safety !!!
Then why taking all this tension of SIP / MF / PPF / ULIP / FD / (FP’s) etc…..
And then keeping it on Reverse mortgage @ 8 % will fetch so much of money for next 25-30 years, that your Retirement age will very easy to live.
NOTE : No son will take care of their parents after 30 years that my guts call looking at current sceneriao.

-Vinay

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38 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 3:12 pm

Vinay

We can only project some kind of future returns in any asset class if we have some historical data to analyse or some strong research, as in equity .

15% in real estate for 30 yrs looks too much to me . 10% is a good estimate as per my understanding goes .

http://www.subramoney.com/2010/04/real-estate-learnings-if-any/

Why do you feel real estate can move by 15% year on year ?Any strong reasons ?

Manish

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39 Vinay Sarda March 23, 2011 at 12:10 am

@ Manish,

India grows at 7.5 to 8.5 % then the Real GDP is 15 % or so which means Salary growth @ 15 % and same had the effect on Land / Plots / Flats where people Live / Work .

Real Estate had the real effect of GDP growth when calculated on long term scenario. Compare it for last 30 years and you will see it.

If you have the Data for Real GDP growth it will arrive the figure of 15 % CAGR on Real Estate prices.

-Vinay

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40 Manish Chauhan March 23, 2011 at 9:01 am

Vinay

Ok , that would be a good analysis to do , I have no data right now , but would love to explore this area . However I didnt understand the relation between salary increase and gdp growth , I understand that its common sense that both are related , but I saw one article which talks about how “real income” went down in last 5 yrs : http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-03-11/news/28680348_1_consumer-inflation-salary-consumption-expenditure

Manish

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41 Vinay March 23, 2011 at 12:33 pm

@ Manish,

Let be all that anlaysis even if it grows at 12 % then also its Rs. 18 Crores after 30 years, that much CAGR we can expect now.

Now what you say even if one get 75 % Mortgage benefit on that amount what you say. It comes to Rs. 13.5 Crores.

Calculate now how much amount one should require to build that corpus with same amount of safety that Real Estate provide, which is less volatile and risky then Equity Class.

http://moneylife.in/article/only-50-of-equity-funds-with-5-year-record-have-outperformed-their-benchmarks/14761.html

It come to 38000/- PM for 30 years, can one do that with SIP of Equity.

If one purchase after paying down payment for Rs.60 Lacs home value then EMI figure will come around that.

-Vinay

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42 Manish Chauhan March 23, 2011 at 1:39 pm

Vinay

yes if your assumptions hold true , then it would make sense to buy house and rely on reverse mortagage

manish

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43 Ujjwal March 24, 2011 at 2:40 am

Guys,
For a very long period using the calculator to project the future is risky. You have to consider many factors including the maturity of the markets. We started 30 years back with a low base and thus we could achieve so much. Now that we have attained a base it will be harder to keep growing at this high rate for a very long time.

For argument sake if we think that Vinay’s house will be valued at 18 Crore in 30 years For him to sell this house he will need a buyer who will pay this amount. Consider the people who are buying a 60 L apartment today. They must have a annual salary of at least 12-15 Lacs.which is 4-5 times of annual salary. This means to buy the 18 Crore house the future buyer will need 3-4 Crore salary. How many people will get that salary? .Just consider what it will mean in USD a salary of 700000 to 800000 and you will get the answer.

Ujjwal

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44 Manish Chauhan March 24, 2011 at 8:55 am

Ujjwal

Yes , I agree with you , but i have two points .

1. One way if to not project future with just one single parameter with fixed value , but instead try something like Monte Carlo Analysis to get a “probability” of all cases .

The other thing which can be done is project the future just like that and then do an yearly review to make sure you are on track and incorporate any changes if required . What do you say ?

Manish

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45 Ujjwal March 25, 2011 at 11:33 pm

Manish,

I do not know what the Monte Carlo analysis is but I am not saying we should not project the future. I think we should lower our expectation and do not get carried away.

I’ll like people to have a target and then review yearly and adjust their plan as per the situation.
Just wanted to share my plan. In 2000 I switched to IT from Manufacturing. I was apprehensive about my ability to continue in IT. So I set a target of 50Lacs for me to become financially independent. However, now I have revised that target many times to that amount.

Two reasons , one inflation has pushed cost of living and second life style increase. In 2000 we were happy to buy a small car. But today I’ll aspire to buy a car of 12-15 lacs minimum. Thus I need much more before I can attain my financial freedom.

46 Vinay March 24, 2011 at 1:12 pm

@ UJJAWAL,

After thirty years Annual Salary of Rs. 1 cr. will common for any citizens living in India.
And Rs.3-4 Cr. for MBA/CA/MTECH aspires will get.
India will grow till 2045-2050 coz of the young age popluation. (Only there should be right reforms and right + honest governace on both Public & Private ).
We should ask our parents what they where earning some 30 years back you will be amazed that , there Monthly Salary / Income will be today’s your expenses of Sunday / Holiday if u go out with your family.

-Vinay

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47 Ujjwal March 25, 2011 at 11:46 pm

Vinay,

How do you know that after 30 years 1 Crore will be a common salary in India. I do not know your age but I am 45. I have seen that between 2002- 2011 there is very little salary increase in US / Europe. Also the Rupee has remained steady against USD in the last 10 years. Thus if this trend continues ( which is likely as India is progressing faster than the West) Our salary and living standard will start reaching their level. If you talk of 1 crore that means 200,000 USD. Do you know how many people get that salary in the west today. Very few. In 2041 also very few people will get that kind of salary. This will create a backward pressure in India as well. I am not saying it cannot happen. It is just very less likely and thus we should plan based on conservative estimate and taper our expectation. Just look at the US stock index between 2000 – 2011 there has been no increase in S&P. NASDAQ is actually less than what it was in 2000. Japan’s Nikkei has now less than half of the highest figure achieved in the 1980s. Thus do not think that prices travel in only one direction.

So have a balanced view and save accordingly.

Ujjwal

48 Vinay March 26, 2011 at 12:46 pm

@ Ujjawal Sir,

As you said u are 45 years or so, what was your salary when u started sum 2 decades back , calculate now to get CAGR per year. You might get the answer what I am saying.
In lull period in india 1998-2004 when it was so hard to get Jobs and Salary hike were not easy ,you might have seen the Real Estate market was also lull at that period.

It only pick up from 2004-2005 when Job market started picking up and salary hike was common at an average of 20 % + , so look at property prices then from till now.

That’s why I had said Real Estate is most directly linked to Job Market. And this job market is directly linked to GDP Growth of the country.

India is growing country with very good young age population ( nuclear family style living is also adding to this growth) and tend to grow till another 25-30 years or so. Till this age of young population does not mature till then india will grow 7.5 % + on an average ups n down will be there but in the long term it will be avaraged out above 7.5 % +.

-Vinay

49 Balaji March 21, 2011 at 1:14 pm

Hi Manish

Excellent article! I completely subscribe to your thoughts mentioned in this article. Just as we plan for our careers early in our life, we need to plan early for our retirements. The focus on retirement should encompass
1. Financials
2. Health
3. Lifestyle (We should decide the type of lifestyle we want to live)
4. What do want to do after we retire? We just cannot sit around (at least mos of us.)? What hobbies/interest can we pursue now so that it can not only keep us engaged (by time) but also may be help us earn some money.
Retirement planning should be emphasized by Government. Products catering to retirment should be given maximum incentives. I see NPS (New Pension Scheme) is headed in the right way. More such products should be brought to the publics notices. Even now, not many know about NPS. It’s a sad state. Is there any other exclusive retirement products other than NPS ?
Please let us know how we can choose our retirement products.

Thanks again for all the great articles.

Balaji

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50 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 2:46 pm

Balaji

NPS is there , but it still lacks in clarity and much needs to be done to make NPS a more lucerative option .

I will cover more on retirement soon

Manish

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51 Vinaya H S March 21, 2011 at 2:33 pm

On the topic of retirement, here’s a thought-provoking blog that I read: http://earlyretirementextreme.com/.

Would like to hear your thoughts on this approach.

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52 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 2:46 pm

Vinaya

Is there any specific article you want me to look at ?

Manish

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53 Prasanna March 21, 2011 at 2:49 pm

Hi Manish,

“Start working on your health today , do a daily SIP investment in your health through exercising in gym or working out in park or atleast jogging . lumpsum investments in health does not work , It can only work in your financial life.”

GREAT LINE. Really a very important aspect along with your financial planning !!

Kudos !
Prasanna

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54 Manish Chauhan March 21, 2011 at 2:53 pm

Prasanna

Thanks a lot :) . I wrote that line as it came to my mind :) .

Manish

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55 rajeev March 21, 2011 at 3:59 pm

Very inspiring and motivational article Manish,
I used to do exercise earlier but found too many excuses to avoid these days
Will be back on track soon.
Thanks for such an article and I would recommend this to all my friends

Thank you very much again
Rajeev

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56 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 3:18 pm

Rajeev

Great to know that it has motivated you to take steps in your health life :) . Keep reading .

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57 Gaurav March 21, 2011 at 4:27 pm

Brilliant Article! This is the best retirement planning advise I have read!

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58 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 3:19 pm

Gaurav

Great to know that :) . Keep reading and implement these tips in your financial life

Manish

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59 Atul March 21, 2011 at 4:36 pm

Hi Manish,

The article should be like popup message appearing in front of the people so as not to loose the focus on important thing.

There is no word as retirement in my dictionary. I plan to get involve in social activities which will keep me busy w/o financial gain.

Yes there should be sufficient corpus available to take care of your family health. We have decided Equity MF and PPF as the avenues for the same. Currently Equity MF contribution is higher than PPF. It will be reversed as we approach “No work- All Play” scenario.

Regards

Atul

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60 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 3:23 pm

Atul

When I said “retirement” , I meant that only what is in your mind, where we dont have to work for money , The right word for that is “Financial Freedom” , where we work and earn money also , but we are not tensed about it , even if we dont get 10 yr of salary , we should be ok with it :)

Manish

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61 Ashok March 21, 2011 at 9:48 pm

Hi,

Food and Thought book is very nice and meaningful. It is a very good gift for the entire world. YOU ARE A GIFT FOR ALL INDIANS..Keep going..

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62 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 3:24 pm

Ashok

Thanks for the comment . Good to know that you liked the ebook :)

Manish

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63 Sundar March 22, 2011 at 11:18 am

Nice article as usual.

I have a tip for those persons who are not in organised sector and want to take a Medical Insurance. Bank of India in collaboration with National Insurance Corporation offers cheapest Mediclaim policy. Since they get group insurance benefits, their premiums are half of what you will pay when you go individually. NIC is Govt. Insurance company and hence I think they will be reasonable in settling claims. Please check with your local branch of BOI.

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64 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 3:26 pm

Sundar

Thats a good info :) . I will check it out and try to make a post out of it

Manish

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65 Prasanna March 22, 2011 at 8:38 pm

Yeah will eagerly wait for it :). I will be needing one soon.

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66 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 8:52 pm

Prasanna

but it wont come very soon , Let it come to you as surprise !

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67 Sundar March 22, 2011 at 10:17 pm

Check out the following website everything is given including proposal forms.
http://www.bankofindia.com/swasthy.aspx

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68 Sundar March 23, 2011 at 7:23 pm

Manish,
Please remember that Health Insurance is operated by criminal middlemen. I don’t know how much commission they get but most of them are working in these Insurance Companies and running broking business in the name of their relatives. If you approach them they will suggest to you only expensive plans. When my friend went on shopping spree for Medical Insurance and was about to get trapped by one of these employees, lucklily he was saved by another Junior Employee who (probably had tiff with his boss) and he told him to go to Bank of India.

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69 Manish Chauhan March 24, 2011 at 8:56 am

Sundar

Thanks for that info , can you give some resource on this or it is based on your personal experience ?

Manish

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70 Sundar March 24, 2011 at 10:23 am

Manish,
You will not get any published resources on this. When you hear personal stories the realities come to fore. That is why personal information is much more important. This is true for any financial product in any part of the World. There are much bigger criminals in US and Developed market. I don’t mind paying decent brokerage but not for brokers who have their personal interest than the interest of their clients.

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71 Manish Chauhan March 24, 2011 at 12:47 pm

Ok , I agree with you now .

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72 bharat shah March 24, 2011 at 5:20 pm

there is also one group health insurance for the account holders( with payment of premium) of Indian Bank named ‘arogyaraksha’ from united india insurance co. ltd. it covers 6 persons including self,spouse, 2 children and parents , and si could be upto 5 lacs.

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73 Manish Chauhan March 24, 2011 at 5:38 pm

Bharat Shah

Thats great to know , I will compile the list of all the plans with banks and try to post it

manish

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74 Dr. Melhotra March 22, 2011 at 7:19 pm

Hi, Manish

Recently I came to know about your blog through Google Search and it has become habbit to visit on alternate day to find new interesting article.

I have been reading a quite on Retirement Planning. Today I gained more knowledge through this article. I have kept aside 10k/month Mutual funds SIP for my retirement.

Regards

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75 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 8:54 pm

Dr Melhotra

Thats great to know , I suppose 10k per month should be a great amount to invest considering you have enough time in your hand :) . So when can I c ome for some consultatin doctor :) ?

And by the way , there is a new book in the market called “Wealth Prescription for Doctors” By PV Subramanyam , you need to read it !

Manish

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76 RaviShankarKota March 22, 2011 at 8:29 pm

I love the conclusion Manish!You are apt in saying that with out proper health, even we live longer, there is little use.
As said people will loose their health in earning money and then loose their most beloved money to earn/ restore their health.

Regards,
Ravi

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77 Manish Chauhan March 22, 2011 at 8:34 pm

Ravi

Yea .. Most of the people get lost in thier own world of office and life and forget a bigger picture

Manish

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78 Sahil Bhatia March 24, 2011 at 12:30 am

Very Nice and Thought Provocating article.

Keep up the good Work.
Sahil

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79 Manish Chauhan March 24, 2011 at 8:57 am

Sahil

Thanks . keep reading !

Manish

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80 Ujjwal March 24, 2011 at 3:26 am

Manish,

Thanks for the nice article.

I am assuming most of your readers are very young and are working in IT / Finance industries. I am 45 and I work as a IT Manager and retirement planning is very close to my heart.

I’ll like your readers to consider the following
1. Do you think your industry will continue to grow at the current high rate in the next 25-30 years of your work life ?
2. Do you think they will be able to promote you in the same rate they have been doing your seniors. Consider this, a fresher who joins a big IT company today has got at least 1 Lac senior people in his organisation. Will he become even a Project Manager. Same question for the new trainee joining a ICICI Bank or HDFC Bank or Insurance Company. Do you think all of the Trainees in these industries will even be able to become Mid level Managers. My predictions is no. Please note I am not suggesting none of these people will be promoted. What I am saying is it will become tougher and the most important thing is there will be shakeout and many of the senior people will be shown the door.
3. Thus if you are 25-35 year old working in these kind of high growth industry you may target to attain financial freedom by 50 as I foresee many of us will lose our high paying job by age 50 as the companies will try to replace older high cost employees with younger cheaper employees or better still Indian Companies will outsource some of these jobs to even countries like Bangladesh , Nepal etc.
4. How many of us are upgrading our skills to keep pace with the market. How many of us think that we can join a new industry at mid level position.

Ujjwal

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81 Manish Chauhan March 24, 2011 at 9:00 am

Ujjwal

This is a very valid point . We cant expect a increase in salary by 15-20% each year . It can happen once in a while or just few times in continuance . Here is a small article which talks about how real income has gone down in last 5 yrs : http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-03-11/news/28680348_1_consumer-inflation-salary-consumption-expenditure

Manish

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82 Ujjwal March 25, 2011 at 11:52 pm

Manish,

Yes, we all know that in the last 2 years most comapnies have used the recession to reduce the salary hikes. Specially for senior people where attrition is very low they are giving very little rise. Also, in my organisation I have seen that in the lst 5 years frehser salary has remained almost constant thus in real tersm the fresher salary has actually reduced.

Ujjwal

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83 John M Varkey March 24, 2011 at 12:19 pm

Investment in Gold is good. Safe, Secure and liquid investment. Please find below the news in http://www.moneycontrol.com

The price of gold may hit USD 5,000 per ounce (Rs 74000/10 gram), nearly three times current levels, in three to four years, as demand from sovereign states, central banks and exchange-traded funds (ETFs) rises, the chairman of two Canadian gold mining companies said.
“Gold is used as insurance for bad governments,” Rob McEwen, chairman and chief executive of Minera Andes Inc and US Gold Corp, told Reuters on the sidelines of the Mines and Money conference in Hong Kong on Wednesday.
Gold is traditionally used as a hedging tool against inflation and economic uncertainty. The yellow metal has also been a favourite investor hedge against loose monetary policies in the wake of the global financial crisis.
McEwen said gold was in the middle of a super cycle that could end by 2015, adding that the length of the gold super cycle and the USD 5,000 forecast were based on historical gold prices and the ratio of the Dow stock index against gold since 1970.
McEwen founded Canada’s top gold miner Goldcorp Inc. He left the company in 2005, cashing in for a little over USD 200 million.
He said about 90% of his personal assets were in physical gold, adding the he owned a 31% stake in Minera and a 20% stake in US Gold, both headquartered in Toronto.
US Gold mines gold and silver in the United States and Mexico. Minera has a project in Argentina.
McEwen said he believed that countries such as China, Russia and India would buy gold as part of their foreign exchange reserves.
If China wanted the yuan to become an international reserve currency, the government may need to put 10% of its foreign exchange reserves in gold, he said.
The world’s second-biggest economy, China holds less than 2% of its 2.85 trillion foreign exchange reserves in gold, which have stayed at 33.89 million ounces since April 2009 according to official figures.
He said, however, that global gold production would continue to be limited by high costs and tighter regulatory controls.
Spot gold was steady at about USD 1,427 per ounce at 0630 GMT on Wednesday, within striking distance of its record USD 1,444.40 per ounce set on March 7.
Nick Holland, chief executive of the world’s fourth-largest listed gold miner Gold Fields Ltd, said on Tuesday that the gold could hit USD 1,500 and the industry was not making a huge amount of money at current prices.
Note: 1 troy ounce = 31.1 gram. USD 5000/ounce =Rs 74000/10 gram [(5000*46(Exchange rate))/3.1]

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84 Manish Chauhan March 24, 2011 at 2:18 pm

John

Thanks for the information :)

Manish

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85 Vishal March 29, 2011 at 5:08 pm

Agreed with Bharat, regarding inclusion of Gold and silver in one’s portfolio.
Euro zone – especially Greece, Ireland and Spain continued to experience burgeoning debt crisis. The U.S. economy too for the major part of the year suffered the pain of high unemployment rate, low economic growth rate and low consumer confidence; which eventually led to stimulus package being announced in the form of QEII, in an attempt to revive their (U.S.) economy. In India the political uncertainty caused due to several scams last year also led to the precious yellow metal becoming bolder (rose by 23%). Moreover, gold merchants also maintained elevated stock levels, as physical demand also remained robust due to several auspicious muhuraths during the year.

So it makes more sense to put your money in Golf and Silver, for long term, which should help you in achieving your retirement Goals.

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86 Manish Chauhan March 29, 2011 at 5:12 pm

Vishal

What percentage of portfolio can be allocated to gold + silver ?

Manish

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87 Vishal March 29, 2011 at 5:50 pm

@ Manish
Ideally it should be between 10-15% Depending upon time horizon and Risk profile of the individuals.

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88 Charan April 1, 2011 at 7:52 pm

Hi Manish, Wonderful post and the message is strongly conveyed!!! All our readers have discussed about finincial products and insurance covers…Health cover is a corrective measure to fix ill health, none of us want to fall sick just because we have insurance…Health cover is to cover unforeseen health problems however we can prevent many of them just by taking some preventive steps.

Here is what my preventive and corrective plans are
1. I ve already started to cycle to my office on alternate days( This was little tough initially but i pushed myself not i am fine) For others some thing else may work well…Say a morning jog, swim, take up their favourite sport.

For many or most of us GYM is the default preventive measure but being regular is a big question. Its works well for few may not for many….I ended up paying one year subscription fee at the time of joining and ended up going just for 2 months i am so bad i wont be surprised if there are many or most of our readers are like me lol

2. In addition to my company provided Health Cover, i am planning to take up additional cover on my own. Covering dependends makes more sense here.

It will be intresting to see what preventive measures our readers have taken which works well for them.

Thanks,
Charan.

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89 Manish Chauhan April 4, 2011 at 10:39 am

Charan

Yea .. regarding Gym think i think you are in a better position , you atleast took action and started implementing , many dont even have it even in their wildest thoughts . Cycling to office is something really cool especially if your way to office is peaceful and not so trafficy .

Manish

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90 Charan April 1, 2011 at 8:11 pm

I feel MFs especially thru SIP are good tools to accumulate retirement corpus. Which is now known universally. However i believe we have to increase the SIP amount by some % every year. This very site have a SIP calculator 1. Constan SIP calc and 2. Increasing SIP Calc. the latter will be something we all have to think about increasing SIP amount by some % every year. If some have not tried it i am sure it will make your eye brows raised!!!

Happy Investing!!!

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91 Manish Chauhan April 4, 2011 at 10:37 am

Charan

Yes you are right , the only think is its little manual work to increase it every year by a fixed percentage , it looks good at paper . the practical situation is to increase your SIP whenever you start having a suplus , so some one who is doing a SIP of 10k can continue for some years and then directly increase it to 15k after 2-3 yrs .

What do you feel about it ?

Manish

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92 Charan April 4, 2011 at 1:18 pm

Manish, I straight away agree with you, increasing the SIP amt will be little manual when done yoy. My thoughts are simple. I see SIP serves us in two ways.
1. It make us invest mom/qoq systematically and
2. Its takes advantage of mkt volatility.

Now mkt ll continue to fluctuate. Anyways i wont regret even if mkts are going up….however if mkts dip that little bit of increas in SIP will work great is n’t it?…..I feel things does not come easy….If the fund manager is taking 99% headache on managing the fund our head ache it just be patient and continue investing. Which all the SIP investors mostly do…what am i doing extra…Increase SIP amt every year :) Its not easy, it needs conviction….so no pain no gain.

What do you say

NOTE: The post on Visualization is fabulous manish :-D

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93 Manish Chauhan April 4, 2011 at 1:27 pm

Charan

Yes , Increasing the SIP amount when markets tank would give a lot of momentum . I think it would beat the regular SIP , will have to do some number crunching for that :)

Manish

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94 Sharad March 2, 2013 at 9:50 am

Yes Manish. It would beat SIP.

This technique is called Value Averaging Plan and has advantages over conventional SIP. One invests more when the market is down i.e. cheap.

Regards,
Sharad

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95 Manish Chauhan March 3, 2013 at 10:12 pm

But the question is it proved that in general it always beats SIP ? or it it only in few secenarios .. I am quite apprehensive that VIP is always better than SIP ! . Also if thats the case, then why are all companies still on SIP , why are they not coming with VIP facility in mutual funds !

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96 Sharad March 4, 2013 at 8:26 pm

Theoretically, VIP should outperform. Will see if I can work out some numbers to support the same.

However with VIP, things might get complex for the following:
1. It involves an element of timing the market
2. How much to invest at what point of Valuation requires sophisticated methodologies

Retail investors might not be able to appreciate the complexity, may be that’s why companies haven’t launched them.

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97 Vaibhav Mhatre April 6, 2011 at 8:00 pm

Hi,

The ebook which you have shared at the end of the article is really an eye opener. There are so many basics facts mentioned in that book which we all know but have really forgotten. Thank you so much for sharing such an informative book.

Vaibhav

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98 Manish Chauhan April 6, 2011 at 8:02 pm

Vaibhav

Welcome :) . Share the ebook and article link with all your friends :)

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99 Ajay October 21, 2011 at 2:36 pm

Dear Sir ,
All you are here very knowledgeable , Retirement planning is the most important part of us when we do investment , but as the time pass we busy in life with more liabilities and short term goals became more focused , we start to ignore that .
I had done investment in Sip , PPF , NPS , Gold for my Retirement purpose .
Sip in Equities Fund ( includes Large cap , mid cap , small cap )
PPF to give my portfolio flavour of Debt part
Nps again 50 % equity 50 % Debt
Gold as safe gaurd and to full fill requirement at old age to give gift to my daughet in law or daughter or to my grand son .
As my earning will increase , my standard of living also increases , so with the time , the amount will increases to different instruments .
Retirement planning to be done in correct way might need exerptise , but i think if we start investing , in Mutual fund through Sip , that will automatically cover lot of Target corpus.

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100 Manish Chauhan October 22, 2011 at 5:31 pm

Ajay

Yes you are correct .. SIP in mutual funds is one of the best ways to accumulate for retirement

Manish

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101 Rajat January 25, 2012 at 11:28 am

I want to invest Rs. 10 lacs. I have horizon of 1 year and my age is 60. The money I got as my retirement benefits. Need regular income.

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102 Manish Chauhan January 26, 2012 at 5:00 pm

Rajat .. you can look at this article on generating income : http://www.jagoinvestor.com/2011/11/10-income-generation-methods-india.html

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103 Banyan Financial Advisors January 31, 2012 at 1:10 am

Hi,
I think though you very well mention that SIPs can pave a good way towards retirement, however, one of the best sources of diversifying retirement funds is using the best debt options – Provident Fund. People tend to contribute in it year on year, without realising how it works and its importance.

Please let me know your views.

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104 Manish Chauhan January 31, 2012 at 12:29 pm

Yea .. in a way thats correct .. But there has to be a balance in equity and debt .. else only debt can be bad

Manish

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105 jameel March 4, 2012 at 10:18 pm

i had already thought of health after retirement before reading this artical. But what i did was that i decided to live & enjoy life as much as possible in present days. so when i was planning to buy a new car, i often thought that why should i buy a car in this young age when my father never bought a two wheel. so there comes this thought that one should enjoy life when his body is functioning properly. so i bought a new car.
more over in my company (Power Grid corporation) we have a post medical scheme for self & spouse. so no need to bother about medical expense after retirement.
so i wisely started contributing to my VPF account an amount of Rs. 5000 extra apart from my provident fund.
Once a wealthy foreigner was asked a question :- ” whom do u believe is the richest person in this world.”
“the richest person in the world is one whoes fives senses are working properly” came the Answer.

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106 Manish Chauhan March 5, 2012 at 9:56 am

Jameel

thats a good thought , saving for tomm does not mean cutting for luxuries today . You can have your own way of thinking and all the things are right if you are able to convince yourself . If you think enjoying today and not saving for tomm will help you , you can do that way ! .. best of luck :)

Manish

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107 Abhijit February 11, 2013 at 9:34 pm

VPF or PPF?…..this info will be helpful too….

That’s fine, but should you invest in VPF if you are already investing in another popular scheme — public provident fund? You have quite a few reasons why you should prefer VPF over PPF or at least in addition to PPF.

For one, whether you want the tax benefit or not, you cannot invest over Rs 1 lakh in PPF. In case of VPF, you can invest well over the Section 80C ceiling.

Two, you may not be a disciplined investor in PPF. Also, you will have to take the trouble to deposit the amount in your bank or post office. In case of VPF, your employer will do this for you. Three, interest rates on PPF, in recent years, have been lower than rates notified in EPF. Also, private-trust run EPFs may even manage a far higher rate.

Four, the clause to avail a loan based on your PPF is more restrictive compared to your EPF. Five, if you want to call it a day at your office, you can withdraw the entire sum (not taxable if you have worked for over five years). PPF is locked in for 15 years and allows only partial withdrawal.

This said, the biggest limitation with VPF is that it is available only to salaried individuals. Besides, most employers do not allow you to alter your contribution mid-year. You may reduce or increase it annually.

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108 Manish Chauhan March 26, 2011 at 10:45 am

Ujjwal

Yes , I think adjusting your plans and target amount each year after an review is a much better idea that just projecting some amount in future and be with it .

Manish

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109 Manish Chauhan March 26, 2011 at 10:49 am

Ujjwal

I see that in indian markets also . There was very less returns in indian indexes too from 1993 – 2003 , a 10 yr period . We got just 3% annual return . Which is not that encouraging . The same can happen in India too .

Manish

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110 bharat shah March 26, 2011 at 1:56 pm

@manish, ujjwal, vinay , john and all participants,
indeed the discussion is getting more interesting and thought provoking!in west, though the indices did not perform well quite sometimes, i think, Warren Buffet made money for investors from the same markets over a period, and in india , also, i think, some equity mutual funds(of course ,in 1993, only a few finger tipped no. of mutual fund existed) have outperformed the indices by good margins over a period. and vice versa also! and there is gold, silver and real estate too for investment for better retirement! so finance planning for retirement and other goals calls for continuous monitoring , searching better avenues, and i think, sites like ‘jagoinvestor.com’ is great help. keep it up!

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