How to use losses to reduce tax

March 23, 2009 · 39 comments

Are losses good ? Do they have any benefit ?

When you make a loss , do you feel it has nothing to provide or not at all beneficial .The answer is NO! , losses are bad, but our tax laws gives us a way to utilize them in such a way that we can reduce our tax liabilities . Lets see how :) , don’t worry , we will start from scratch and will explain in detail so that everyone can understand .

Let us talk about capital gains in detail today and let us understand how should we utilize it to minimize our tax liability. Things we will discuss would be stocks , mutual funds , Gold , Debt funds , Real Estate etc .

Understanding Terms and Rules

Capital Gains and Loss : Any profit or loss aris from the sale of capital assets is capital gain or loss . Capital Assets Include Shares , Mutual funds , Real Estate , GOLD etc .

Short Term Capital Loss and Profit : STCL for Equity (shares and mutual funds) is when you sell them at loss before 1 yr , for Real estate , GOLD its 3 yrs .

Long Term Capital Loss and Profit : LTCG for Equity is when you sell it after 1yr , for Real estate , GOLD its 3 yrs .

Following is the chart showing the tax treatment and time frame for short term for each asset class. Click on the chart to enlarge it .


General and Carry forward Rules :

  • Short-term capital loss can be set off against any capital gain (Long-term or Short-term)
  • Long-term capital loss can be set off only against long-term capital gain.
  • A long-term capital loss will have no value in a case where the long-term capital gain is exempt from tax . For example, In case of shares or mutual funds after 1 yr , LTCG is exempt from tax , so If you hold a share for more than 1 year and then take a loss , That LTCL will have no benefit . This loss cannot be set off against any other income.
  • A capital loss can be carried forward for next 8 years .

How can you utilize the losses ?

As we know that capital losses can be offset with capital gains , we can utilize this advantage to reduce the tax liability .

The main idea is to create losses to offset any profits . There may be the cases where there is a investment on which you are loosing , but still you have not booked the loss , but you can book it and use this loss to offset a profit on which you may have to pay the tax .

Let us see some examples

Example 1 :

Ajay had invested Rs 5 lac in GOLD in 2005 and currently in 2009 he sold it for Rs 10 Lacs , Now he made a profit of 5 lacs and it will be considered as a LTCG , as its after 3 yrs . and it will be taxed at 20% indexed (If you dont know what is indexed , just forget it , dont worry ) . The tax would be around Rs 1 lacs .

Now Ajay also had invested Rs 10 Lacs in Unitech Shares in Apr 2008 . His investment has come down to Rs 4 lacs now . But he thinks that it will go up and he wants to keep it and not sell .

Good !! , I appreciate his belief that it will go up again . But what is stopping him from selling it today and then again buying it next day .

What will happen if he does that ? If he sells his shares and takes a loss of Rs 6 lacs , He now has made a STCL of Rs 6 lacs and law says that he is allowed to offset it with any STCG or STCL . So now he can offset his 5 lacs profit with this 6 lacs loss and hence , he can save his tax of that 1 lac which he had to pay , also he can carry forward a loss of remaining 1 lac which was not offset .

He can again buy his favorite Unitech share the next day . The only loss he will make is the brokerage charges and any fluctuations which may occur in prices , which will not be much , may be it has gone down and he can buy them later at better prices .

So the point is to generate the loss by selling a loosing investment and again buying it back in some days . This will help you cook up the looses which then you can offset with existing profits and hence reduce your tax liabilities .

Let us also see one more example

Example 2

Robert had invested 5 lacs in mutual funds in early 2008 or end of 2007 and currently has a good loss of 2.5 lacs (1 yr is still not complete) . This is currently every one state , most of the people have burnt their fingers and made huge losses .

Now he is sad that he made losses , He also had bought some shares before some months and made a profit of 50k . Let us also assume that next year his mutual fund will rise to 4 lacs from current 2.5 lacs , which he sells next year .

Now he has 2 choices to make , let us see 2 cases .

Case 1 : He does not book the loss and holds it .

In this case , he will have to pay profit of 15% STCG on his profit of 50k , and next year he will have his current investment at 4 lacs . When he sells it , it will be a loss of lac which will be LTGL (because he had hold it for more than 1 yr) .

Case 2 : He books the loss of 2.5 lacs and then again buys it back the same day or next day .

In this case , he has made a STCL of 2.5 lacs (bought at 5 and sold at 2.5) , Now he can offset his 50k profit with this loss . Then he would not have to pay the tax and he can then carry his loss of 2 lacs carry forward .

Next year , he sells his mutual funds for 4 lacs and makes a STCG of 1.5 lacs (because he has re-bought this mutual fund and 1 yr is still not complete) ..But he can offset this profit of 1.5 lacs with the carried forward loss of 2 lacs , and still carry another 50k worth of loss forward .

So whats the advantage of case 2 ?

The advantage is that you can save tax on the existing profit and also generate STCL which you can take forward and save tax on future profits .

There are many people who make losses and dont bother to show it in there returns , if they dont show it in returns then they will not be able to use it for offsetting purpose in future .Note , The way i have shown the examples have there own benefit and problems , Its you who have to decide what you want and how to utilize the tax rules to your advantage .

Its smart use of knowledge , not cheating :)

I wish you have got some knowledge out of this article , please put your comments/corrections/suggestions so that we can do more discussion .

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1 Anonymous March 24, 2009 at 7:11 am

Hi,Good article,small correction,in Example 1 end of 4th paragraph i guess it shd be 5 lacs loos we can carryforward instead of 1 lac…

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2 Manish Chauhan March 24, 2009 at 7:41 am

@Anonymous

No , it should be 1 lac only . the person made profit of 5 lacs of gold (LTCG) and loss of 6 lacs on equity (STCL) . So 5 lacs loss was offset with 5 lac of profit and there was remaining 1 lac loss , which was not offset and he can carry it to next 8 years .

Is that clear ? Or i missed something ?

Please leave your Name .

Manish

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3 Asif March 24, 2009 at 9:10 pm

It would be nice if could explain the other problems/aspects of it as mentioned in “Note , The way i have shown the examples have there own benefit and problems”..
BTW nice enlightening article… keep it up Manish!

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4 Manish Chauhan March 24, 2009 at 11:19 pm

Asif , By problems i mean a scenario like

when you book a loss to create a STCL and then again buy back , next year when you sell the investment , there can be chances that you have some profits on which you have to give tax , which would not have been there otherwise .. i will give you example

Suppose you buy shares worth 1 lac on 1 jan 2008 and its value is say 50k in 5th Oct 2008 , and you sell it to create a STCL of 50k and rebuy it next day and adjust this loss somewhere .

Now you do not have any loss to carry forward . Suppose by 5th June 2009 , your investment worth is 2 lacs again. Now if because of some reason you sell it , it will be considered as a STCG of 1.5 lacs (because buy was 50k and sold at 2 lacs) , on which you have to pay 15% tax .

Where as if you had not sold it earliar , you would have made profit of 1 lac , because the profits would be after 1 year and it would be LTCG . so that way you may losse

So , thats the reason you should evaluate your situation and aware of it .

Manish

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5 Anonymous March 25, 2009 at 4:54 am

Hi Manish,
you are right on the first comment i posted.I read it wrong.Thanks.

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6 swathi March 27, 2009 at 1:23 am

hey Manish,
nice artcile 1 but i have a doubt -i might sound silly. Suppose I bought gold@1000 and sold it at @1200 within 1 yr but how will govt know that i sold gold at profit? I am sorry if I am something silly- my knowledge in economics is zero.

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7 Manish Chauhan March 27, 2009 at 2:47 am

Swati

first thing is that dont feel that you ask silly questions … always feel free to ask any kind of questions , however sill they seem . actually they are not .

So there are couple of things there . I assume that people are them selves responsible to pay there taxes . It may happen that govt may not find out that you made profit or loss. and then you are safe. But it may happen they do the scrutiny and you are in the net . In that case things would be messy .

If you are buying GOLD ETF , you will do it through your demat , you PAN is linked to your demat account and later govt can find out whatyou did . Even when you purchase physical gold and you use your debit or credit card , all details go in your bank account , which has proof that you made some purchase or sale . In this cases there is a possibility that at the time of checking (if tax people do it) , then you have to prove your stand .

But if you manage to buy and sell without any proof , then there is a possibility that there is no record, but if somehow tax people find that out , things can get bad .

Manish

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8 Srinivas February 4, 2012 at 5:26 pm

Manish,

How much fine levy by IT if they found, we didn’t pay tax for short time gains?

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9 Anonymous March 31, 2009 at 9:03 am

Hi,

Can you use STCL (say on shares)
to offset gains in bank fixed deposits?

Very informative article.
Keep up the good work.

Sathish

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10 Manish Chauhan March 31, 2009 at 10:25 am

@Anonymous

Not at all . It should be a capital gains or loss … FD’s do not come under the category of capital assets .

Also understand , Capital assets are something in which there is also a possibility of loss . FDs returns can not be negative .

Keep visiting the blog :)

Manish

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11 Manickkam June 5, 2009 at 9:23 am

Hi Manish,

Let me know if the following statements are correct. I think I read these from some other blogs and not sure whether it is correct.

1. I can offset short term capital losses with short term or long term capital gains.
2. Long term capital losses can be offset only with long term capital gains.
3. Because of the difference in tax structure (dont know the exact reason), the short term capital losses made in shares can be offset only with short term capital gains made with shares (of course, you can include long term gains, but currently it has no tax)
4. Thus, you can offset Gold ETF profit with one of your loss in other stocks but not with Gold bought and sold outside.
5. Real estate is a completely different story even though it is termed as capital gains.

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12 Manish Chauhan June 5, 2009 at 9:42 am

@Manickkam

1,2 are correct

3. You can not include the long term capital gains from equity as there is no tax payable on it . So you can offset the STGC from equity with STCG from equity or LTCG from any thing else .

4. Not sure

5. Capital gains rules apply for Real estate in same way .

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13 SKN June 17, 2009 at 2:04 am

Hi Manish
Nice post. One question though. Short Term CApital gain taxes are deducted at source with ICICI direct. In such a scenario, will the deducted tax be offset if you sell another lot of shares at a loss?
Sunil

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14 Manish Chauhan June 17, 2009 at 2:16 am

"Short Term CApital gain taxes are deducted at source with ICICI direct"

Is is happening with you ? Not possible i suppose , Or may be you are confusing it with "STT" securities transaction tax ?

Check back and let me know

Manish

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15 Mac July 31, 2009 at 6:54 am

Hi Manish Chauhan,

Fantasic quite an elaborative article on Short/Long Term Capital Gain /Loss.
Had one doubt in case of STCG in equity shares can we use indexation to save on taxes if the year of purchase was 07-08 (June) and year of selling was 08-09 (May).

Regards…..Manish Macwan

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16 Manish Chauhan July 31, 2009 at 6:56 am

@Mac

In the example you gave , the holding period is less than 1 yr and hence 15% tax is applicable . No indexation benefit here . Shares are not Capital Assets .

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17 Shrini August 21, 2009 at 1:06 am

Hi Manish, recently from one of my friend i got a chance to get to know about your blog and articles. Your articles are more informative and most worthy to all of us, as we could not able to make ourselves to do such kind of analysis.Great job & jago.. I am having small doubt and correct me if i am wrong regarding using losses to reduce the tax. For example if i bought MF of worth 50K ( 6 months back) and current valuation is around 20K, as per your formula the capital loss would be 50k-20 = 30k, if i book the loss. And consider my total taxable income is 5.10 Lacs. After adjusting this capital loss will i have taxable income as 5.10L-30k = 4.8 Lacs ?

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18 Manish Chauhan August 21, 2009 at 1:12 am

@Shrini

Thanks for appreciation :)

THe rule for adjusting STCG is that you can adjust it with only STCG from shares or Mutual funds , you cant just decrease 30k from your taxable income , if you have made 30k loss and also made 40k profit , then you can adjust them and show 10k as profit .

You cant even adjust it with LTCG in share or mutual funds ,as they are exempt from tax :)

Manish

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19 Mac August 25, 2009 at 6:29 am

Hi Manish,

My Father in law has transferred some 500 shares in my demat account 4 months back as gift. If I sell these now have what will be the tax treatment?

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20 DR.VIKRAM PAL December 11, 2009 at 6:07 pm

very informative article, helped clear lots of taxation queries.
thx

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21 manish December 12, 2009 at 12:45 am

Vikram

Thanks for you comments ..

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22 Vijay January 23, 2011 at 2:37 pm

Hi Manish,

Nice article. If i understood the article correctly, then for claiming long term capital loss only following categories are available
1. Land/Property
2. Gold
Other items like shares/MF are not possible as they don’t have any tax liability in long term capital gains.
also, i heard some companies declare bonus share at the end year so we can claim STCG loss, have u come across it, I could not find it. How to check this?

Vijay

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23 Manish Chauhan January 24, 2011 at 5:58 pm

Vijay

Your understanding is correct ,for any doubt ask it here : http://www.jagoinvestor.com/forum/

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24 Devesh Trivedi July 18, 2011 at 10:02 am

I am a relatively new investor and each of your articles is a startling revelation for me. Keep up the good work!!

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25 Manish Chauhan July 18, 2011 at 3:21 pm

Devesh

Good to hear that :) . Keep reading

Manish

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26 Ninthem July 29, 2011 at 12:04 am

Hi,
I have couple of questions;
1.I heard that, if wife is not working, working husband can open an DMAT account in her name and invest husband’s money (salary) through her account so that tax from the gain will be very less/nil. Is that correct ??
or will it be coming in the husband’s income.
2. I had lost some amount of money in stock market while trading (including day trading and buy and sell in 4-5 months time frame). This happened ssome 2-3 years back. I did not claim this loss at all. Could I claim this loss by any chance ?

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27 Manish Chauhan July 29, 2011 at 11:21 am

Ninthem

1. Thats not true .. who said that to you ? The income will be husbands income only and it will be taxed

2. No , its only allowed to be claimed in the same year

Manish

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28 ningthem July 30, 2011 at 5:29 pm

Thanks Manish,
For 1: Some of my frens were talking abt it so I was curious to know that.
For 2:
That means that I could have claim in that financial year only?

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29 Manish Chauhan July 30, 2011 at 5:32 pm

Yes .. you can claim the loss (mention in the return form) in the same year. so that you can claim it later (adjust with short term capital gain) . But if you didnt mention it , then its gone

Manish

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30 Manish Chauhan August 4, 2011 at 7:07 pm
31 Deepak July 31, 2011 at 4:33 pm

Manish

Very nice article , one thing to confirm – you mentioned STCG , LTCG Tax % ( STCG – 15% for Equities etc ) . Is it still the same or it got changed . I read somewhere that STCG is now 20% for equities ? Please confirm

Regards
Deepak

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32 Ashok September 29, 2011 at 4:17 pm

Nice to read all comments really it is useful for taxation purpose. I would like to know I worked out of India for three year on deputation by getting composite salary equivalent to USD. What so ever I was getting in India being offset against the equivalent USD and by deducting that amount balance being paid there i.e. out of India. Unfortunately or fortunately form 16 issued by parent company. Please let me know whether the amount paid india will be taxable or not.

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33 Manish Chauhan October 4, 2011 at 9:26 pm

Ashok

If your salary was paid in India , that part will be taxable in India

Manish

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34 Rustom October 27, 2011 at 7:31 pm

can this example (case 2) of saving tax be used by salary class of people? Like I’m not a businessmen or share market trader but a central Gov Employ my tax gets deducted at source about Rs 6800 pm, how should I save it because its my hard earned money…please suggest

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35 Manish Chauhan November 5, 2011 at 6:22 pm

Rustom

Even you can do the case 2 thing ,but it has nothing to do with your current situation

Manish

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