Jagoinvestor

March 8, 2012

Income is not Wealth

Let me ask you a question. Ajay earns Rs 1 lac per month, and his friend Robert earns Rs 40,000 per month. Who is more rich and in better position ?

In all probabilities most of the people would say Ajay because he earns more than Robert and that too 2.5 times of Robert’s salary. However you can’t give the judgement so fast, because we have not mentioned how much are their expenses, or in other words how much money they burn at the end of the month and what is amount is actually saved. What if Ajay’s expenses are Rs 90,000 and Robert’s expenses are Rs 20,000? In that case Robert would be saving 20,000 per month and his rich friend Ajay would be saving just Rs 10,000 per month. Right ?

High Income or Saving

What matters is Savings, not Income

So you can see that the real thing that matters is the money saved!, not earned. However more income helps in more savings at the end, but its not true always!. The real wealth gets created by your savings and not just by earning big!. So, if you are earning a lot and saving a lot of it parallely each month then you are in a good position. But if you are earning a lot, but spending a LOT too, then in reality you are no better than someone who is earning less and saving less. In that case, from the future aspect, wealth creation will either be too low or it just won’t happen.

Lots of people who have big incomes are actually not very good at saving money – they’re used to having plenty of money coming in, so they don’t pay enough attention to the money going out.

For example – If you and your friend both are saving Rs 20,000 per month and in long run, it’s going to continue that way, it really make no difference for how much you both really earn, because in the long-term, your wealth creation is the function of how much you save and how much of it you actually invest properly.

So this boils down to one big question – “Are you just rich by your Income or are you really rich by savings?”.

A lot of people earn very high salaries, but they end up spending most of it. You can blame this to high standard of life style, high status symbol and all sort of expenses, but your real worth is what you save at the end. I know one friend personally who is a bachelor and he makes around 1 lac per month, but spends 70,000 per month and I know one more friend who earns 70,000 and spends 20,000 per month. Though the first one earns more than the later one, the wealth creation is happening pretty fast for the second guy, even though he is earning lower than the other friend.

Now the question is – How much of your income do you save?. By Saving, I mean any kind of savings which is left with you at the end of the month after expenses + the investments you do in different places (because even that’s part of saving only).

Whats your Saving Ratio?

A good indicator to know is finding a simple ratio called “Savings Ratio”. Just divide your savings at the end of the month by your income and that’s your saving ratio? How much is it? Is it 20%, is it 30% or is it 75%. How much is it?

Lets see an example . Say Ajay makes Rs 50,000 a month and he pays rent of Rs 10,000 , pays another 12,000 in home related expenses, spends another 6,000 in entertainment and outings and at the end of the month is left with Rs 22,000 , thats Rs 22,000 saved with income of Rs 50,000 – which is 44% saving ratio . You can do it on monthly or yearly basis , but put some numbers on table and do this important calculation.

I would personally say that a saving ratio of more than 40% is a good enough number. But if its below 20%, you should really do something about it. So what are your plans about increasing your saving ratio from this point onward? What are your thoughts about this concept of Income Rich and Savings Rich ?

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Nitin
Nitin
8 years ago

🙂 It is not the saving which makes you rich, its the velocity. If you know what I mean.

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Harpreet
Harpreet
9 years ago

Mines 90-95%

Shweta
Shweta
11 years ago

What is there is a huge chunk from your income which goes towards EMI? Would you consider that as savings or an expense?

Pradyuman
Pradyuman
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
11 years ago

! 🙂

Abhijit
Abhijit
11 years ago

Hi Manis / All
Is the premium paid on term plan or health insurance are a saving? or we need to consider it as expense? I think these can be considered as your savings.

What are your thoughts?

Abhijit
Abhijit
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
11 years ago

You are right Manish, got your point.

Vandhana Karthick
Vandhana Karthick
11 years ago

Informative Post!! Along with this post..You tell how to save by diversifying the investment in the path of growth and meaningful.In current situation who plans to save Rs.20000 what should he could do??Tell me please Mr.Manish

vinaykumar
vinaykumar
12 years ago

Hi,
i dont about investments but i’m interested please post the which is better plan actually i started my career from last year please take it in to consider and give suggetions accordingly.

vickss
vickss
12 years ago

i do not think that 20 % is good. i have more than 50 % saving of my salary..Got a good start..

Dave
Dave
12 years ago

Wealth is never about Income. It is how much we save that matters. In turn, we will grow our savings by letting the money work hard for us. I advocate good savings habits and good passive cash flow. Great Sharing. Thanks!!

Dinesh
Dinesh
12 years ago

Thanks manish for posting such type of article

Its really helpful for tracking our income & expenses ratio of monthly/half yearly/Yearly But suppose if i had taken the Home loan for 20 Years and almost 50% PA amount goes for EMI and 10% PA for insurance policies like Life insurance, ULIP & Mediclaim. Then how could we decide that our saving ratio is good/better or worse.
1.Income source is single (salaried in private sector)
2.having a one child
3.Wife is house wife
4.Regular Monthly expenses minimum near about 11000
5.Non predicted expenses like medicines, illness

Pl. Advice me how to manage my saving in this situation and increase the wealth by using the current resources.

We are sincerely awaiting for your reply
Thanks in Advance.

NewUser
NewUser
12 years ago

Help ME ….
I have 40 lacs house (Still need to pay 20 lacs) and LIC 5lacs are only savings and current take home salary 55k no other saving expect some cash (which left out after paying EMI & Prepayment )….net monthaly expense 18k ….current age 36 yrs …. i really appreciate if give me some guidance about how can i planned my saving.. i know its late ….but better late than never

NewUser
NewUser
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
12 years ago

Thanks Manish… For your reply….

Rakesh
Rakesh
12 years ago

Manish,

Good post. Savings is good but investing that savings amount is even better.

Anand
Anand
12 years ago

Manish Sir,
I give my status as below:-
1. Holding Four LIC Policies ( Premium 15K /A) for 4 Lacs
2. Holding Aviva i- life Term Insurance for 50 Lacs for 28 Years
3. Holding ICICI – Life stage Pension ULIP Policy for 3 years- 1.9 Lacs (Paid)Completed this year
4. ICICI – Life Time Super (ULIP) – 80 K for 3 Years (Paid)- Completed 2 years back
5. Reliance Life Insurance – Rs. 30K for three Years (Paid)Completed 2 years back
6. Other Mutual Funds – Holding 1 Lac (with Minimum Profit)
9. Going for Housing Loan for 12 Lacs – with EMI 15/m for 15 Years (would like to sell all MF and Ulip Policies for Initial Investment)
10 Holding Mediclaim Policy provided by Company – family floater for 5 Lacs from ICICI Lombard.
11. Holding Mediclaim Policy for Family from Oriental Insurance for 3 Lacs – to avail long term benefit
12. Holding shares for Rs. 5 Lacs with 40% Loss.
13. Investing 5K in Gold for my Girl who is 13 years now.
14.Getting 10K income from family Propety.
15. Family Expense 20K /month (Max)
I am 42 Years/42 K Net Income / would like to go for 15 -20 K as Investment apart from above.
I have two kids aged 13 years Girl and 6 Years Boy.
Pls advise. I am sincerely awaiting four your advise.
Anand

Avish
Avish
12 years ago

hello Manish,

I am 22 and going to start earning from the next month. I bought your book, Jagoinvestor some days before. To be very frank, I never thought of any financial planning(before reading your book of’crse). After reading only the first 2 chapters of the book, chills have gone down my spine !!
before reading these chapters, i was a pessimist, as my starting salary package is 3.2 lakhs per annum …. but boy !! your strategy makes sense…and i thank you for such a guidance…and i will definitely suggest this book to all my friends…its a must read !

Will post more, as I further read your book..

regards
Avish

Suresh K Narula
Suresh K Narula
12 years ago

You have taken illustration of those people who earn well like 50,000 pm or 1.00 lakh pm. But those people who earn between 15000 to 20000 pm as they could not save too much as their basic need expenses such as food, milk, school fees, transportation, medicines etc. dominate on their income and leaving no room for savings. So, it does not matter, how ideally % of income you should be saved. A man who earns 50,000 pm can save enough as he could enable to cut his wants expenses ,if a man who earns Rs 15000 pm has no room of cutting his expenses as his basic needs could not be sacrificed.

Renjith
Renjith
12 years ago

Hello Manish ,
I am following your articles on jagoinvestor for the past couple of months.. also went through the PDF booklet got via e-mail.. all articles are really worthy especially the article on the benefit of term insurance plan over other expensive plans. This website is for those who think MONEY MATTERS… Please continue the journey..
Regards..
Renjith

Pro Money Investor
Pro Money Investor
12 years ago

Nice article.One more point is though you do not have expenditure at the end of month many people keep that money in savings bank account just for the sake of liquidity and even may be the other reason is safety.

As it was explained many times in this blog,you need to save money and the correct way of saying the same is ,you need to invest that extra money property by investing in different parts like mutual funds and debt so that it can create a good wealth over the long term.

It is because ordinary savings will finally loose out over the long term because of inflation.

Thank you manish and nice article.

Pro Money Investor
Pro Money Investor
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
12 years ago

Waiting for that and thank you for responding.In the earlier post

http://jagoinvestor.dev.diginnovators.site/2008/08/creating-weatlh-we-are-going-to-discuss.html

you have explained about saving just 5000 and get big money after 35 years.This kind of articles surely help and give enough courage to the people to start investing in mutual funds for a long term with out bothering about short term fluctuations. Request you even compile a list of equity and debt funds and distribution of money basing on age profile,PPF investments etc.

Waiting for the article and thank you in advance.

Naveen
Naveen
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
12 years ago

Hmmm .. the other side is spending. Do people realise whether they are afford the expenses given the financial situation and liabilities? Other day I was watching The Suze Orman show on CNBC TV18 which has a section ‘Can I afford it?”. Watching the show I got reminded of Manish :)…. Perhaps, Manish can be our Suze and start a new section on JI where confused people can take your advice if they can afford it 🙂

Prithvi
Prithvi
12 years ago

In this discussion the consensus is that if EMI should be considered as saving because it’s getting invested in an asset which does not depreciate

What if the housing bubble bursts and your house property deppreciates?
What if put my savings in gold ETF and it depreciates. Then should add these as expenditures instead of saving?

What if buy a diesel car whose price goes up due to tax structure change? Should I know consider my Car EMI as saving?

prithvi
prithvi
Reply to  Jagoinvestor
12 years ago

i thought about this. the difficulty compounds when you invest in mutual funds or equities, the price might go up or down.

it’s always better to calculate your networth (@ mark to market) at the end your year.

say you earned 10L this year, and spent 5L on consumables, rent etc (no hard asset), 1 lakh on jewellery, 1 lakh is left in bank account, and 1 lakh in equity / mutual fund. and 2 lakh on housing loan emi.

your networth at the end of the year is assets (marked to market) – liabilities

which is 1 lakh on jewelly (current market rate has gone up by 20%% hence 1.2 laksh), 1 lakh in bank account, 1 lakh in equity (gone down by 50%, hence 50 thousand). and your house is worth 30 lakhs (current market rate is 35 lakhs) and your housing loan liabilities is 28.5 lakhs.

hence your total net worth is 1.25 + 1 + .5+ 35 -28.5
=8.5 lakhs

one should always look at your networth. all rich people are gauged by their networth and i don’t see why it is not applicable to all.

savings formula / % is of no use.

, and 3 Lakhs on new year without emi.

your networth will be

bemoneyaware
bemoneyaware
12 years ago

Rightly said. We often confuse Income with wealth and then wonder why the superstar of their times is in dire straits these days. I think it’s not only income but expenses, assets and liabilities that make up one’s wealth.

The four corner stones of your financial foundation are as follows:
1. Income : Is what one earns. Technically it can be defined as the money or its equivalent received during a period of time in exchange for labor or services, from the sale of goods or property, or as profit from financial investments.
2. Expenses : is what one spends. Most of us spend money on food, clothing, house, mobile, utilities, entertainment, etc. Each month we get bills for our expenses and use money from our income to pay for them. An expense or expenditure is what one pays to another person or group for an item or service. For a tenant, rent is an expense. For students or parents, tuition is an expense.

3. Assets : adds to one’s income now or in future strengthening one’s financial position ex: investments in gold/silver, deposits, stocks, mutual funds, art/antiques, land or house.

4. Liabilities:is a form of obligation or responsibility. It represents an outstanding debt, products or services that have yet to be provided. Ex: An old vehicle that needs a lot of fuel and repairs, Personal loans, Credit cards,

Building wealth is a simple matter of increasing your Builders (Income and Assets) and decreasing your Bleeders (Expenses and Liabilities) or increasing your Net Worth . This sounds simple, however, it takes a lot of discipline and effort to build wealth.

Sadly we do not allow people to drive a vehicle without taking a license test but allow them to enter complex financial world without much financial education. If you build a strong foundation your tower can reach the sky!

This is from my article Four Corner Stones:Income, Expense, Assets, Liabilities

ravindra kale
ravindra kale
12 years ago

Dear Manish,
Never thought about the ratio of saving. when net salary comes it already paid for the portion of saving in PF, Insurance premiums (of endowment plans), Gratuity, etc. Should we need to consider this.
apart from this compulsary saving home loan EMI, SIP investment are also there.
Time horizon for the various investments are different.
Should we consider only saving or investing the saving?
please guide.
Ravindra